maemo.org - Talk - #JollaLoveDay - 20th May

In addition to what qwazix says, you can easly confirm this with the SDK. If you start the swipe from within the screen (aka "pull"), you get the pulley menu. If you start the swipe from above the screen (aka "push", hard enough to do with the SDK but possible nonetheless), you go back to the list of apps.

I've just confirmed it.

MartinK

2013-05-26 14:08

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

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Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1346952)

1080p playback? That only makes sense if the screen is 1080p

The usual issue is having 1080p videos laying around and wanting to play them on your mobile device. Transcoding them to lower resolution might not be trivial and even quite time demanding if you are transcoding to 720p, not to some lower resolution. Also stuf like metadata, embedded subtitle tracks or additional audio tracks might get lost during that. It is just not very convenient and most of the generic Chinese phones/tablets do that just fine due to mainstream SOCs supporting that in hardware.

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Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1346952)

which I doubt as it'd be too small anyway, _or_ you have another half that has HDMI [or equivalent] output and you can use your phone as a proper media player.

Yeah, thats another possible use.

Morpog

2013-05-26 14:10

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Closing apps by pushing down is not included in sdk.

See the release notes known issues:
https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Known_Issues

ggabriel

2013-05-26 14:24

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Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1346963)

Closing apps by pushing down is not included in sdk.

You are correct, even though the release notes don't say that, but the pages do include: "A push from the top closes the app".

So, same as N9 then.

Morpog

2013-05-26 14:50

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Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1346964)

You are correct, even though the release notes don't say that, but the pages do include: "A push from the top closes the app".

The release notes say it:

Quote:

The gesture plugin is outdated; Push down does not terminate applications; other gestures are not available on the Emulator.

shmerl

2013-05-26 16:00

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They also say that:

Quote:

Landscape mode is not yet implemented.

Note the "yet".

Kozzi

2013-05-26 17:30

To ggabriel, I got to try nexus 7 few times and the capability of it being able to playback all of my x264 movies on SMB drive streamed over is simply amazing, I want my next phone to be able to do that. About reencoding for proper playback, no I don't want to reencode all my videos to suite smaller screen in case I suddenly want to watch them.

kingstu

2013-05-26 19:09

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Has anyone thought about the difference between the Jolla Ltd Edition and a regular Jolla? Could it be different hardware? They say it could work with both AMOLED and LCD could the limited edition be AMOLED? They say it could work with different hardware? Could the limited edition be a small run of the ST-Erricson which is probably available sooner than there new sourced parts? I can see how easy a special edition Other Half is to create but what is the Limited Edition Jolla?

Morpog

2013-05-26 21:11

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http://abload.de/img/iamthefirstonevduxl.png

ggabriel

2013-05-27 12:59

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Originally Posted by Kozzi (Post 1347000)

Thanks for explaining, and fair enough... I've got a similar set up at home but I can't think why I'd use my phone instead of my home theatre.
We are talking, however, about relatively advanced stuff... I am not sure this use case applies to most people.

I do agree with you that it'd be a nice to have, on the understanding that I won't be sacrificing 25-40% of my battery life to have that option.

sillieidiot

2013-05-27 18:32

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i hope the music player will support flac and gapless would be nice too.

youmeego

2013-05-28 03:44

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will there be a bluetooth tethering?

Dave999

2013-05-28 04:10

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So this is a no landscape at release?

Morpog

2013-05-28 04:53

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They said they will support landscape in places where it makes sense. For example the media gallery.

Dave999

2013-05-28 05:06

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Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1347309)

They said they will support landscape in places where it makes sense. For example the media gallery.

? Make sence... For me it make sence everywhere. But most important for me is the browser. Must be landscape since it's much better to read.

ggabriel

2013-05-28 10:49

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1347311)

? Make sence... For me it make sence everywhere. But most important for me is the browser. Must be landscape since it's much better to read.

I'd say it'd be nice to lock it or unlock it at will. First of all, the apps have to support a seamless landscape/portrait mode, and secondly I'd like a setting to lock an app (or the phone temporarily) on something.

