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JiiHoo 2013-07-18 16:44
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
ZDNet has done an interview with Jolla:

http://www.zdnet.com/jolla-with-just...ne-7000017994/

jalyst 2013-07-18 17:18
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Damn, beat me to it... :)
Also a interview with Mark Shuttleworth RE Canonical's (supposed) progress:
http://www.mobileworldlive.com/exclu...e-launch-plans

mikecomputing 2013-07-18 18:50
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JiiHoo (Post 1359894)
ZDNet has done an interview with Jolla:

http://www.zdnet.com/jolla-with-just...ne-7000017994/
old, damn me forgot post it yesterday.

jalyst 2013-07-18 19:05
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Same here :)

Artyom 2013-07-18 22:15
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/kde-applic...ilfish_OS.webm

after 16:00 they are saying that they keep the ui closed because they don't want "somebody else to take their stuff".
we can understand that it won't be at least completely closed in the future.

RX-51 2013-07-22 15:36
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
...an interesting move by Ubuntu. That hardware sounds mighty fine, take a bite of it Jolla, pretty please ;)

Quote:
Ubuntu Edge smartphone announced with $32 million Indiegogo campaign, aims to hit market in May 2014


Ubuntu's smartphone strategy is taking shape today in form of the Edge, which is set to come to market in May of next year, when it'll be available for $830 outright. True to Canonical's community driven roots, the company is turning to crowd-funding to get the device on its feet; to that end, it's launching a campaign on Indiegogo today, which provides early backers the opportunity to snag the phone for $600. According to company founder, Mark Shuttleworth, the Indiegogo strategy isn't meant to compete with its strategy of courting carriers, but rather, it's meant to solve an "innovation gap" that's arisen during its talks with manufacturers.

Key to the Ubuntu Edge is the aim to bridge the cap between mobile phones and PCs. To accomplish that, the Edge will be designed to run a full-fledged Ubuntu desktop operating system alongside Android. While specs are currently tentative, the company is aiming to outfit the Edge with a quad-core CPU, 4GB of RAM and 128GB of storage. Meanwhile, the phone itself will sport a 4.5-inch, 1,280 x 720 display that's constructed of sapphire crystal glass, an 8MP rear / 2MP front-facing camera and stereo speakers. As for connectivity, Canonical's eyeing LTE connectivity, dual-band WiFi, Bluetooth 4.0 and NFC, along with MHL support for HDTVs and the like.
source: http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/22/u...ge-smartphone/


Technical Specifications:

- Dual boot Ubuntu mobile OS and Android
- Fully integrated Ubuntu desktop PC when docked
- Fastest multi-core CPU, 4GB RAM, 128GB storage
- 4.5in 1,280 x 720 HD sapphire crystal display
- 8mp low-light rear camera, 2mp front camera
- Dual-LTE, dual-band 802.11n Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 4, NFC
- GPS, accelerometer, gyro, proximity sensor, compass, barometer
- Stereo speakers with HD audio, dual-mic recording, Active Noise Cancellation
- MHL connector, 3.5mm jack
- Silicon-anode Li-Ion battery
- 64 x 9 x 124mm

Specifications are subject to change.

more under: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge

/edit

Comparing it to Jolla's device it was € 399 ($ ~510) vs € ~460 ($ ~600) [prices calculated on the 1 day deal]...a bunch of neat hardware in the Ubuntu phone.

jalyst 2013-07-22 15:48
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Bold move (if truly accurate), this may really steal Jolla's thunder (tragically), if there's one thing Mark knows, it's marketing/spin, he styles himself after Job's.

biatch0 2013-07-22 17:06
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
The $600 24 hour deal sounds really attractive - especially considering for an extra $30 they will ship to anywhere in the world. That alone is a big advantage over Jolla. It's unfortunate that I don't have $600 to put into this right now, or I would definitely back them.

Rugoz 2013-07-22 17:43
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
That phone has fail written all over it. What are they thinking? $830 in stores? Nobody except a few freaks will be interested in the docking feature, sorry. In addition, while dual boot is cool for the consumer, for a software developer who wants to show off his new OS its a no-go.

IMO Jolla has the right ideas, one can only hope the execution is good. For example the back covers, has great potential IMO. Not primarily for a keyboard, but for creative stuff. They should hire some designers which do some really cool covers, for example with OLED lighting.

RX-51 2013-07-22 17:50
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1361061)
That phone has fail written all over it. What are they thinking? $830 in stores? Nobody except a few freaks will be interested in the docking feature, sorry. In addition, while dual boot is cool for the consumer, for a software developer who wants to show off his new OS its a no-go.
This phone won't show up in stores at all. Either this model will be founded in the next 31 days with $ 32.000.000 or it won't be released at all.
Everyone who pledged $600 today or $830 the next days will get one of those exclusive models.

