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Chinese article about SailfishOS with new video and pictures.
Google translated link: http://translate.google.de/translate...Fview%2F182306


SailfishOS on a Nexus 7 tablet :)

http://www.geekpark.net/uploads/read...27f101f4d8.jpg

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seems that the supported Android apps are limited to 2.3 (given that the translation is ok). Not sure if they plan to do more but at the end of 2013, it will appear dinosaur ages...

extracted from the article:

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well, Jolla obviously will have the complete specs and even though they announced any 3rd party can create a other half, they are likely to create some themselves, no?

this being said...
got a SGT2 (7") a few days ago as a "promotional gift" for a cable upgrade
it runs Jelly Bean 4.1.1 and it didn't take me long to discover a number of apps that i won't bother looking for leave alone develop for N9(00) or even Sailfish.
however, i only got a tablet without GSM MoDem :confused: :mad:
also found a number of apps that give one a full cli (e.g. Terminal IDE (including mc :D)) and a very nice sw keyboard
however, a hw kbd is better as you lose @ least 40% of the screen to the @#$%& vkbd :mad:

thus, went on looking for an Android 4 device with hw kbd... :eek:
in the states there are few but even so, they don't seem to be high prio (most are only ICS, JB barely available if at all...)
on the other side of the pound, well, there is a couple oldies (Gingerbread) devs :confused:

so, long story short...

• how is it that with the dozens of millions Android devices sold ww, hardly anyone is interested in manufacturing respectively selling devices with hw kbd?
• if multi-billion companies (S, LG, Sony...) barely can be bothered, how / why should a little start up ???

still have to check whether the BT connection between the SGT & the Logitech diNovo i got some time ago for the N9 will work better :eek: :confused:
as the dev doesn't have GSM, portability isn't really an issue :(

and ultimately hoping Jolla will come up w/ a hw kbd other half & alien dalvik will support the apps...

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Sigh, I really do hope that's wrong, for Jolla's sake....
BB 10.2 beta recently added support for ICS, or maybe it was JB IIRC...
I hope HTML5 (via Cordova) support is decent too, & that the Store is innovate/creative in how ties multiple sources together.

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They are using Myriad's Alien Dalvik platform. The limitations propably come from that. Unfortunately the Myriad homepage does not really give any info about what versions of Android are supported.

http://www.myriadgroup.com/device-so...%20dalvik.aspx


EDIT:

https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/337205895337476096

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I linked to a much more detailed info sheet about AD in this thread IIRC, it was at least 1mth ago now.
But IIRC it didn't mention anything about what versions of Android it supports...

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from Myriad Group - Myriad Alien Dalvik

• Alien App Ecosystem - a fully managed service providing access to a customisable application store environment, comprising of the latest Android applications. Developer resource including documentation & tools and application management including the sourcing of apps.

of course it's only marketing talk, but seems difficult to interpret differently then supporting ICS / JB apps, no?

on the other hand, AD 2 seems to be "cloud" based, thus requiring an Internet connection...
there is a run-time possibly for local use only, but question is whether Android 4.x support isn't limited to the "cloud" version :eek: :confused:

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Hmm, the site seems revamped since I last checked it out, Jesus I hope it isn't cloud based... >.>

*EDIT*
I thought the cloud-based stuff was purely for "porting" efforts? Nothing to do with the actual run time etc.

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If it's cloud based one can assume it will work on all platforms.

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"Deployment - cloud and embedded options are available to customers regarding the deployment of Myriad Alien Dalvik. Alien Embedded comprises Alien running on devices alongside and fully integrated with the native OS & apps. Alien Cloud features Alien running on a server connected to a thin client."

Very much doubt that Jolla would opt for the cloud based version.

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If people buys Jollaphone mainly because it has Android support those people are biggest idiots.

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HTML5 should not be a problem. Let I remind you that they use QtWebKit means its QT community with Digia who makes that happen.

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Browser is using Gecko, not Webkit.

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There is something else I'd like to know about yet about the " social networking integration". Will those be seperate programs I can chose to deinstall or will FB, Twitter, etc. be a firm part of the OS already?

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Haven't you watched the videos? It's tight integrated (contacts / feeds / messages, even store). I doubt you can remove that.

Just don't use it.

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Were do you get that from? Dont say the browser is firefox for **** sake then I get pissed.

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From Marc Dillon himself and from Jolla employes on IRC. A Jolla employe said it in that DNA hangout.
It's based on IPCLite API (embedlite). Just like QmlMozBrowser or MeeFox. But they do of course their own UI. So yes, it's kinda a Firefox like MicroB on N900 was kinda a Firefox.

Why are you pissed? I'm glad it's Gecko.

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Thanks for the reply! Yes, I've watched all the videos and was still hoping for a "core os" where everything needed/or not could be removed/add by the user, true linux style.

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gecko is great but it won't properly open krappy built sites like touch facebook which is handy for a facebook user like me. :(
hope the fb client is better than the one on n9.

maybe some could be removed. they claim it's the most open mobile os so...

