Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

It can have both qt4 and qt5, just like BB

core is still 4.8 however, and in my opinion they shouldn't try swtching now to qt5

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

The current Android emulation layer on BB10 is based on Android 2.3 with quite a lot of APIs not being available. That can cause applications to not work correctly or not work at all.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Let Android slowly die. Its all about QtQuick and HTML5 in a combo in the future. Reason? Well because Qt is TRUE multiplatform and works EVERYWHERE. Dalvik does not and is doomed. Just read my word.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

and average user doesn't care about that. It will turn back to android. And that's the point. Users are spoiled and unaware of modern tech. While I do know what I can expect from this and that's why I don't want it, Joe Average doesn't. For him android compatibility means that he can use all his android apps but it's not like that. This will do more damage than good in a long run. There's 958790685098098754 android devices of all types, sizes, specs and price ranges to choose from. Do we need another one? I think not. Especially not the one that we know will be underpowered to modern top android devices but emulation should be a selling point.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Having a BB10 Z10 now, I can tell that each app running on Android Emulator is a "pain in the ***" in the way that the UI doesn't fit properly with BB10... And concerning BB10, they mixed Meego & Ios... Not bad, but not the best... Just like it for the BB side (damm awsome keyboard and nice hub, very good file explorer, good battery life).

Ha, and BTW, Z10 does quite good photos compared to N9 !

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

• Terminal IDE
  (a development kit for Java / C / C++ / HTML / Android that comes with a full fledged (virtual) desktop keyboard, mc and probably a lot more
• Quote:

  Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1355042) Out of interest, and for the benefit of the people in Jolla/Mer and app developers, could you enumerate the top 5 or 10 apps that you believe make an Android device unique? [...]

  as NokiaN9KickYourAss pointed out, in that case the mere choice is the most attractive aspect; a person with a certain allergy or medical condition is sure to find a few apps that help cope with that
  or simply following a diet; i remember an app on Fremantle that was developed for that, but... it's ONE app; on android everyone can find a diet app that fits one's needs / wishes / whatever...
• X-Plane :eek: :cool:
  yes, a fully fledged flight simulator on a mobile device...
  that's one of the apps where a larger tablet makes sense, though
  apart from updating NOKIA devices (N9, N8, 808 :confused: :() and my navigation device, playing flight sim is one of the reason i still keep a LostDOS partition on my laptops
• every bank, public transport authority, airport, city, state, province ............... has (at least) one Android app.
  how many have a Maemo or MeeGo app?
  how many are likely to create one for Sailfish?
  it would be a different story if tha @$$O of flop hadn't sabotaged Symbian and it would still be one of the top smartphone OS; based on QT it would be easy to port apps to Sailfish but Java, HTML?

currently busy looking for a bluetooth keyboard
if it works (as opposed to the N9), well, that would be another aspect of Android, more then of the apps on Android... Google fully stands behind it & improves it with every iteration.
i only tried GingerBread on N900, thus difficult to make a judgement on Android's qualities solely on NITDroid, but still... Android 4 came a long way
there is of course the hope that Jolla will succeed but unless they can attract Android users, i doubt they'll ever get out of the niche NOKIA left MeeGo / Maemo in :(

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

But aren't these type of apps the ones that just give you some information, which you can easily find on the web, provided you have a proper mobile browser? I mean - I hear you: if I want info on my iphone, chances are I need to get an app... my N9, however, somehow provides a better/faster/more reliable browsing experince. But that's just me. I didn't try android, and I don't think I will, given the choices.

As for the other things you say, perhaps they don't apply to me, but thanks for enumerating.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Which could be translated to "we are too lazy to make a proper public API, so we just mashed up an Android app and called it a day". :) But yeah, this is still a real concern and IMHO a valid argument for having some sort of Android emulation available.

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Ideally yes, websites are fine. In practice, some of them give a terrible experience on mobile. I would love to use a website for that but sometimes, I have to admit that on my an android tablet, the experience is much cleaner because of that. I am sure everybody has already tried to click on a tiny text box or button, and do some terrible zoom in/out to interact with some badly written websites... The app is usually optimized in terms of screen resolution and in terms of number of items to display (the website is usually more crowded).

