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OVK	2013-09-18 09:10

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

There is a countdown on the jolla.com for the start of the second pre-order campaign.

23 hours and 50 minutes to go at the moment.

aQUICK1

2013-09-18 09:15

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by OVK (Post 1374981)

There is a countdown on the jolla.com for the start of the second pre-order campaign.

23 hours and 50 minutes to go at the moment.

Yes i saw it already, but only for Finland, sadly.

Dave999

2013-09-18 09:17

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by OVK (Post 1374981)

There is a countdown on the jolla.com for the start of the second pre-order campaign.

23 hours and 50 minutes to go at the moment.

now we are talking! Jolla has finally learned something. A countdown is always needed and make it more exciting...

BR
Countdown Master

Hariainm

2013-09-18 19:55

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1374864)

No. libhybris is not a replacement for bioinc to run anything from Android. It's another way around. It replaces some parts of bionic in the context of certain bionic based libraries (such as GPU userspace blobs), to enable running glibc based code while using those libraries.

I.e. it works like this (if I understood correctly):

Linux Application <-> Wayland <-> bionic based blob <-> libhybris <-> glibc

That's because in normal case it would be (well in the best case it won't be a blob at all, it would be a kernel driver, but that's a different story):

Linux Application <-> Wayland <-> glibc based blob <-> glibc.

It has nothing to do with running Android applications.

Come here to say the same.

Rouge speaking, libhybris is not to run android apps, was made to run, but not exclusive, closed android gfx drivers in whatever android supported SoC with whatever graphic server you want (X11, Wayland) and make the bionic -> glibc translation. Has nothing to do with Myriad Dalvik or emulation.

EDIT: stskeeps himself explains it better than i do

Dave999

2013-09-18 20:26

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Stskeeps rules! Great text. I like him better when he communicate his smart thoughts that way than small and cryptic posts here.

Keep up the cool work.

qwazix

2013-09-18 22:05

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

If it can translate a driver, it can also translate any other binary. You still need a dalvik implementation (where possibly the 3rd party technology comes in) but native android apps can be run on gnu/linux with libhybris.

Hariainm

2013-09-18 22:40

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1375150)

Of course. As said, is not only exclusive for drivers, also other binaries, libraries... but what i meant is that libhybris was created, not only, but with the first purpose in mind, of being able to use all the SoCs / mobile platforms with Android support (Snapdragon, Tegra, Exynos, NovaThor...) in a non-android mobile distribution, and not having the restrictions of using only one platform (OMAP, which is a great and well documented platform, but TI is one of the very few companies offering Linux support in their products)

jalyst

2013-09-19 05:32

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1375150)

Perhaps their current collaboration with Myriad is substantially different to what we originally heard many mths ago...
Perhaps libhybris is now far more central to Sailfish's ACL than was originally planned, or perhaps not, we just don't know enough yet.

willi6868

2013-09-19 09:07

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Second Pre-order is open for Finland now:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jolla.com

Pre-order your Jolla today

Pre-order your Jolla smartphone and join the movement. A quality Jolla pipo for the winter is included. We will deduct the 100€ of the price of your Jolla when it becomes available for the final purchase.

Participate in the pre-order campaign and purchase the device when it becomes available. Pay no more than 399 € (including VAT). The 100€ discount is valid through 30th of June 2014 - it is personal and non-transferable, nor can it be exchanged for money. No purchase necessary.

The Jolla pipo will be shipped 2 to 4 weeks after the campaign has ended. We will inform you via e-mail when your Jolla is ready to be shipped.

Previous pre-orders will be prioritised.

FAQ

Login with existing account or fill in the info below

Badly there are no new pictures or specifications released... :eek:

soryuuha

2013-09-19 09:10

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by willi6868 (Post 1375235)

Second Pre-order is open for Finland now:

Badly there are no new pictures or specifications released... :eek:

lets wait till end of this week..

Mikkosssss

2013-09-19 09:12

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

502 Bad Gateway

Cant older :(

Edit: Done! :D

napaDokc

2013-09-19 09:22

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikkosssss (Post 1375239)

502 Bad Gateway

Cant older :(

Yeah, something's wrong with the website.. Too many orders??? :D

"Login failed, please check your username and password"

juiceme

2013-09-19 09:32

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by napaDokc (Post 1375246)

Yeah, something's wrong with the website.. Too many orders??? :D

"Login failed, please check your username and password"

Well it works for me, maybe it's blocked for people logging in from outside finland??

