Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Chief Designer confirms Final Bezel Will Be Smaller: http://jollatides.com/2013/05/24/chi...ll-be-smaller/

Case closed :)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Nice to see all those links bout sailfish. DO NOT forget to spread every damn link on your non geek communitys too like facebook or whatever socialmedia you use.. Atleast if you beleive in Jolla ;)

Don't forget Jolla needs us. and for me, atleast, there is no alternatives. So if Jolla success its good for the FOSS and especially merproject.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

with all the µUSB(2) chargers out there, and this being pretty much the industry standard, i think a "special" set up only for OTG does make little to no sense.
further more, with a USB-A female to USB-A female adapter
at the end of your standard µUSB(2) to USB-A (f) cable, OTG works perfectly
bought it & used it w/ MohammadAG's package for Fremantle.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Yes, this will be most likely a micro USB-B connector complying to the "European Union's specification of a common External Power Supply (EPS)".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_...l_Power_Supply

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

@Naughty

Thanks for the comparison.
To be honest I wished they would revise the design.

I'm not asking for much, but they probably would lead to drastic changes.

#1 - No front buttons, only screen buttons (Back and Menu) and gestures (Navigation)

#2 - Eliminate side swiping. Its difficult and not natural, sorry UbuntuPhone/N9 fans

#3 - Swipe Down to open the Notifications shade

#4 - Swipe Up to open the Active Apps shade (swipe them away to close them, hit the X to close all, hit the Gear icon to go to the Memory Settings page)

#5 - To go the Home Screen, Swipe Up again from Active Apps shade.
Or Swipe Down again from the Notifications shade.
Or, in the initial Swipe Up/Down... swipe all/most of the way from the top to the bottom of the screen.
Or, in the initial Swipe, counter-currently swipe up and down at the same time (pinch in)

...this leaves plenty of gestures to use inside and on the sides of the screen. Your fruit ninja would be thankful.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I would like to have an active backcover, like if you double tap on backside and the browser opens

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Wouldn't that mean a touch sensor on the back like the Motorola Backflip?

More money wasted by Jolla, which function likely won't appeal to half of the buyers

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

The proper port, USB MicroAB, is compatibly with all the MicroB chargers out there. What's a violation of the industry standard is using MicroB only for USB Host and any such stupid adaptor.

But, as usual, I suppose they do this because they do not plan to certify the device for USB Host (again).

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

whats that tiny led like thing in the image :eek: :eek: :eek:

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to be honest?
how about µUSB3?
i know most of the speed loss on mobiles when connected via USB comes from the (lack of) speed of the internal storage / µSD


a µUSB2 plugs without problem into a µUSB3 connector
for once, whatever consortium behind all this USB mess did some decent job...

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

This huge connector doesn't look like any decent job to me.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

welcome to the future (of USB)...


want speed? well, that's what's needed
unless you want some eSATAp connector, of course



:eek::rolleyes:

didn't think so...

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I don't believe they couldn't do speed without more pins, oe atleast without making the connector bigger. Why didn't the A connector grow too? And why wasn't the big b connector killed with fire? Want robustness? Put a removable plastic plug around the socket, don't make two incompatible sockets.

I'd go for microA-B everywhere even on pc's and get over with this mess

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

have a couple USB3 external discs (w/ µ connector :D) as well as a eSATAp disc
since i discovered that in a squeeze i can use the USB2 cables i usually carry around for the NOKIAs to connect the USB discs i'm more then happy with "the brave new world" of USB :cool: :D :rolleyes:
even though the performances of USB devices are always heavily dependant on driver & knows what aspects (one of my discs barely makes USB2 speeds in openSUSE but works superfast on other OSes (CentOS or windooooz))
go figure :confused: :(

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

USB3? Were talking about a phone not a full Linux laptop or similar.

Seriously have people checked if mobile SoC has support for USB3? I doubt the SoC used by Jolla has it.

