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nodevel 2013-05-23 16:09
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Hey,
just a quick thought on the bezel size...

I tried to measure the percentage of area covered by display (on the longer side) on the Jolla device because I thought that the prototype used by Jolla to show off the UI had different dimensions than the one used for The Other Half.
It seems to be true, but measuring dimensions from a video ain't the most precise technique :)
Anyways, here's the data (longer side of the display over l.s. of the device):
Jolla (UI prototype) - ~70%
Jolla (OH prototype) - 75%
Nokia N9 - ~85%
Nokia N900 - ~69%

EDIT: So, the bezel ain't that bad when you currently own an N900 as I do ;)

herpderp 2013-05-23 16:29
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingstu (Post 1346059)
Imagine being able to load custom content at the time of purchase. Imagine being able to get tickets or songs and videos added easily. You could enter the shop and tap your phone against an in-store device and getting "freebies" transferred to your phone...
This is already possible with current NFC technology, like Samsung's ad campaign for the S3.

tissot 2013-05-23 16:42
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1346275)
Hey,
just a quick thought on the bezel size...

I tried to measure the percentage of area covered by display (on the longer side) on the Jolla device because I thought that the prototype used by Jolla to show off the UI had different dimensions than the one used for The Other Half.
It seems to be true, but measuring dimensions from a video ain't the most precise technique :)
Anyways, here's the data (longer side of the display over l.s. of the device):
Jolla (UI prototype) - ~70%
Jolla (OH prototype) - 75%
Nokia N9 - ~85%
Nokia N900 - ~69%

EDIT: So, the bezel ain't that bad when you currently own an N900 as I do ;)
The bezel is big, that's for certain, but Jolla has also done little to hide it. You don't have buttons anywhere and the phones front is totally flat.
Compare that to N9 were you have one big curved glass (that's not the real screen estate), combined with the plastic body and rim the glass is sunk to. There's nothing flat about N9's front.

http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/...o-Included.jpg

That bezel is big, but never did that enter into a discussion with N9 and I can't say I ever thought about it.

jalyst 2013-05-23 16:44
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1346067)
That wasn't a chinese app store. It was a chinese android app. It's called QQ and is something like a chinese icq (over 750million users)
No QQ is massive social_network/content/services portal, it's not just a IM app...
He explicitly says in that video, that that this "QQ app" is a gateway to QQ's Android Apps service.

Quote:
Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1346224)
Looks like android applications are just going to have buttons at the bottom. Someone also said they feature realtime multitasking?
As I understand it, AlienDalvik does also allow for "porting" to a more "native" UX, though I imagine there'd be limitations.
Yeah supposedly the Android apps will support RT multitasking...

Quote:
Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1346232)
the n950 devices had double tap to wake up and LPM on the sailfish presentation
How? N950 doesn't have a AMOLED display :confused:

qwazix 2013-05-23 16:47
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Neither does 701 but it has an lpm screen. Haven't seen an lpm on sailfish N950 though.

edit:
As you can see in the N900 wiki, it's not the backlight which drains mist battery in lcd's when on very low brightness. It's the screen refreshing at 60hz, which I believe it can be avoided withsome wizardry.

jalyst 2013-05-23 16:49
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
How does it work? (obviously quite differently to LPM on a AMOLED)

mikecomputing 2013-05-23 16:50
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1346077)
That might be the stock Nemo Mobile maps application, which is very very basic - even more than the cuuren modRana QML interface (which also already runns on Nemo a thus should also run on Sailfish). :-)
Well if thats the case. The community has big chance improve it :) Now THIS is what open source is about isn't it?

qwazix 2013-05-23 16:51
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
The screen is on, with the backlight on extra low. See my edit above.

mikecomputing 2013-05-23 16:55
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by balisingh (Post 1346110)
Good point, I guess they can license it but cant develop it further. I was counting on that.
Will it have QT/QML? Duh http://merproject.org/ Does this mean Apps will port easy from N9?
How about good HTML5 support for the lack of apps? duh http://merproject.org/
What kinda of security for protecting your personal information?
only CORE apps in harmattan that I want to see in sailfish is NokiaMaps. The rest is already there or replacable.

Good HTML5 suppport yes. Cause they use QtWebkit.

mikecomputing 2013-05-23 17:11
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaminj (Post 1346229)
I'd much prefer AMOLED LPM notifications as per N9 (increases "glanceability" if I were to go all Marko Ahtisaari).

And JollaHQ just retweeted someone asking for LPM - which is mildly promising I guess - they're still sourcing the best screen components aren't they?

I suppose an RGB LED would be a good fallback if they really couldn't source an LPM-capable screen component.
actually I do think screen and even exact CPU will depend on how many preorders they get.

Any company has to buy a certain number of components to get a chance et all.

The smaller volumes they buy, the more outdated components they will get.

I don't know much bout display but doi not expect highest/coolest display/cpu for pricetag around 400$ if Nokia, Samsung or whatever sells something for around 300$ its probadly similar HW we will get from Jolla for $400 atleast until Jolla has bigger volumes...