It seems only the 100eur preorder is available now, and instead of the Jolla t-shirt, now you get a Jolla Beanie. (which is nice really as winter is coming! :D)

cvp	2013-09-19 09:37

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Pre order is still working:
https://join.jolla.com/fi/orders/new?order[bundle_id]=5

Quote:

Badly there are no new pictures or specifications released...

yeah ... it s**ks little bit... but we can only wait... wait..... wait

Quote:

Well it works for me, maybe it's blocked for people logging in from outside finland??

Nope, i am stay in Germany and works ;)

napaDokc

2013-09-19 09:41

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Indeed it works now :) Unfortunately, I can't order it.. But congrats to all of you who did (the Fins i suppose ;)).

Akkumaru

2013-09-19 10:08

They should really update the pictures, I mean, they've shown the new ones, how hard is it to replave a picture on a website?!

Mikkosssss

2013-09-19 10:32

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Email says that phones are sent in buy older.
So when you can preolder from other countries be fast. :D

Rauha

2013-09-19 11:23

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Beanie > T-shirt

:(:confused::(

Early adopter remorse before I even have the thing.

myname24

2013-09-19 11:30

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i guess it has practically the same specs as my huawei ascend p1 lte
http://jolla.com/your-jolla/

juiceme

2013-09-19 11:36

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by myname24 (Post 1375270)

i guess it has practically the same specs as my huawei ascend p1 lte
http://jolla.com/your-jolla/

SO it was announced now... Neat :D

Quote:

Easy-to-use, gesture based Sailfish OS
Android™ app compatible
The Other Half expandability with changeable smart covers
Qualcomm Snapdragon™ Dual Core 1.4GHz
Ample 4.5" qHD (960x540) Jolla Estrade display
8MP AF camera with LED flash and 2MP front-facing camera
User-replaceable battery (2100mAh, 3.8V, 7.98Wh)
16GB storage, 1GB RAM, MicroSD
We target to ship by the end of 2

tissot

2013-09-19 11:38

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

All other than screen resolution were no surprise. I was expecting WXGA screen.
Sure, Jolla phone is more of a mid end phone, but WXGA is starting to be quite standard on mid end.

rentze

2013-09-19 11:39

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

"Changeable smart covers". Doesn't smell like the QWERTY is coming.

juiceme

2013-09-19 11:50

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by rentze (Post 1375283)

"Changeable smart covers". Doesn't smell like the QWERTY is coming.

Hey, there's i2c connector in the other half so ANYTHING can be coming :D

Rauha

2013-09-19 11:54

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Seems like this batch is actually sold through the DNA-store, Jolla only beign the middleman (?).

Or at least there's a DNA Kauppa logo on the order page. That would explain why its Finland only.

tissot

2013-09-19 11:55

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Yeah that i2c seems to be indeed quite a positive news. Reading about it seems sound very versatile option to have.

There certainly seems to be much more options than some of the pessimistic views thought about other half after announcement, including me.

rentze

2013-09-19 12:00

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1375288)

Hey, there's i2c connector in the other half so ANYTHING can be coming :D

Yeah, but probably not right away and directly from Jolla...

Rauha

2013-09-19 12:04

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Screen resolution dissapointment. 1gb memory bit so and so, especially if thats supposed to be enough for Android stuff as well (with the usual Android memory bloat).

szymeczek34

2013-09-19 12:10

We all would have prefered to have a hd screen and 4gigs of ram but remember that it's gonna cost 400€ and its their first phone. Also dualcore krait(?) is a nice touch, I remember jolla was supposed to have a novathor chipset.

Mikkosssss

2013-09-19 12:11

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

I hope that atleast video playing is better than n9.

juiceme

2013-09-19 12:11

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1375289)

Seems like this batch is actually sold through the DNA-store, Jolla only beign the middleman (?).

Or at least there's a DNA Kauppa logo on the order page. That would explain why its Finland only.

I really had a spot-on wild guess this morning.
Maybe I should fill in my Lotto tickets now :D

Jedibeeftrix

2013-09-19 12:11

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lol, so when they said "HD" what they really meant was one quarter of HD, but that's okay because qHD still has the letters "H" and "D" in the title!

tissot

2013-09-19 12:16

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1375302)

lol, so when they said "HD" what they really meant was one quarter of HD, but that's okay because qHD still has the letters "H" and "D" in the title!

I think we all found out the screen resolution already. ;) No need to post it on every thread.

Do we know the screen type yet? AMOLED? Probably not.

Rauha

2013-09-19 12:20

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1375305)

I

Do we know the screen type yet? AMOLED? Probably not.

Estrade.