Just one example if its intel SoC:

http://ark.intel.com/products/70100/...Cache-2_00-GHz

USB2.0 And thats one of the newest one from Intel.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

we hardly know anything about the Jolla device, leave alone the SoC's specs
even though nobody picked it up yet, µUSB3 being designed & available the adoption on a (forward looking) mobile device is only a matter of time.
most likely, by the end of the year there'll be a Samsung G with USB3 capability
Samsung's New Exynos Mobile Chip: USB 3.0 and 1080p Video at 60fps
it's up to Jolla, really...

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LOL! You really don't understand how bussines work if you beleive Jolla get access to latest HW.

Tell me a SoC that has USB3 now.

Jolla is not Samsung. They can't get access to latest hardware. What Samsung deliver in a half year is totally irrelevant in perspective to a small company like Jolla.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

How many SoCs with 2cores are out there?
Tegra 2
Snapdragon S4 (Pro)
Exonys Dual 4212 or 4210
ST-E's U8500
... ?
Which one could be the strongest candidate for Jolla's soc

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They can, but they'd have to charge substantially more than the major players, & then market cleverly to convince buyers why they should pay substantially more for hw that's competitive with the latest top-end handsets. Finally they must throw in a "Other Half" implementation that's not a gimmick, then they'll have attained geek nirvana & have something that has a chance at becoming popular in the mainstream too. But, they're clearly not going this way... I'd be prepared to pay 25% more than the best top-end handsets on the market to ensure I have hw that's competitive with them, but I doubt most other potential customers would, sadly.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

25% more than a HTC One would mean firmly into 1000eur territory. Which even if I could afford it, I think that I wouldn't dare carry a 1K phone with me all day.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

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Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

but considering, as qwazix pointed out, the price this is going to be versus their need to at least offer a "casual user" acceptable device (feature and price wise), we'll end up with a µUSB2 port for the 1st Jolla device.

pity, the (µ-)USB3 port has notably faster charging ability :rolleyes:
would have been handy in conjunction with the supersized battery of the other half :D
but hey, maybe an other half w/ USB3?
the sky is the limit, right?

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True, at that point I'd hope there's a telco happy to subsidise a bit, else I'd have to put away some extra $ "just" for my next ph(s), but "if push came to shove", I'd lay out the cash.
Especially if all the hw is competitive, the sw remains compelling, the design/aesthetics/bq is decent, & the "Other Half" is more than a gimmick.
I appreciate though that I'm probably very much in the minority, sadly...

I hope it is STE UE8500, this one has 22nm made cores and a gpu powerful enough for casual gaming and even high/custom profile 1080p h264 playback.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Interesting that there's only one smartphone SoC on STE's site nowadays:
http://www.stericsson.com/products/s...-platforms.jsp
There used to be 2/3 others, & at least one which was more heavily specc'd (& clearly indicated as their "top-end" SoC) than the U8500*.
I guess since all their problems they've streamlined & kept only one that they'll focus on selling.
It could be a good indicator that Jolla's locked them in as their SoC provider, or maybe not.

*even more so than the A9500 listed in their new "application processors" category

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Yes, you are not asking for much, you are asking for an Android phone... so, go and buy another one.

Sorry, but for N9 users, the Android UI is a mess.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Vivaldi tablet and Jolla new smartphone is great combination :D

https://plus.google.com/107555540696...ts/Lp6T16VRavM

merproject is growing :cool: :D

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NovaThor

"On December 10, 2012, ST-Ericsson announced that STMicroelectronics will leave the joint venture after a transition period making Ericsson the full owner of the Company.[5]

On December 20, 2012, Ericsson announced that they will not buy the remaining 50% stake that STMicroelectronics held. The future for the company therefore remains uncertain.[6"

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

To help promote Jolla smartphone in Brazil, here is my blog article (in brazilian portuguese) updated with more comments and links. Google translated to english.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

How so?

Android requires three buttons Back, Menu, Home.
I want these inside the Apps like iOS.
Android has no gestures, I want some gestures.