The iPhone 5 with 64gb is $849 unlocked in the Apple online store.
Some freaks are even buying it ;)

Dave999 2013-07-22 18:02
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RX-51 (Post 1361066)
This phone won't show up in stores at all. Either this model will be founded in the next 31 days with $ 32.000.000 or it won't be released at all.
Everyone who pledged $600 today or $830 the next days will get one of those exclusive models.

The iPhone 5 with 64gb is $849 unlocked in the Apple online store.
Some freaks are even buying it ;)
Love the metal and very "unusual" futuristic look, plus the cool dual boot. Personally I doubt ubuntu will be "ready" like all new os, So I see this as a Dev device.

All new phone costs $ 800 where I live. Nothing strange about that.

jalyst 2013-07-22 18:23
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RX-51 (Post 1361066)
The iPhone 5 with 64gb is $849 unlocked in the Apple online store.
Some freaks are even buying it ;)
Queue... Lumiaman....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1361070)
Love the metal and very "unusual" futuristic look, plus the cool dual boot. Personally I doubt ubuntu will be "ready" like all new os, So I see this as a Dev device..
Well, that's why they're claiming it'll be shipping by May next yr, but even that's pretty ambitious if it's going to be using Mir/xMir.

Dave999 2013-07-22 18:35
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1361079)
Queue... Lumiaman....



Well, that's why they're claiming it'll be shipping by May next yr, but even that's pretty ambitious if it's going to be using Mir/xMir.
I think they will launch it in may/june, but ubuntu OS will be far from ready at the time, that's why you can duel boot android. So you are probably right.

mikecomputing 2013-07-22 18:43
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1361015)
Bold move (if truly accurate), this may really steal Jolla's thunder (tragically), if there's one thing Mark knows, it's marketing/spin, he styles himself after Job's.
And thats makes me wanna puke....

But I am not suprised. Canonical is a copycat company and has always been. Time for me throw kubuntu in trashbin and go for another dist.

I have started been very sick of the way Canonical has got to much attention latest year. They definitivly not deserve all they attention. Some people now beleive Linux actually IS Ubuntu :mad:


Btw Jolla:

"Welcome aboard our new Marketing Director! RT @TimMcDigital: Excellent first day on the new job @JollaHQ meeting awesome new colleagues!"

So now I hope Jolla realize for real this is NEEDED marketing marketing marketing

Funny is Jolla has quality of OS. Canonical has Quality of marketing. I hope that TimMcDigital is something who knows about how to show the masses.

Dave999 2013-07-22 18:57
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
jolla and ubuntu have both their strength. No device/os is best so it cool that the enduser has more to choose from. What is you issue, mike. U can handle only one OS at the time, sailfish and ubuntu and tizen helping each other as well even if you can't see it.

mikecomputing 2013-07-22 18:59
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1361061)
That phone has fail written all over it. What are they thinking? $830 in stores? Nobody except a few freaks will be interested in the docking feature, sorry. In addition, while dual boot is cool for the consumer, for a software developer who wants to show off his new OS its a no-go.
Yes UbuntuPhoneOS is boring and not that userfriendly.

But most people are *****s its all about marketing this days. And that Shurtelworth is like Steve Jobs is for Apple freaks. I am sure there is alot of Enduser Linux folks who buys it. It has been shown before. And some people also beleive Ubuntu IS Linux.

Dave999 2013-07-22 19:09
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Jolla device looks like a cheap toy compared with ubuntu edge, but sailfish like an os seems really solid.

don_falcone 2013-07-22 19:10
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
'Shurtelworth'... :rolleyes: I've assumed you being legasthenic for quite some time now, but this tops it for now.

Dave999 2013-07-22 19:16
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1361107)
'Shurtelworth'... :rolleyes: I've assumed you being legasthenic for quite some time now, but this tops it for now.
What does that even mean? :confused:

qwazix 2013-07-22 19:20
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I wonder if us linux fans are allergic to success... I feel that if ever something that we like becomes at least a little bit successful we start to hate it.

And you know what? It may well be that to become successful you have to abandon some of the practices that we like, like being very community based and open-only and such things. So in part I understand it. On the other hand however, with things as they are today, you can't create a community phone. You need a commercial entity to back it, closed drivers and all that jazz.