Example of an app that can't be in landscape mode: [pick your airline] app - boarding pass has to be locked in portrait, else nobody will ever succeed to scan it. They have trouble now with my work iPhone, which is locked in portrait, let alone if the screen keeps changing from landscape to portrait and viceversa.

Example of an app that I'd like to lock into landscape mode: Nokia Maps when I'm using it as a GPS on the bicycle. Hit a speed bump, unevenness on the road, whatever, it's likely that the map will switch from landscape to portrait, sometimes staying in the latter, which is annoying.

Kriek

2013-05-28 11:40

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Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1347309)

They said they will support landscape in places where it makes sense. For example the media gallery.

Errrm... I use my N900 almost exclusively in landscape mode. :eek:

So for me, landscape makes sense in all instances as well.

OVK	2013-05-28 11:58

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Landscape mode makes sense for me in any place where I type text.

aironeous

2013-05-28 12:57

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2 things I hate about the N9, well actually 4.
1) The only flash capable browser is very slow. It is extremely annoying.
2) When I click on a facebook newsfeed item the little uninformative facebook thing comes up which says exactly the same brief thing I just read and then when I click on that link and I'm in landscape the status bar is stuck in portrait because the fb app is landscape only so I can't peek
3) The screen is too small for typing and swype, I'm constantly hitting wrong keys.
4) Takes way too long to rotate. If you can fix that with sailfish I'm sold.

mikecomputing

2013-05-28 19:57

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Linux action show talks about Jolla in News section (around 21 minutes forward)

http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/3...is-las-s27e02/

zlatokosi

2013-05-28 20:24

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Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1346982)

They also say that:

Note the "yet".

I hope it's not the n900 yet...

juiceme

2013-05-28 20:55

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Originally Posted by aironeous (Post 1347412)

I dont care about these, I don't use flash, dont use facebook, dont use swype.

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Originally Posted by aironeous (Post 1347412)

4) Takes way too long to rotate. If you can fix that with sailfish I'm sold.

This is real, it is just about the only annoying thing about N9.
I wonder what makes it so slow (and unreliable!) to detect position change...

jflatt

2013-05-28 21:10

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Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1347559)

I wonder what makes it so slow (and unreliable!) to detect position change...

Maybe the accelerometer frequency is tuned down to save battery life?

soryuuha

2013-05-29 05:09

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Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1347559)

This is real, it is just about the only annoying thing about N9.
I wonder what makes it so slow (and unreliable!) to detect position change...

its true too, on android (2011) device

qwazix

2013-05-29 07:48

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The feeling of slow rotation is augmented by the too many unneeded rotations. Swipe away from the browser: rotate. Go to another browser window: rotate. All apps must update layout each time.

The choice of rotation being in-app instead of in window manager was wrong.

flotron

2013-05-29 16:01

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LPM Display = Glance in windows phone

http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsim...marena_002.jpg
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_...view-928p2.php

Dave999

2013-05-29 17:41

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I really looking for a video of sailfish browser since I'm a heavy browserer. Anyone have snapshot or video link?

flotron

2013-05-29 18:48

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1347802)

I really looking for a video of sailfish browser since I'm a heavy browserer. Anyone have snapshot or video link?

Here is a quick view

http://youtu.be/yuhY0VG7Wh0?t=1m6s

The Wizard of Huz

2013-05-29 19:17

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Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1347659)

I agree. Why is it not possible to lock the rotation per app? Or did I miss something?

mikecomputing

2013-05-29 21:41

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Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1347659)

It depends... Some apps is just not logical in landscape and vise versa. So if WM managed it should atleast have a WMproperty so app can set to not rotate.

Anyone knows how this is implemented in new WM?