I just don't want the Side-Screen gesture. There's very little space there so it is difficult (or unnatural). On top of this, that bezel is a waste of palm and pocket space, so it needs to be trimmed -meaning even more difficult to perform the gesture.

I want the user interface, but with modifications.
And not a complete overhaul, just something to better the experience and not simply change for the sake of change. I don't want "Unlike"... I want to "Like" the user interface.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Sure, I have such cable, but it's not standard, i.e. it's a hack (it doesn't comply to USB standards). Of course if Jolla decides to use mircoB, they can play nice and ship such cable together with the handset from the start.

Yeah, that's my point. Using microB with such adapter/cable for host mode is a non standard hack. But what does USB host mode certification imply? That Jolla has to pay money to some standards holding cartel?

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Yes I know, hence why I mentioned their "recent problems".
But good idea to post it again here for those that weren't already aware.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Yes. But if there's a USB logo on the box you are already paying the "cartel". (Or should be, at least).

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It looks a lot like android, despite the 1-button difference.
Sailfish has the pulley menu, much better than buttons, especially for large devices, it has back and it has a button, inside the app, you may use it instead of the gesture if you so like.

Which ones? All the gestures you described are done from inside the screen, no need for edge swipes, thus Android.

I take it you've never used the N9? Because it's so natural, that I end up doing it on every other phone. Even chrome has the side swipe gesture, which I admit is difficult to perform on a Note, but that's becase the implementation is half-assed. I've never lost a side swipe on the N950 despite it having a smaller bezel than the note and flat screen.


What you are asking is indeed a complete overhaul.


Blackberry did exactly what you are asking for, only up/down swipes, but this is more unnatural than N9's edge swipes as you swipe up-then-left to drag thigs left/right which is confusing. I understand that they did this because only the upward swipe wasn't enough, and the downward swipe was used for the notifications.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

So you are asking for iPhone...it have multi-tasking fancy gesture too.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

from this post by Fawz found this video where Marc Dillon answers a few questions

• due to the swiping being used from all four side the only way to close an app is to hold an app long in the App view & use the (X) that shows up after a few seconds :(
  draw back compared to MeeGo's swype down i'd say
• landscape mode is not supported by default, but maybe they'll build in some auto-rotate possibility for applications
  which is in line with the default N9 behavior
  otherwise, the landscape QWERTY hardware keyboard won't make much sense, now, would it?

it's going to be a long year... :confused:

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

No I am confused because people get confused about stuff that no one has said exists.

Jolla has NOT said there is hwkbd!
Jolla has NOT said there is USB3.0
Jolla has NOT promised PureView Camera
Jolla has NOT promised peace in world when phone get released.


Got damn stop have to much expectation from small company like Jolla.

About swipe down to close the reason this is not possible is probadly pullymenu. But I agree thats kind of an drawback.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

They are using swipe down for closing an app...

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1080p playback? That only makes sense if the screen is 1080p, which I doubt as it'd be too small anyway, _or_ you have another half that has HDMI [or equivalent] output and you can use your phone as a proper media player. For the latter, however, it stands to question how many people would actually do that, and whether that is Jolla's original target audience.

Also, most HW that can do more and faster can also drain your battery faster. I'd personally want a phone that lasts at least as much as the N9 does battery-wise, which isn't that great, but a lot better than pretty much anything else out there according to what I've seen and played with.

You mention games as well, tha'ts a good point, I'd still try to optimise HW for the screen resolution. Assume that's 720p, you probably don't want a GPU that powerful, or at least one that is cheap and can scale down gracefully. It is pretty obvious that most people like playing games, but not entirely sure that they want to have a console-like (or beefy PC like) gaming experience.

These are my opinions anyway ;-)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

where does that "drawing" come from?
the video where Marc Dillon answers a few questions is somewhat older, but even during / shortly after "love day" plenty of time closing app was shown as pressing on the "app view" (any app?) for some time & then hit (X); on top of the screen appears a (Close all) button.
think it would be faster to close one app by pressing on it & swype down then this "holding for a few seconds" & press (X), no?