But all in all, I am still much more in love with my N9 and soon my Jolla because the user experience is neat compare to the shitty Android or boring WP8 (I have L920 too)
Having some android apps which would never (or very much later) come on Jolla own plateform is an advantage (how come you can think differently) for a transition period, but given that it works ok!

At the end, obviously, this is not the first thing you have in mind when you decide to buy a Jolla ;). And apart from games (as pointed by Juiceme), most apps are not that useful because you have already a closed or (usually) better native one.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

In addition to my question about "which apps are best" and my comments, I'd like to enumerate the ones I definitely use:
- IMAP client (aka mail application)
- Maps (I don't know anything better than Nokia Maps, shame it doesn't cover the whole world)
- Browser
- Reader (mostly RSS reader)

Nice to haves:
- Twitter client
- Sports tracker

Surprisingly well done apps that get content from the web:
- Nokia Public Transport - the timeline to catch a bus is unbeatable, unless somebody does it in HTML5 one day in the future perhaps
- Stock apps - for whatever reason, it's hard to get to this information via the web, or at least it was a couple of years ago, haven't checked

Maybe:
- Some games here and there, really not a gamer, but I appreciate them.

I don't consider myself a normal user, so that's why I was asking, mostly to see if I have been missing stuff out, which apparently I haven't.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

...just one word: AquaMail. There will not be some just-better-than-shitty FOSS alternative for years. Just read my word™. Word. :D Let hackjobs slowly die.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

yeah, public API...
well, who is interested in a public API?
developers?
as a matter of fact there are usually a lot of apps for a single organisation, many of which created by 3rd parties, either with commercial intend or "freely" (or as adware)
either way, there has to be some API available.
but at the end of the day, the vast majority of users just want an app which not only shows them information but also allows them to interact, like planning a trip or even booking it...
and there, the number of devices running on an OS obviously matters.
if i would develop (& maintain) myself all the apps i found in a few hrs for Android, i could be busy full time.
only, the number of ppl interested in using it, leave alone paying for it would be so small, it simply never would allow for a living
alas :(

unbelievable that from the most used (& sold) platform three years ago, NOKIA went to oblivion because of one m0##0n :mad:
flop deserves to be cut in pieces and fed to the porks

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

apps that are just a front end to a website......... well someone should just port this http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/oculo/

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

You are still so amusing with your ramblings! Yes, Microsoft is about to die! Android also!

Way to live in an ivory tower. Maemo/meego fan ivory towers are really the cream of the crop - Android is being accepted in most FOSS circles, but not here, no sir! It is doomed! :)

Sorry, go on!

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Guess some parts of this rant still apply. Definitely the first paragraph; and anyway just replace Nokia with Jolla... history repeating. :rolleyes:

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Ah yes, one of my favorite Maemo rants ever. :)

And it still is very true of this community, if not even more - I guess the less members the more rabid and agressive the fanboyism turns, since they reinfornce each other.

Just check out mike's post above, it goes off on various tangents that have not much to do with the topic at hand (NSA? what does that have to do with all this?), trying to convince everybody how their little corner of the world will rule everything eventually.

I'd recommend those people to get out sometimes and look around the world, meet people and see/hear what they do and like, instead of trying to change everyone and non stop convince them that they are wrong for liking something you loathe.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

What comes first...

The snow or the Jolla phone?

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Giving that last few years snow came early in Germany, and Jolla are not good at planning & comms, i bet a tenner on snow.

@herp: but, what would TMO be without our foulmouthed, furry little basement-dwelling nerd? Imagine; our own (Very) "Angry Mobile Platforms Nerd"! :D

Only people who have no brand-loyalty, are curious and put their blinders down (if they ever wore any), do a reality check and take advantage of general developments 'across systems' will be successful. Others, not so much.