It can be done only two ways: either from companies like jolla or canonical (who try to compete by either closing down UI or using their brand power) or as a fringe project by a behemoth like Nokia and Samsung, who might pour money for the sake of RnD, and be happy with a niche, because they make tons of money elsewhere.

Neither is optimal or what we ultimately want, but in a world where linux mobile has less than 1% (android is excluded for obvious reasons) I don't think we can afford to not support all the efforts even if they are not ideal.

mikecomputing 2013-07-22 19:24
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1361111)
I wonder if us linux fans are allergic to success... I feel that if ever something that we like becomes at least a little bit successful we start to hate it.

And you know what? It may well be that to become successful you have to abandon some of the practices that we like, like being very community based and open-only and such things. So in part I understand it. On the other hand however, with things as they are today, you can't create a community phone. You need a commercial entity to back it, closed drivers and all that jazz.

It can be done only two ways: either from companies like jolla or canonical (who try to compete by either closing down UI or using their brand power) or as a fringe project by a behemoth like Nokia and Samsung, who might pour money for the sake of RnD, and be happy with a niche, because they make tons of money elsewhere.

Neither is optimal or what we ultimately want, but in a world where linux mobile has less than 1% (android is excluded for obvious reasons) I don't think we can afford to not support all the efforts even if they are not ideal.
Thing is I am allergic about copycats. and the decission going theyr own route with MiR hurts Linux overall hard and only winner on it is Canonical. RedHat, Jolla, OpenSuse and so on loose on it and especcially when it comes to commercial apps and GFX drivers etc... that probadly will only support ubuntu in the future :mad:

Rugoz 2013-07-22 19:37
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Quote:
I wonder if us linux fans are allergic to success... I feel that if ever something that we like becomes at least a little bit successful we start to hate it.
Not at all, but an Android phone with Ubuntu Mobile as an extra won't succeed in establishing Ubuntu Mobile as a new OS in the consumer market.

jalyst 2013-07-23 00:37
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1361109)
What does that even mean? :confused:
He was responding to Mike's post...
Mike mistyped something so he turned that into a personal attack it seems by suggesting he's legasthenic.

jalyst 2013-07-23 00:55
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1361096)
jolla and ubuntu have both their strength. No device/os is best so it cool that the enduser has more to choose from. What is you issue, mike. U can handle only one OS at the time, sailfish and ubuntu and tizen helping each other as well even if you can't see it.
I'd love Ubuntu to part of that love in, alas they've clearly made a bid to control the entire FOSS graphics stack longer-term.
On the surface it doesn't look that bad, look much closer at the way the project (& licensing's) structured & it becomes clearer.
And the reasons they cited at the time for such a schism being needed have long since been thoroughly lampooned.
They have some of their own reasons (which they've since clarified further) & that's fine, they're entitled to do what they want.
But they need to get off their high horse & stop pretending Mir's mostly for altruistic reasons & the greater good, that's not what it's about at all.
Lately they seem to have been doing just that, but only when they're not on a "Jobsian" marketing drive of course...

There's been excellent & detailed discussions on all this for many mths now in threads tied to articles @Phoronix, & elsewhere.
Might be time to tune into those if you're interested in more than just Sailfish, Dave?
Tizen's a bit better overall but not by much*, & putting aside the openness Qn, it's disappointing that native is not truly central like HTML5.
It's there, but it's not "front & centre" to their overall approach, as evidenced by the fact that native dev is well supported via C++ only.

*most of the OS components get a big tick, but there's some (surprisingly) very tight restrictions when it comes to the officially mandated/supported SDK

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1361105)
Jolla device looks like a cheap toy compared with ubuntu edge, but sailfish like an os seems really solid.
Yeah but, that's a prototype, Jolla's already confirmed (yonks ago) that they've started pre-production, that's a BIG difference.
Admittedly, most of the images (some are renderings no doubt) indicate a ph that's pretty slick when it comes design, perhaps more so than Jolla's.
Some of that flair for marketing coming to the forefront for Canonical again, longer-term it certainly helps more than it hurts.

qwazix 2013-07-23 06:26
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The ubuntu edge shown in the video is not a render, it's a prototype. Look at the ubuntu sticker at the back. It's not a perfect circle, and it's not even stuck there very well.

and jalyst, please link to some of the licesing issues discussions, I'm genuinely interested.

Dave999 2013-07-23 07:11
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
The Ubuntu mobile is too cool to be true. The body is so strong, only diamonds can scratch the surface :D

jalyst 2013-07-23 10:59
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1361248)
The ubuntu edge shown in the video is not a render, it's a prototype. Look at the ubuntu sticker at the back. It's not a perfect circle, and it's not even stuck there very well.
My bad for not double-checking that, I based my assertion on commentary by others without double-checking things myself 1st...