(if I remember correct they use lipstick like nemo?)

marxian

2013-05-29 23:11

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Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1347659)

The slow rotation is due to the animation (which has a duration of 800ms). If you use a simple item as the root object, the rotation is almost instantaneous, e.g:

Code:

import QtQuick 1.1

import com.nokia.meego 1.0



Item {

    id: appWindow



    width: screen.displayWidth

    height: screen.displayHeight



    Label {

        id: label



        anchors.centerIn: parent

        text: "In landscape"

        font.bold: true

        font.pixelSize: 40

        color: "white"

    }



    states: State {

        name: "portrait"

        when: screen.currentOrientation === Screen.Portrait

        PropertyChanges { target: label; text: "In portrait"; rotation: 270 }

    }

}

In action: http://youtu.be/E7tzmo_5bR0

MartinK

2013-05-29 23:48

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Originally Posted by The Wizard of Huz (Post 1347834)

I agree. Why is it not possible to lock the rotation per app? Or did I miss something?

Applications on Harmattan can easily lock their rotatation any many applications support that. But there is no global rotation lock, which might be an issue. For example, at least Android & webOS have a global rotation lock. It could be quite handy when for example having the device positioned on a flat surface (where it might get false triggers for rotation), operating it in inclined body orientation (AKA laying on side) or as mentioned - in a moving vehicle.

Hariainm

2013-05-30 00:20

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Ok, so let me go back on topic: If I am understanding correctly, with your 100€ pre-order, you get:

- A standard and in no way different to the others Jolla phone (you just get it first than the others)
- A t-shirt.
- That box with all those coloured covers.

Am I right?

Morpog

2013-05-30 00:31

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I did understand it this way:

A limited edition Jolla (whatever that is)
A T-shirt
A 100€ voucher
An exclusive other half

RX-51

2013-05-30 12:47

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The solution for all our HDWKB needs :D

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...our-smartphone

/guess the obvious irony tag was missing

Dave999

2013-05-30 13:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RX-51 (Post 1348042)

The solution for all our HDWKB needs :D

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...our-smartphone

Why do we need a keyboard like that? It covers the screen and are not better then a on screen keyboard. :eek: Stupidest idea ever ;)

Hariainm

2013-05-30 20:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1347914)

I did understand it this way:

A limited edition Jolla (whatever that is)
A T-shirt
A 100€ voucher
An exclusive other half

Yeah, yeah, as seen in their web page. But keeping the marketing away, all this "Other Half" stuff, what does it mean? Something it has to do with the back of the phone, sure. The covers. Do you really expect Jolla to surprise us, pre-order guys, with some "exclusive" other half, like a hwkb or a gamepad? No, and me neither. What would it be: coloured covers. That box. Or not even that. Just one different colour.

And the "super special limited edition" jolla phone... The phone with a limited edition serial number? I bet is nothing special

And I'm sorry to say that. As I said before, I really want to believe, to be eager for the waiting, and I read a lot of information about jolla and the phone, but... To the moment, they failed at selling it to me.

PD: And sorry for all the rant, but my hopes with the company are slowly fading away as I see the zero professionality, the poorly managed presentations, the lack of proper and useful information... I don't like the "Peter Molyneux" way of selling a product they have choosen.

kingstu

2013-05-30 20:21

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Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1348120)

And the "super special limited edition" jolla phone... The phone with a limited edition serial number? I bet is nothing special

And I'm sorry to say that. As I said before, I really want to believe, to be eager for the waiting, and I read a lot of information about jolla and the phone, but... To the moment, they failed at selling it to me.

If you don't feel confident putting down 100euro for your preorder and you only have interest, select the free option. They are not forcing anyone to choose the limited edit and special back cover. It could be something spectacular? It could be something mundane. I wish I had the opportunity but I live in the USA and we can't choose that option.

mikecomputing

2013-05-30 20:22

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Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1348120)

If people is expecting limited edition is HWKBD they'r plain stupid *****s.

Its probadly "special designed" backcase or something like that.

100EUR lower price for us who preorder thats good enought for me. Also I do it because I support them. I personally KNOW how hard it is for upstart companys to get it going. But I like the idea with Jolla and hope they can success even if they only will be little player on the market.

And about "proffesional skills" for got sake don't compare a little company with bosses like Bill Gates, Ballmer or Steve Jobs or even Mr Flop.

Atleast Jolla has a vision! Compared to Nokia who has sold theyr soul to Microsoft :(

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