Going on a rampant spree isn't good for heart & mind anyway. :D Besides that, its summer in the northern hemisphere - enjoy doing things outside for as long as possible, instead of proclaiming & defending an 'unlike' movement while belittling success stories. The more you insist on, the more you are a mere follower (of ideologies).

Resist ideologies. Evaluate all possibilities, repeatedly. Use the right tool for a (your) job. Don't act as a follower, regardless for whom. Enjoy life. Stop complaining.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Way to go with "taring a whole bunch of people with the same brush"...
I think you'll find many users here who have a slightly to VERY different perspective to that of Mike's.
Given your choice of wording, you're sounding more narrow-minded than most here.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Decided to remove my posts about Android, I should learn stop feed the trolls it has no point soo :(

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Keep them, they should stay there for context, don't be afraid to have your own opinion.
Everyone's entitled to theirs, no matter if others think theirs is somehow more superior/realistic/better-informed.
I can't say I agree wholeheartedly with everything you say, but that's not the point...

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

It's just hilarious :)
Who wrote that beutiful piece? And from the context I guess that was part of some application, it would display this when started?

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Jolla hasn't communicated much with TMO. I hope they don't even plan to start.

This frigging stillborn unmoderated bastard offspring of Nokia's broken dreams is awfully poisonous mud pond of bitching. I hope they continue to just doing what they do...instead of even thinking about perhaps communicating with this discussion board.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Unfortunately gotta agree with that. That maemo.org url would also be quite problematic when Jolla isn't there to benefit Maemo users, but building its own. Some seem to have the misconception that they are somehow accountable on the development of N9.

This place used to be amazing community. Getting an app/tweak made for N900 a day after asking for a solution or improvement. Can't beat that.
Now its people divided into a different camps and much of the great dev core understandably gone.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

A basic level of civility/respect goes a long way towards resolving the issues you both speak of.
Some here have a loooong track-record of having little or none of those qualities, unfortunately.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I think you are totally wrong here. Communication with it's customers is not easy, its a damn hard crowd to please. But as a vendor it's crucial. To me jolla has an opportunity to do it in an unlike way, since they are small and like to be close to it's "community". To create an official account at TMO, XDA, Nokia forum and/or a few others they could quite easily reach a large effort of users. It' would give them a direct channel to lots of potential customers an I'm sure it would also give them respect which would end up in real sales. I'm not talking about support here, it's more about information channels where they can post stuff so users now they exists(AND CARES for the endusers, more than just a lame press-release).

It's not up to any community, forum or user to take contact with jolla. It's up to jolla to connect to the reality, communities and ultimately the end users, TMO is just a reflection of the end users, so if jolla will sell the phone to real people, and not a select few 'nerds'. they batter shape up the message and do it fast, because the endusers are not always nice and throwing money and good words at you.

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Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Notice the "extra border" in running app view on the nexus one it seems the app thumbnail size is hardcoded?

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Thats why I say this over and over again:

We need a fresh new restart a new community and with a better forum. For example I trying to be more active in nemo mobile. But personally don't see a good place to ask questions about how to install on N9 or solutions when something fails etc...

This is needed because ask questions on irc is not always best place because we repeating questions over and over again.

I would not mind to pay for a fresh community but there is no damn way I pay a penny this community as long as the forum is broken.

Fresh restart is the only solution IMHO.

its time:

http://7b4.se/merforum/default/index

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Thats a Nexus 7, not a Nexus one :)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Isn't it rather up to our community to connect with the reality? TMO is not a prominent place where people look for information, so why should they waste resources on establishing an official communication channel with TMO? You cannot reach many people this way.

For official communication, Jolla has always chosen to do it via events with press coverage, such as Slush, MWC, or their own press conference. You reach more people that way, instead of talking to a bunch of nerds on TMO. This is how Jolla got mentioned on Wall Street Journal, BBC, Engadget, various computer magazines, etc. Not by posting on a former Nokia forum, where the only people are N770, N8x0, N900 or N9 users; devices most people never even heard of.

