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I am NOT suprised. As stated already most manufactors has Android only drivers. (its seems also the case for other stuff like camera drivers etc :(

So I guess know people will complain like crazy :(

Thank you google for not using core libc.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Now people will jump to Neo900 like crazy ;)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Yes a project that never will be matrialized.

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Never say never. We will se!

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These guys are Finnish, mate, can't you at least understand? I'm sure translations/other channels will come in time. Tell me: which [insert your favourite English speaking country here] company has released breaking news in any language other than English? Say Spanish for instance? Or Chinese?

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

good, it gives them a lot more choice on the SoC.

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I see that you chose to to necro, that's okay...
It's about messaging, it's not about nationalism, something they (nor you) seem to appreciate, maybe it will come, in time.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I recall Finland being one of their targeted markets; along with Asia. Nothing more or did I forget something?

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This is not as bad as it sounds.
They will be able to rely on properly mantained drivers, plus provide full compatibility in one shot. In terms of licensing, however, well,...

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Not sure what you mean (honestly), but I'm certain it's off topic, so let's drop it.
If It's about messaging, then I think English is the least preferred language. Recall that they aim to China and Europe markets - China doesn't speak English, and most countries in Europe don't speak English either. Finland, naturally, is their home market so it makes sense that reports are being made in Finnish, mostly because the media is probably more interested there. Does this make sense?

Look, I'm as eager as you are to hear things, but let's give these guys a break... I'd rather them concentrating in getting out a good device than them getting out really nice PDF's in multiple languages. At the end of the day, there are nice people who summarise/translate articles in other languages into English, so what gives?

I don't think that the mass consumers will be interested in anything at this point anyway, which is when it makes sense for the messaging to be a bit wider, as you suggest.

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Believe it or not, there's a higher % of Chinese who speak English as a 2nd primary language than there is English speakers who speak Chinese as a 2nd primary language.
That will change longer term, but it's not the reality nowadays...
The same holds true for continental Europe, the language that's deferred to as a 2nd primary language before everything else is English, that's just the reality.
English is the "lingua franca" of the world nowadays, if you want to be top-notch with your messaging you defer to English 1st, Finnish is way down the ladder (other languages before Finnish).
English should be the default & Mandarin should be a very close 2nd, so far there's been little emphasis on either (esp. Mandarin), it's been Finnish, Finnish, & more Finnish.

Nope, they've said quite clearly that they intend to extend beyond Finland very quickly, EU/China is their primary initial focus.

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I don't say its bad, its totally strategic right decision for a Jolla. However I think its bad that SoC manufactors only has Android drivers. I see this as a problem on "lowend/midend" embedded products too (not related to smartphone or tablets).

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Too be offtopic but if I remember correct the most natural 2nd language in europe is German. Except northeurope where we naturally has english 2nd. And for some wierd reason Finland still has swedish as second language if i remember correct :rolleyes:

However my english still sucks. I should have been more active at the english lesson in school... :cool:

I think europe and US needs to start learn Chinese too..

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I agree that English can be considered the lingua franca, at least at commercial level, but I still insist that when a reporter comes to you and asks to you in Finnish and you speak Finnish, then you respond in Finnish and the reporter reports in Finnish. I do work in the northern European countries every now and then, and while their education is fantastic to say the least and speaking fluently 2 languages is the norm, they still do use their primary language very often. So, I don't see anything wrong with www.digitoday.fi to report in Finnish.

That being said, I do expect the same message to be officially translated eventually, when it makes sense for Jolla to do it.

Yeah, that's what I meant, sorry if I was ambiguous.

This is becoming too off topic, so I think I'll stop for now - it does look like we are on the same page, just with different expectations ;-) All this Jolla chatter reminds me of when the N9 started shipping, except that the time period is extended tenfold.

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Jeez. Dumb comment, even by current TMO standards.

They have been doing interviews with media everywhere there has been interest. For a small startup they have gotten decent amount of media exposure, even from abroad, but for bleedingly obvious reasons, its mostly local media thats interested about them.Thus most of the media stuff about them is in finnish.

Its not like they can demand the BBC to a a special in glorious queen's english about them, but please continue bitching about it.