IF they dont choose Intel in case of CPU because I guess Intel a bit desperate get ther CPU on the markets...

mikecomputing 2013-05-23 17:15
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1346286)
The bezel is big, that's for certain, but Jolla has also done little to hide it. You don't have buttons anywhere and the phones front is totally flat.
Compare that to N9 were you have one big curved glass (that's not the real screen estate), combined with the plastic body and rim the glass is sunk to. There's nothing flat about N9's front.

http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/...o-Included.jpg

That bezel is big, but never did that enter into a discussion with N9 and I can't say I ever thought about it.
Totally right even me missed that LOL! It really shows how easy manipulated we are by "design"

jalyst 2013-05-23 17:20
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Actually going Intel might be a smart move, Silvermont's actually looking very competitive, & as you say, Intel is desperate to get more exposure...
All of the biggest players are (mostly) locking them out, tying to keep it as a ARM-only game, mainly Chinese OEM's/ODM's have readily embraced them so far.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1346296)
only CORE apps in harmattan that I want to see in sailfish is NokiaMaps. The rest is already there or replacable.
Yep, hope they've been able to negotiate something with 1 of the major players in this area.

Quote:
Good HTML5 suppport yes. Cause they use QtWebkit.
They're supposedly going to support Cordova alongside AlienDalvik, but Qt will ofc remain their central focus.

vitaminj 2013-05-23 17:22
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1346295)
The screen is on, with the backlight on extra low.
Oh yes, good spot. The new Asha 501 pulls this trick without AMOLED too.
I hope Nokia haven't done any cheeky patenting. Why doesn't any other manufacturer do it? Or do they?

mrsellout 2013-05-23 17:24
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I don't think I've seen this hands on video with Chief Designer Martin Schule on TMO so here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxv7iXwIgno

Morpog 2013-05-23 17:42
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
you really should check 2nd post....

jalyst 2013-05-23 18:16
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Thanks for doing a great job aggregating all that info. by the way, it is appreciated.

flotron 2013-05-23 19:14
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I think that LPM display is patented by nokia. Its strange that other companies doesn't add this function to their phones

kumary 2013-05-23 19:26
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
has anyone used Nokia E63, E71 and E72. I guess they all had LPM though it was different. :)

flotron 2013-05-23 20:12
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kumary (Post 1346339)
has anyone used Nokia E63, E71 and E72. I guess they all had LPM though it was different. :)
Are you talking about this?

Artyom 2013-05-23 20:14
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kumary (Post 1346339)
has anyone used Nokia E63, E71 and E72. I guess they all had LPM though it was different. :)
actually they didn't have that ability. those devices showed the clock without the light of the lcd. you had to long press the center key in order to wake the clock screen up. in the s60v3 devices, i have only seen the lpm screen at n85 and n86 which had amoled displays.

Quote:
Originally Posted by flotron (Post 1346345)
Are you talking about this?
yes probably he is.

Morpog 2013-05-23 20:18
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
New articles added today to 2nd post:

Nokia N9 and Jolla Phone with Other Half: Comparison, Similarities and Advantages over Nokia N9

Post #JollaLoveDay Critique: Sailfish OS

Ex-Nokia team creates two-part 'Jolla' mobile phone

Jolla Sailfish OS Flagship Device Makes First Appearance

Is Jolla Something to Holla About? - Breaking Analysis

Morpog 2013-05-23 21:18
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I made a size comparision between Nokia "N9" bezel and Jolla "The Jolla" bezel.

http://abload.de/img/bezel2r6std.png

Edit: added side bezel comparision

Artyom 2013-05-23 21:39
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1346362)
I made a size comparision between Nokia "N9" bezel and Jolla "The Jolla" bezel.

http://abload.de/img/bezel2r6std.png

Edit: addes side bezel comparision
great determination Morpog.

Morpog 2013-05-23 21:53
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Another detailed article added to 2nd post:


Jolla Sailfish OS smartphone

qwazix 2013-05-23 22:06
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
N9 has a small bezel: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Nok...ones/5257,7536

and http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Nok...ones/7378,4990

Leinad 2013-05-23 22:18
I'm really sick of reading the word "bezel"... when the OS is as good and open and the OH-concept really as good as we all hope/expect, well then fcuk the bezel!

Morpog 2013-05-23 22:30
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Judging from the pretty high resolution pictures from Trusted Reviews (added to 3rd post), I would say the currently used display has a qHD (960×540) resolution.

I checked how much space one pixel uses in the pictures and counted that up to the pixels used for display width. The result was 555,3. Not that far away from 540 and the angle wasn't 100% correct. I'm pretty sure it's qHD at the moment.

tissot 2013-05-23 22:38
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1346387)
Judging from the pretty high resolution pictures from Trusted Reviews (added to 3rd post), I would say the currently used display has a qHD (960×540) resolution.

