Originally Posted by JiiHoo (Post 1368485)

First production batch has been fully booked:

http://jolla.com/media/documents/Jol..._21.8.2013.pdf

Originally Posted by Fuzzillogic (Post 1368559)

That PDF: Producer:Microsoft® Word 2010

I am disappoint.

Yeah it's just a press release, but really, what's driving a company which makes *only* Linux devices to use Word?.. Can't they even convince their own employees to use FLOSS software?.. Heck, LibreOffice runs great on Windows too.

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1368554)

So in other words it's quite tiny, nothing surprising there folks...
I hope Dec. is a slight exaggeration, & that they can get it to the 1st markets in Nov, or even Oct.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1368590)

Libre AND office sucks both bigtime. People should use LaTex for pressreleases and documention :p Thats the only way that works and creates correct PDF files. M$ PDF exporter makes me wanna puke :mad:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1368554)

So in other words it's quite tiny, nothing surprising there folks...

Originally Posted by Jolla Smartphones (unofficial) on Facebook

So, Look at the revised version of the Jolla.. and to sum up all the news, fun and run here are a summary of all at once:

1) The ‪#‎Bezel‬ has indeed noticeable to all... more edge to edge design which fits the ‪#‎beautiful‬ ‪#‎screen‬.

2) "Camera" you say?? Yes you are right, the rear camera is now centred along with the flash... woop woop.. giving a clear balanced imaging experience

3) The front camera has been repositioned slightly left to neatly position the earpiece. If you look closely the sensor and the front camera are is the same distance from the earpiece.. looks more geometrically consistent.

4) The power button is now on top right and the volume rocker below it, seamlessly integrated to the more compact body.

5) The ‪#‎other‬ ‪#‎half‬ (back cover) is now looks a real part of the front half with less distinct edges for better grip and reduces the thickness (I guess?).

6) You see the main microphone exactly on the centre of the body below the screen and the noise cancelling microphone has been moved from back cover to top - between the USB port and the embedded shining Jolla logo.

7) According to source ZDNet - "a spokesperson for the start up (Jolla) said that the typical size of a production batch for a mobile device vendor is 50,000 units.".. which gives us an assumption of number of units sold

8)After Jolla "received pre-orders from 136 countries" both consumers and "selected sales channels" have bought out the first batch, which it still expects to deliver by the end of the year.

9) Last but not the least, here is what Jolla CEO Tomi Pienimäki confirmed to ZDNet:

"For those, who missed the first opportunity, we are now doing our best to offer a SECOND CHANCE, a new batch of Jolla smartphones later in the autumn. I encourage everyone interested in Jolla to sign up at www.jolla.com and be the first to know about any new developments, such as the opening of the next pre-sales campaign."

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1368595)

2. The reason theyt swicth to wayland could be related to libhybris eg: they decided to go for some GFX HW that only supports Android drivers.

But that I am not trying to be negative. Just saying... However if Wayland/Qt slows don release I def not have a problem with that cause stick to Qt4.8 would harm alot more atleast on the app area...

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1368595)

My guess was before they ssaid Qt5/Wayland that they may release around december but now I would not be suprised if they change to begining of next year.
For two reasons:
1. Migration may take more time than expected. After testing the latest SDK I have seen more issues than the old release.
2. The reason theyt swicth to wayland could be related to libhybris eg: they decided to go for some GFX HW that only supports Android drivers.
But that I am not trying to be negative. Just saying... However if Wayland/Qt slows don release I def not have a problem with that cause stick to Qt4.8 would harm alot more atleast on the app area...

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1368633)

I hope switch to Wayland is accompanied with native drivers, and not with libhybris, and it's made because Wayland simply performs better.

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1368672)

Haven't seen this in TMO yet:
Smartphone with Sailfish OS coming soon to India
made by Zopo

Originally Posted by willi6868 (Post 1368677)

Jolla listened to the Community and overworked the device:)

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1368712)

Yeah but, is that their official Facebook page? I'm tired of this social communication crud, they should put it on official site(s), or official social channels at the very least.
Until we see it coming from those places, it's just hot air....

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1368712)

As I've understood in my chats with them, one of the main reasons the switch was done, was to accommodate libhybris & hence better hw support.
libhybris was never going to be practical with Qt4/X, they decided the advantages that Qt5/Wayland/libhybris brings, outweighs sticking with Qt4x/X for at least the 1st device.

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1368740)

Sure, in general. I mean, I hope in their first device at least they managed to get the native drivers. But, what can you do, if not.

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1368598)

Well yes, if you are talking about "word processing" which is a misnormer anyways and most of times a horrible overkill... I rarely use anything else than emacs & vi as my word processing tools and they do nicely for me, thank you.

But there are some tools that really are the killer application in office suites, be thy libre or legacy, and that's spreadsheets.
be it calc, exel, lotus, whatever, but that's the killer application on office tools. I couldn't go far without a sheet to type my numbers in :D

Originally Posted by willi6868 (Post 1368728)

The summed up informatiin comes from an unofficial facebook page but the two pictures were also posted by the official Jolla page.

Also official on twitter :) :
https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/370433322075164672
and
http://jollatides.com/2013/08/21/jol...s-to-hardware/

Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1368807)

The pictures are just some bad photoshopping, and jolla did the wrong thing and retweeted, and now people think it's the real thing.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1368797)

Jolla cooperate with kde also :D

http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index....2#calligra-qt5

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1368833)

From the above:
Not the same mistake as with the N9 i.e. no document editor and only a viewer shipped. Guess now the Android compatibility layer has one good reason to be included ;)

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1368868)

I sure hope it's going to be the full office suite and not just a viewer.
I have no intrest really to use android apps if native are available :D

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1368796)

mikecomputing: Jolla said, that it's not impossible to convince manufacturers to produce drivers, but you need to "impress" them with high potential sales figures or to pay a lot. I think Jolla can aspire for a lot of sales, they are not some amateur project.

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1368796)

mikecomputing: Jolla said, that it's not impossible to convince manufacturers to produce drivers, but you need to "impress" them with high potential sales figures or to pay a lot. I think Jolla can aspire for a lot of sales, they are not some amateur project.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1368983)

True, but that "high potential sales" could be a problem.

I mean "ten tousands preorders" is not directly high volumes...

Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1368832)

It certainly looks like that to me. See the leftover photoshop artifacts at the bottom of the phone. You can also see it's a retweet.

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1369169)

MikeconTROLLing...You are are biggest troll around here.

Originally Posted by DeeGee (Post 1369171)

The images were released at their g+ and facebook accounts for some reason. And they were quite horribly .jpg compressed, so there's lot of compression artifacts, but I haven't noticed anything that seems blatantly photoshopped?
(except for the obvious point that these are 3D renders, not actual photos of ready device).
Jolla_aloe.jpg
Jolla_peach?