;)

Or maybe qAMOLED. Every fourth pixel is Active-Matrix Organic Light-Emitting Diode.

Kaacz

2013-09-19 14:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1375288)

Hey, there's i2c connector in the other half so ANYTHING can be coming :D

ANYTHING ? Realy ? With 100-400 kHz i2c clock serial bus ? wow ..
I want see any "expand storage" transfer to Jolla phone..
16GB flash transfered in 111 hours ?
LOL

Rauha

2013-09-19 14:55

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaacz (Post 1375339)

ANYTHING ? Realy ? With 100-400 kHz i2c clock serial bus ? wow ..
I want see any "expand storage" transfer to Jolla phone..
16GB flash transfered in 111 hours ?
LOL

Really, you think they called Philips and asked for some early 80's prototypes? Maybe they are using newer versions. Anyway, even that original spec would fast enough for most of things I would like too se on other halfs. Not planning to transfer my music library into it anyway.

Wikipedia:

Recent revisions of I²C can host more nodes and run at faster speeds (400 kbit/s Fast mode, 1 Mbit/s Fast mode plus or Fm+, and 3.4 Mbit/s High Speed mode). These speeds are more widely used on embedded systems than on PCs.

Note the bit rates are quoted for the transactions between master and slave without clock stretching or other hardware overhead. Protocol overheads include a slave address and perhaps a register address within the slave device as well as per-byte ACK/NACK bits. Thus the actual transfer rate of user data is lower than those peak bit rates alone would imply. For example, if each interaction with a slave inefficiently allows only 1 byte of data to be transferred, the data rate will be less than half the peak bit rate.

....

In 1982, the original 100-kHz I²C system was created as a simple internal bus system for building control electronics with various Philips chips.

In 1992, Version 1.0 (the first standardized version) added 400-kHz Fast-mode (Fm) and a 10-bit addressing mode to increase capacity to 1008 nodes.

In 1998, Version 2.0 added 3.4-MHz High-speed mode (Hs) with power-saving requirements for electric voltage and current.

In 2000, Version 2.1[2] introduced a minor cleanup of version 2.0.

In 2007, Version 3.0[3] added 1-MHz Fast-mode plus (Fm+), and a device ID mechanism.

In 2012, Version 4.0[4] added 5-MHz Ultra Fast-mode (UFm) for new USDA and USCL lines using push-pull logic without pull-up resistors, and added assigned manufacturer ID table. This is the most recent standard.

herpderp

2013-09-19 15:51

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

It's still about 2 orders of magnitude slower than plain old USB2. So much for the hardware expansions some people dreamed about (ram, cpu).

Eztran

2013-09-19 16:29

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I seem to recall Sailfish application icons being 90px instead of Harmattan's 80px? If so, in retrospect (well, hindsight has 20/20 vision and all that) the low screen resolution shouldn't be too surprising, or the icons would be hard to use.

In fact, the icons would be the same proportion of the screen on Sailfish as on Harmattan, qHD being almost exactly 9/8 the horizontal and vertical resolution of the N9.

Fuzzillogic

2013-09-19 16:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by herpderp (Post 1375354)

It's still about 2 orders of magnitude slower than plain old USB2. So much for the hardware expansions some people dreamed about (ram, cpu).

Those were silly dreams to begin with RAM and CPU's require very precise timings. Every bit of trace, wire or connector will ruin that very quickly.

I'm fine with I²C. Fast enough for a very broad range of usages, very cheap, very easy to connect to microcontrollers, very easy to develop. USB lacks most of those features.

Heck, using I²C you can connect your mobile directly to an RaspPi or Arduino, which will be great for innovation.

jalyst

2013-09-19 16:39

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Faaaaark, that's ****, @4.5" I was hoping for 720p, if it was still 3.9" or even 4.1" qHD would be okay. :mad:
Everything else is "acceptable", but that display tips this ph over the edge of being unacceptable for me.
And the RAM is crap too, should be 2GB, N9 was very generous in this area, despite being avg (to below avg) in most others.
The "Other Half capabilities better offer true hw augmentation or I'm walking, so pissed right now... :mad:

*EDIT*
Oh ****ing great, I'm now just reading how gloriously hobbled TOH interface is too, ****ing wonderful.
This phone just moved waaaaay down my shopping list, I'll still get one, but a little piece of hope inside me died.
This project's longer-term viability just took massive hit....

Rauha

2013-09-19 17:06

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Found this link from a finnish forum:

Texas Instruments announces first QWERTY-capable I2C

Not directly usable, but at least HW KB should be possible with that interface.

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