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I fear it MAY be an issue in mine, I'll have to double-check...
I vaguely recall such shenanigans with T$ (Telstra) in the past.
But that may have been yrs ago, before gov't bodies caught up.

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I'm ready to bet a largish sum of AUD that it will not be a problem :D

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I have never heard of that, neither have I ever bought a operator locked device.

So you saying the operators ****** with the device? Are you saying that operators lock it on a network level...Fantastic. The world get crazier every day.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

It's rare in the the EU (think impossible nowadays?), but it does/has happened in other parts of the world.

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make an app :cool:

I have "spam" the swedish OP:s on twitter saying: time for them WAKEUP and add Jollaphone as alternative.

So far one has atleast replyied me. I think its the only way. Those OP:s proabadly is feeded with cash from the bigplayers. But if users show some intrests in new companys like Jolla they hopefully listen. Ofcourse Jolla must do theyr job to but....

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Yeah I haven't done that at all, but I don't really feel I should be wasting lots of my time doing that, that's Jolla's job.
I've let then know where I'm from & that I'm interested, maybe I will occasionally, & maybe I'll set-up an Aussie lobbying group of sorts ;-p
Maybe we should setup a template for that, so that everyone in their countries can set-up a similar "franchise" & get a grass roots movement etc going.

Crikey, bed time.....

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Should be asleep now damn it...

Maybe Jolla should try to setup small-scale grass-roots NFP distribution rings in all countries via their Maemo/MeeGo et al fans?
Until such time as big telcos/resellers & retailers start to bite, then they could get those rings to ease-off, so they don't diffuse interest.
To be more explanatory, I mean individual(s) or team(s) would sell dozens (possibly more) of the phones /month to the public.
This would be done on a informal basis, & all proceeds from sales would go back to Jolla, they would take no cut...*
I'm not sure of the legalities of this in my own country, let alone the many others, it may not even be possible to register as a NFP.

It probably only need be done in countries where big telcos/resellers & wholesalers/retailers are persistently showing 0 interest.
If there's 1x of each of the following showing interest: telco, telco_reseller, wholesaler, & retailer, then x country could be scratched.
I imagine this would be tricky to do, as you can't trust everyone to behave ethically, but, it might just help stimulate things in the right way.
I guess you could have a more commercial model, but I think that could get messier, & harder for Jolla to extricate itself from LT.

Thoughts?

*Jolla could also have a method for determining a quota of free phones it gives to devs/public in x country each mth for x period

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i don't think such scenario will happen...Definitely Jolla will support all major GSM/UMTS frequency bands, so can be used in all countries.....long time back India blocked many chinese handsets because of missing / fake IMEI. This was because of security reasons.......

I quoted before the exact feedback that I have got from Jolla CC. So at least first batch won't be available world wide, i believe.

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too many ifs too many maybes and a lot of woulds

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This thread gets weirder by the day with the range of hypothetical nonsense...

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I concur...but at the same time,If they finds it interesting to discuss it, it may not be nonsense to them. Let it fly...

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Does that actually happen? I'd feel like suing them if they don't let me use any device that complies with a mobile standard....

EDIT: Actually, I'd check the contract... they may be in breach, in which case you just change carrier or whatever.

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Well to me it certainly seemed highly unlikely to be practical, crazy enough that it may just help in ways unforeseen.
But, judging by the sound of crickets here, I'm guessing the consensus is that it's a complete dead end...

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Wait... did you just quote and answer yourself?

Me too confused....

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I guess nobody answered in detail to further that speculation on what Jolla should do because in the end; Jolla will hopefully do something that's good for their growth. I'm quite sure there's quite a few people here better versed in discussing what would be a better direction for Jolla's future plans than myself - I tend to look at the gadget, the UI/UX and marketing first, developer interactions and accessibility second, their strategies of infiltration into markets that aren't directly connected to my home areas last - and then go from there.

Simply stated, I want Jolla to come out with something now while there's a bit of a vacuum that exists mainly due to Nokia withdrawing/being purchased by Microsoft and Windows Phone never living up to the 3rd platform talks that Elop repeated incessantly to make people comfortable with it possibly failing and accepting 3rd best.

Jolla needs distribution channels, savvy marketing, a developer's program that embraces devs outside of this forum and perhaps some serious guerrilla marketing that isn't hard to decipher to the layman.

Targeting the Maemo/MeeGo folks is a wrong ploy. All of those devices that Nokia seeded and very few of them landed in people's hands that really would have used them. Too many times have I seen devs use their own money and/or ask for a device from an user that still had it boxed up with dust on it to be donated to them. I'm not preaching that those users were wrong. I'm saying that those kind of "developers" are wrong for Jolla during this startup phase.