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Gecko is ok, I thougt u meant somemthirdparty made app like firefox mobile, the bloated firefox mobilUIapp is just a joke and non user friendly paece of ****. Anyway we have QtWebkit2 to from because I take from granted thats lib is in the core system.

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They shouldn't add flash at all in my opinion.

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it's not like they could get (official)flash even if they wanted. Adobe has stopped mobile flash development completely.
How good/bad are the opensource flash players nowadays? And are they even optimized for arm?

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it looks like BB has something to say about how good move android compatibility is http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-575...ers-hate-them/

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I fully agree on this. If somebody wants to run android applications, let them get an androd device to run the software on. Cheapest android phones&tablets start from $50.
The merits of Jolla are elsewhere, android compability is just a nice add-on.

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Maybe it's a bit like the N9? Some integrations come as part of the core package, some others (lke gtalk video) you download as an app, and you can uninstall them as well. That would make more sense, wouldn't it?

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How many times do we have to say it? Flash is not supported by Adobe on mobile platforms anymore. GET OVER IT. It must DIE!

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Marketing time:

"Pick a badge and tell the world what Jolla is to you. No pressure. Show your interest also through free pre-booking. http://jolla.com/share"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoDC2...ature=youtu.be

http://www.jolla.com/share

and for those making apps:

https://sailfishos.org/presentations...3_jpetrell.pdf

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Comments by Sfietkonstantin about that slides: http://sfietkonstantin.wordpress.com...s-on-jolla-ui/

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QT5 YEEEEEEEEEEEEHA finally :D :D :D

GO JOLLA!!!

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I don't know Qt but from what I've seen so far I'm not impressed and a bit confused. I can't really see the upside with it?

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ALOT of news in Qt5. Also BB10 and Ubuntu using Qt5 means less problem port apps between them.

Also Qt5.1 just got beta release and that one is even better multiplatform QML theme based controls/"widgets" also for desktop:

http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2013/0...es-in-qt-quick

so in case of Qt the future is bright. **** Android SDK and eclipse hell.

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If that's 100% correct, then based on this exchange, it's very good news:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...85#post1345385

I doubt Qt5x support is for the version of Sailfish that's being used on the 1st Jolla device.
But if it is... then they really do deserve a "slow clap"...

How can you be unimpressed if you don't even know or understand what it is?
Anyone who's had a bit to do with the maemo/meego community over the past 2yrs+ (user or dev) usually has a pretty solid understanding.

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QtQuick 2.0 is not avaible on 4.8 it was introduced in Qt5.0. And in the slides they import QtQuick 2.0 my guess is they soon will release a new alpha SDK... I really hope before summer end.

So why not ship Qt5 on first device? Were not talking about Nokia with plenty of bureaucracy. Actually it would hurt as to not have Qt5. QtDeclarative engine is rewritten in QtQuick 2.0 to be fully OpenGL.

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maybe you haven't used an Android device recently?
the number of apps, even though completely excessive still offers functionalities that are simply not available on any Maemo device & probably never will on Sailfish neither :(

it would be stupid from Jolla not to include Alien Dalvik, as it may allow them to attract Android users that have found apps & been using them for years.
if they can export the data (possible in many apps) move it to the Jolla device and re-import it there in the same app, that might help getting "casual" users.
get out of your FOSS (ivory) tower.

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Out of interest, and for the benefit of the people in Jolla/Mer and app developers, could you enumerate the top 5 or 10 apps that you believe make an Android device unique?
I haven't used Android except for briefly interacting with friends's devices, and I couldn't find anything that is absolutely useful, so I'm curious...

One of the best android apps are simply the support they've been given- jawbone, parrot ar, smar****ches, fitness devices, and others.

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The app options of is excellent. But it's individual, so you can't pinpoint just a few. But to me androids killer features are:
-Flash still woks extremely well even if abandoned.
-The ease and options for GUI customizations are superior. So many pacs, themes and launchers .
-the screen sizes.

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well, if those apps would work as expected. But we already know from BB that they don't. So what do you thik it would be the reaction from android turnover when he realizes that his favorite apps from android doesn't work as expected even if the jolla was advertized as "compatible"? He will switch back to android and never look back.

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Well, android is not my cup of tea, but my son has nexus7 that I maintain (as I have not let him create a google account) so I do know pretty well what jellybean looks&feels like.
Granted, he uses it mainly as gaming platform, and there are plenty of that stuff available on droid. However I do not play games, really.
Other than games, well I do not really see anything useful there on droidland.

I don't think so... basically the same reason others have stated here. If the integration is not perfect then it will rather upset the casual user more than strengthen resolve to switch to Sailfish.
As for data, that's completely different. I fully support that applicatin data (and not the applications) should be exportable/compatible/open formats.

I am verrrry happy in my tower, thanks for asking :D

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yup mtk is the boss on affordable department:) damm spd mstar and rdx should be sent to grave.