Quote:
and jalyst, please link to some of the licesing issues discussions, I'm genuinely interested.
Fair Qn, IIRC it's something to do with clauses in the licensing or combos (CLA etc) that gives an unfair advantage to Canonical over contributors who aren't part of Canonical.
I know that's very vague, that's why I wasn't specific in the 1st place, I've spent 15min trying to find it but so far nothing, it has been raised many times in threads @Phoronix.
Later I'll try to spend more time finding some of the discussions & link to them, in the meantime look at several of the major stories/discussions in the last few mths & see if you can find it.
I can't recall if all of it was discussed @Phoronix or mostly linked to external sources from there, but I'm pretty sure the entire crux of it has been covered there regardless.

Dave999 2013-07-23 11:07
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
This campaign by Ubuntu edge gives you an idea of the number of phones jolla has sold so far. Not that many. My guess is around 5000 100Euro deals for jolla.

nodevel 2013-07-23 11:14
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1361312)
I know that's very vague, that's why I wasn't specific in the 1st place, I've spent 15min trying to find it but so far nothing, it has been raised many times in threads @Phoronix.
Later I'll try to spend more time finding some of the discussions...
To save you some time, there's info about it on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrib...ment#Canonical

mrsellout 2013-07-23 12:29
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Can you (or anyone else) explain why it says contributors have to sign a CLA for those projects, but one of those, Mir, has a GPLv3 licence[2]?

What's the difference? Is it just Canonical exerting full control over the project, and how does that differ from other projects?

jalyst 2013-07-23 12:48
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Best-off bumping one (or several) of the threads at Phoronix, it's all been covered there in great detail.
I wish I could recall it all, alas my memory's like a sieve, esp. when it's not my area of interest/speciality.

ggabriel 2013-07-23 15:48
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1361111)
On the other hand however, with things as they are today, you can't create a community phone. You need a commercial entity to back it, closed drivers and all that jazz.
Well, not really, the only reason why what you say is true is because people need $$$$ and they'll never do [very quickly] anything standard so that we can stick the OS that we want and build/buy the HW that we want. Same happened with PC's years ago, and is still happening nowadays with macs.

I'm happy for Canonical though, despite the fact that I'd never buy a phone/OS combination that forces you to use both hands to operate it. Happy to have another alternative to crappy android and closed ios and wp.

Morpog 2013-08-04 09:06
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
http://abload.de/img/iamthefirstone150o5kau.png

mikecomputing 2013-08-04 09:11
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1364809)
>= 150 days is more likely...

JiiHoo 2013-08-21 07:18
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
First production batch has been fully booked:

http://jolla.com/media/documents/Jol..._21.8.2013.pdf

juiceme 2013-08-21 07:26
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I'd love to know what is the size of the production batch... 1000? 10000? 1000000?

jpel 2013-08-21 07:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1368487)
I'd love to know what is the size of the production batch... 1000? 10000? 1000000?
In this interview
http://www.digitoday.fi/mobiili/2013...a/201311544/66

Antti saarnio mentions that they don't give exact figures, but says that the outsold first batch size is "..normal production batch in mobile branch and is tens of thousands.."

Rauha 2013-08-21 08:17
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Few other new things from jpel's link:

-Jolla is in negotiations with nordic, german, french, british and italian operators.

-Phones will most likely hit the market in December in Finland, meaning that they will lose big chunk of the christmas market. Also, launch in China could be very close to the chinese new year, again losing at least part of another big holiday market.

jalyst 2013-08-21 15:18
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jpel (Post 1368488)
In this interview
http://www.digitoday.fi/mobiili/2013...a/201311544/66

Antti saarnio mentions that they don't give exact figures, but says that the outsold first batch size is "..normal production batch in mobile branch and is tens of thousands.."
So in other words it's quite tiny, nothing surprising there folks...
I hope Dec. is a slight exaggeration, & that they can get it to the 1st markets in Nov, or even Oct.
Dec. is too vicious a time to compete for everyone's wallets, if they're to stand-out, they need users talking about their Jolla Ph at least 1-2 wks before then.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1368495)
-Phones will most likely hit the market in December in Finland, meaning that they will lose big chunk of the christmas market.
Also, launch in China could be very close to the chinese new year, again losing at least part of another big holiday market.
That's no different to what they've been saying for many months now.
Lets hope they surprise us & release slightly earlier, although I won't hold my breath.

shmerl 2013-08-21 16:35
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Waiting for devices to be available outside Europe.


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