I checked how much space one pixel uses in the pictures and counted that up to the pixels used for display width. The result was 555,3. Not that far away from 540 and the angle wasn't 100% correct. I'm pretty sure it's qHD at the moment.
Screen being 4.5" I do hope it will end up being WXGA.

eerde 2013-05-23 22:42
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1346387)
Judging from the pretty high resolution pictures from Trusted Reviews (added to 3rd post), I would say the currently used display has a qHD (960×540) resolution.

I checked how much space one pixel uses in the pictures and counted that up to the pixels used for display width. The result was 555,3. Not that far away from 540 and the angle wasn't 100% correct. I'm pretty sure it's qHD at the moment.
I think it will be 1280 x 960 and 4.5"and 12million+ colours and bright and a good angle of view and readable in sunlight and thin and with curved gorilla glass, that is what I think, hope, conclude.... speculate ;)

Kozzi 2013-05-23 23:21
With screen turned off the front of Jolla looks quite similar to 925 and with both having same screen size, perhaps we could estimate the physical dimensions. I hope that the screen is about 720p, more than that is just a waste and a gpu with enough muscle to decode h264 videos with all those popular profiles.

zwer 2013-05-24 00:12
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1346308)
Actually going Intel might be a smart move, Silvermont's actually looking very competitive, & as you say, Intel is desperate to get more exposure...
Given that Intel is pretty deep with Samsung re Tizen, I don't think that's realistic...

shmerl 2013-05-24 01:29
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/...6/P5200393.jpg

This looks like microUSB-B to me. They'd better make it micro-A, to allow easy usage of host mode. Otherwise one will have to get non standard cables again...

shmerl 2013-05-24 01:31
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zwer (Post 1346400)
Given that Intel is pretty deep with Samsung re Tizen, I don't think that's realistic...
Why? Intel is not losing anything - they should be interested in wider adoption of their chips.

jalyst 2013-05-24 05:43
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zwer (Post 1346400)
Given that Intel is pretty deep with Samsung re Tizen, I don't think that's realistic...
Yeah, I had considered that, but Intel has moved increasingly further away from the project over the last yr or so.
They're not really "in deep" to anywhere near the extent that Samsung is...

jalyst 2013-05-24 06:37
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1346380)
"Visually" it does, & casting visual tricks aside, it was competitive in that respect compared to other makes/models of it's time.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1346388)
Screen being 4.5" I do hope it will end up being WXGA.
Or at the very least 720p, if it turns out to be qHD I'll be a very sad Panda... :(
If it was on shelves NOW at qHD I could deal with that, but Dec+ at qHD is quite sad.
If they they can only afford qHD then FFS raise the price, I'd happily pay more for slightly improved core specs.

They already confirmed that their display will be 720p didn't they? I'm sure I read or watched that somewhere.
Still, it's pretty clear that the display & SoC isn't yet fully settled, so there's no point analysing the display(s) currently being used.

Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1346405)
This looks like microUSB-B to me. They'd better make it micro-A, to allow easy usage of host mode. Otherwise one will have to get non standard cables again...
Sigh, cutting corners everywhere, FFS just make it pricier & don't skimp so much :rolleyes:

szopin 2013-05-24 07:25
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1346448)
Or at the very least 720p, if it turns out to be qHD I'll be a very sad Panda... :(
If it was on shelves NOW at qHD I could deal with that, but Dec+ at qHD is quite sad.
If they they can only afford qHD then FFS raise the price, I'd happily pay more for slightly improved core specs.

They already confirmed that their display will be 720p didn't they? I'm sure I read or watched that somewhere.
In one of the interviews Marc just said it will be some kind of HD (if quarter HD counts as HD :( Dammit, just checked there is also nHD 'kind of HD' :eek:)

Artyom 2013-05-24 07:59
Since this device is a prototype its normal for it to have different specs than the final product. For 400 euros, im sure that they will put satisfying specs on the final product.

Leinad 2013-05-24 08:11
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1346454)
In one of the interviews Marc just said it will be some kind of HD (if quarter HD counts as HD :( Dammit, just checked there is also nHD 'kind of HD' :eek:)
qHD (quarter of FHD) and nHD (ninth of FHD) are no 'kind of HD', they are fractions of HD.

This would be like saying 25 cents are 'kind of a dollar'.

ggabriel 2013-05-24 09:39
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I'll just say that -among other things- the "other half" idea is quite cool, similar (if not pretty much the same) as the M$'s Surface's feature of interchangeable covers for the tablet that can do different things, except that on a phone it is way more useful.

I quite liked M$'s idea back then, I like it even better on a phone that will run an OS that I like.

Now, patience....

jalyst 2013-05-24 14:13
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Apologies in advance if this is already in 1st few posts.

Chief designer confirms final bezel will be smaller:
http://jollatides.com/2013/05/24/chi...ll-be-smaller/
Quite a bit more articles/coverage @JollaTides lately actually.

Pretty interesting read too...
http://nokiagadgets.com/2013/05/22/c...ties-in-china/
Coverage at XDA-dev, albeit quite superficial & brief:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYL-3gg1cGw


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