EDIT:

The only official finnish communication I've seen from Jolla so far is the thank you note that came with my t-shirt and the .fi version of their homepage. Hardly too much.

In fact, I would say that they have done far too little official communication in finnish. They need to break big with the finnish launch in order to open markets in Europe. How about actual real marketing around the release to markets? Otherwise they'll be just Yet Another Linux Freedom ******** Failure selling stuff microcoscopic niche and going bankrupt soon.

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so they are going down the ubuntu road. Cool.

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What delay...

My N9 is already exhausted i need a Jolla...for yesterday !

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Being approached primarily by Finnish speakers/reporters is no excuse...
If they're getting comms out regularly to Finnish reporters, then in the same breathe it should be going out in English/Mandarin.

Co's (small & large) can & do regularly canvass media outlets, that's part of the marketing process.
It's clear that coverage has been biased towards catering to a Finnish audience, they can change that pattern of behaviour if they want.
They can "walk & chew gum" at the same time, that Finnish emphasis doesn't need to go whilst adding other streams.
All the streams are mostly self-perpetuating, they just need to set-up the framework...

Are you confused, again, Dave?

Sailfishos achieves compatibility with Android ecosystem. Great news! Press release and pics @ http://jolla.com/press/

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Whole press release text:

Sailfish OS achieves compatibility with Android ecosystem

HELSINKI – September 16, 2013.

Sailfish OS has achieved a major milestone whereby the OS is now compatible with the Android (TM) ecosystem, in terms of application and hardware compatibility.

Android applications run directly on Sailfish OS without any modifications

Users enjoying the unique gesture-based and modern
Sailfish OS user experience will be able to take full advantage of the Android application ecosystem available through various app stores globally. Jolla will co-operate with leading global app stores to ensure users can seamlessly download Android apps just as they would do on any Android device.

“For example, highly popular apps such as Instagram, WhatsApp and Spotify run directly on Sailfish OS. Also Chinese WeChat – already with over 400 million users – runs on Sailfish OS,” says Jolla CEO Tomi Pienimäki.

Sailfish OS runs on common Android hardware

Jolla has made a major breakthrough in Android hardware compatibility by developing Sailfish OS to run on common hardware produced for Android, particularly smartphones and tablets. Vendors interested to utilize Sailfish OS are now able to develop phones and tablets based on many different chipset and hardware configurations. This new level of compatibility will enable device vendors who use Sailfish OS to fully utilize the existing Android hardware ecosystem.

Jolla believes that this breakthrough offers growth opportunities of significant scale for Sailfish OS globally, especially in China. “We believe Sailfish with Android compatibility is a highly relevant mobile operating system option for major mobile companies in Europe and in Asia. We are already in discussions with several major Asian vendors regarding this opportunity,” says Tomi Pienimäki.

Next production batch will be opened for pre-orders this week

The last weeks have been very dynamic in the mobile industry and after the Microsoft-Nokia announcement the strategic position of Jolla and Sailfish OS has strengthened significantly.
“Due to extremely positive feedback and increased demand in the past weeks, we are offering another pre-order opportunity for our second production batch later this week through jolla.com. This will be targeted to Finnish customers who want to express their passion for the Finnish mobile industry,” Pienimäki concludes.

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Hmm so should I buy Jolla phone or wait for better hardware phone with Sailfish OS?
Qwerty keyboard would change that to Jolla for sure.

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If the Jolla ph doesn't do relatively well for a start-up, then it's unlikely there'll be decent Sailfish-based handsets from other OEM/ODM's.
So, if you want a better Sailfish handset option in the future, get behind the Jolla phone first...

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"Vendors interested to utilize Sailfish OS are now able to develop phones and tablets based on many different chipset and hardware configurations."

Presumably this is most interesting if the chosen hardware they are compatible with is widesly used within industry.

Qualcomm?

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I would wager its more due to their usage of libhybris for drivers hence now they can run on most chipsets that have drivers for Android...

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i agree, but i imagine they have pre-qualified a given SoC/family of SoC's.

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+1, so basically any vendor who is pissed off with Big Search Company for being evil can now opt for Sailfish OS as well as any other that is available out there.