Then there's mostly developer-related inofficial communication. If you want to get in touch with the developers, join the Sailfish or Mer mailing lists, or the Mer and Nemo IRC channels. This is where you get help with developing apps. I don't really see a lack of communication.

We already know...

* that the device will be released by the end of 2013
* how much it will cost
* where and how to preorder
* that it will feature some thing like "replaceable back covers on steroids"
* how the first device will look like (given that is will look similar to the prototype), including some hardware specs like screen size and dual core processor
* how to develop for Sailfish with the SDK
* that Sailfish Silica is under the BSD license (look at the SDK, or take this QML code and make it run on Nemo)
* that Sailfish is a UI on top of Nemo (if you look closely at the SDK)
* how Sailfish looks and feels as we can try it for ourselves in the SDK
* that Sailfish will run Qt5 apps (look at the presentations from the Qt Developer Day in China)
* the opensource side of Sailfish is called Nemo (just look at the Mer and Nemo change logs; lots of Jolla people working there together with the community)
* that Nemo runs fine on the N9(50) except for some hardware where Nokia did not and maybe is not allowed (since they don't own it) to release driver code
* that there will be an app store (look at the videos from the press conference)
* that the phone will be able to run Android apps via Myriad Alien Dalvik (one video of the press conference shows it in action)

... and a lot more I forgot here.

Did Nokia, or Google, or Apple, or Microsoft ever release so much information before launching a device or OS? Or were you ever able to get in touch with the developers directly on IRC or mailing lists with these companies?

Probably it's not a lack of communication (because there is no lack IMHO), but you're just pissed that Jolla doesn't come here and says, look, here's a complete image for your N9, so you don't have to buy our device.

Instead they want to sell you their own hardware with Sailfish because they somehow need to be profitable as a company, and they have to keep back some information because they are doing business in the mobile phone war zone, where one false step could be the end.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I think the users here are very connected to the realty don't you think? so in that sense TMO is automatically that too.

I don't think you grasping what I'm saying here. I'm not talking about ditching twitter, events or anything else that you listed. I'm talking about presence and with that It could be one post per month or less/more. It's not like the masses lining up to buy new devises from unknown brands. Jolla needs to go where the users are, I'm not saying TMO is the place, but mobile forums is a great start.

Take a look at windows(and dont make this to a OS discussion). They have a hard time to increase even 1 % of the market/year. How do you think jolla will make it the simply turtle in their offices, make a twitt or two and sometimes post something to there facebook site. Sure, its great. But to survive or grow in this market. ITS NOT ENOUGH. Time will teach you and jolla.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Maybe it will change once the device sells. But without a device, marketing would be only hot air.
And official communication is marketing. We can only wait and see.
For inofficial communication, collect the various pieces of information you get and connect the dots.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Just setup a new forum for fun to test a web2py based forum.

The testforum is located at 7b4.se ATM. The forum is for those who wanna test mer/nemo on N9/N950 or whatever. Seriosuly we don't have any forum atm for merproject as I see it...

Notice this new "fresh" forum is only for those intrested in merproject, nemo and sailfishos and the forum is just setup to push community forward. IMHO. I still say TMO has reached deadend. I don't say this testforum is the optimal solution. I only say try it. I prefer web2py because its easy to administate and add more features.

So go register ;) Questions or discussions about Elop, Android or whatever crap is not allowed on this new forum.

http://7b4.se/merforum/default/index

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

nice mockup of the lockscreen made by a professional designer.

http://dribbble.com/shots/1136175-Jo...he-Lock-Screen

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

New video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSkUQbbmDSk

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

No, ancient video, some etard has just re-uploaded it to youtube.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

no news from Jolla these days, how can they keep us interested until december?

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I'd say from October onwards we will start hear much more again....
Hopefully they'll share a few more interesting tidbits before then though, or they risk being outmarketed by the alternate OS's (let alone the major ones).
Canonical especially is very astute at it, Mark Shuttleworth styles himself after Steve Jobs, he knows what his doing in that area.
Already Ubuntu and Tizen has more mind-share, they can't afford to let that lead become too big...