Even when Big Electronics Company fails miserably with Tizen*, they can probably use a real OS.

The question then would be whether Jolla will be able to deal with all this noise and make something that will make ererybody happy.

* completely subjective, I'm not a big fan of the Big Electronics Company as most of their stuff basically failed to me, and everything I've seen that they do at a software/UX level is very very bad indeed [to my taste].

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Antti Saarnio on Digitodays interview

http://www.digitoday.fi/mobiili/2013...a/201312920/66

reveals following on last sentence:

"We will announce full technical specifications for the phone during this week, when we start second pre-book campaign" :):D

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Anyone interested in Android app store availability, one store Jolla definitely seem to be behind is F-Droid, according to some of their recent images. Presumably that's due to lack of licensing, as it's all FOSS.

Finally! :)

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About the Android hardware issue. See the critical comment from the Lima driver developer: http://libv.livejournal.com/25325.html
His points are valid, if libhybris is going to become a permanent thing, instead of a temporary crutch to gain foothold.

I wish they'd publish such stuff in English in timely manner as well :)

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OMGOMGOMG

It's coming!!!

And now in a more calm attitude... It would also be nice to see how the compatibility with HTML5 apps works :)

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At least we can expect compatibility with Firefox OS API and applications.

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Yeah, but I meant actually see it, not just expect it :) Even a screenshot like the ones we have now of Android apps would be cool (although they are just the launcher icons and a quote saying that they work, but still...).

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This is why I'm not sure if I want buy Jolla phone.

"Nyt Sailfish-järjestelmän voi periaatteessa laittaa vaikka olemassa olevaan Android-laitteeseen"
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"Now Sailfish OS can, in principle, to put even into an existing Android device"

If I buy Nexus 4 or something and can Install Sailfish on it I get better hardware for cheaper?

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Welll I'll be definitely be buying my Jolla device, regardless of what HW comes to suport SailfishOS.
If only to show my respect to the fine people making this possible. And to give my support to a Finnish mobile device company.
And besides, it's fairly inexpensive so there's no real reason not to.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Encouraging news, but I hope that means they're planning to commence shipping in 2mth max.
Any longer & what's likely to be mediocre specs will be more so by xmas/new_yr, + much of the buzz would've worn off.

I don't think the idea was ever for it to become permanent, it's a necessary evil until a certain critical mass is reached, if it ever is.
I don't think it's as dire as this dev thinks, it's still more of a +ve overall than a -ve, at least it's given small start-ups like Jolla a fighting stance.

According to some here that's just dumb thinking & asking for too much...

IIUC it's not as simple as that, there'd need to be customised Sailfish ROMS, Jolla isn't close to facilitating that yet, & they've been cagey on whether they ever will.

I'll be buying, not out of Finnish pride, but because of what it means longer-term for the entire industry if MeR/Sailfish/Nemo & ODM's like Jolla take-off.

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You can probably do it, or somebody else. I wouldn't expect the world+dog to come up with an image and a flasher for any android device out there. Also, I'm still unsure as to what the big hype is with "better hardware", which often translates to "more cores and more CPU frequency". This is a mobile phone device we are talking about... do you want it to last you 4 hours on battery or would you rather have it running for a couple of days at least? Jolla are designing their hw thinking about a smooth experience, as they mentioned time and time again. I am personally not planning to do video editing on my phone, but ymmv.

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I'm very pleased that they can use standard Android Hardware. It makes it easier for them to have many hardware sources as well as makes it easier for other partners to try Sailfish. If they push Qt then developers can create Android and Sailfish (and BB OS10) and get native in each environment. Perhaps I am over simplifying it but Qt is trying to make different mobile OS targets with the same code that might be the end goal to get more native apps that way. They are running a business and they seem to have made sound business decisions even if some purists don't like their approach. I want to see a second Jolla device someday so their first device must be a success

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

if only lumia 1020/808 can run sailfish:) that is a better camera hardware

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that is a brilliant statement! This will be awsome jolla week.we need a countdown.
Tuesday is without a doubt the best day to release the full spec.
I want that jolla phone.

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can i know what the disadvantages of android hardware compatibility are?