I won't name names. But some folks that got the N950 were plain useless and selfish. A repeat of that would be a bad thing.

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To be fair, the commercial program* was hugely scaled down in-the-end, it was minuscule compared to the WP one that they subsequently ramped up. I think they pissed-off a lot of devs through that whole process, many just had sour grapes, not making excuses for poor form of some of them though. And as we all know, N950 just ended-up being a terrible device from which to conduct their dev work in a meaningful/practical way, no idea why it become just as central (or more) as the N9.

So it sounds like you've no real thoughts directly relating to some of the ideas there, no worries, thanks for the feedback anyway, maybe I'll put it directly to Jolla**. They probably won't give me any feedback about whether any of it's been incorporated into, or influenced their plans in some way. But, if it inspires them to think of things they haven't already, or to think in different ways, then that at least is a good thing, I guess.

*let alone the "community" programs
**in a slightly more detailed fashion

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Odd question that begs to be asked...

Why do you think you're qualified enough to tell/ask/discuss what Jolla should do?

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In this area? As I said I don't really....
But much of their own messaging has been to "get involved", & not just in a dev sense.
It's just in that spirit that I act. Plus folks here have often been up for it too.

No thanks for me, juiceme? You seem to be sparing all your thanks for anyone but me lately. :)
I can only assume that means you think everything put up doesn't make sense or you disagree.
I don't suppose you care to weigh-in? Or anyone else for that matter...

I can start a dedicated thread if folks no longer feel this is the Sailfish(Jolla) water-cooler thread?

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Experience Sailfish OS on Jolla by Marc Dillon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y64ja7WBHU8

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In other video profiles were in other place? Right from start screen. Now left from multitasking.
Or we have both?
Also I hope that we can customise swipes/(pushes like Jolla says), I dont need profiles/ambiances in many places. :)

Edit:
Watched wideo again, now watching animations closer and Its so SMOOOOTH!

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Another possibly new feature: there seems to be a settings icon / shortcut in the lock screen (in addition to the shortcut in the pulley menu). I also wonder what the "three" at the top of the lock screen signifies?

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Did anyone notice that in thew video Whatsapp seemed to be a native application (had interactive cover)?

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You mean the icon in the top left corner?
That's a notification stating there's an update available.

What makes you think it was interactive?
It's hardly native when you can see Android's navigation buttons on the cover ;)

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Oh, well I've never used Andoid so I didn't know that.:o Assumed they were cover icons.

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Sorry if this is old, but new videos coming? :)
https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/383148471764520961

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It's a nice video, but I think now would be the time to show something new. What I really like to see is the browser, maps & navigation and maybe an email-client.

Unfortunately neither of them are even close to be ready, otherwise they would have shown them to us already.

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^Read post above yours, sounds like they're planning to release a raft of other videos which reveal much more.

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Great, now we have to just wait and see :)

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That's an unfair assumption - I wouldn't be showing too much if I were Jolla. Hasn't Android copied aspects of the N9 already in one of their many ROMs?

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All people want to see the applications and normal work, so to see how it can handle for example multitasking or what applications would they have if they want to buy it.
If someone want to make android with simuliar UI they can do - as there is emulator with SDK as well as at some point they need to sell phone and UI would be revealed. It would be soon enough while it would be fair for future customers to see what they get and not paying money blindly :)

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But... but... surely that's how it works on any other platform, right? You pay first and then you actually use it and judge it. You may read reviews, play with it brielfly at an electronics store and all that.

I don't think you can copy too much of Sailfish by the SDK, or at least you can copy whatever Jolla wants you to see. I surely hope that they have more surprises. TOH was a nice surprise to me, not that Jolla was the first one with that concept, but it is nice in a mobile phone.

Anyway, like jalyst pointed out and Mikkosssss said, they will make more videos, so patience. You will need to buy the device for a personalised test anyway!

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More news from Jolla, by 3T: http://www.3t.fi/artikkeli/uutiset/t...tietoturvauhka
Jolla answers whether there's a security threat in Android compatability.

Q: Can Android malware make calls or send texts also with Jolla phone?
A: The Android runtime environment is an isolated and independent RTE inside SailfishOS. Sailfish controls all interfaces from that RTE to native interfaces in SailfishOS. Making calls or sending texts happens through cellular RTEs, which are in SailfishOS's supervision.

When it comes to Jolla's appstore solution, it was revealed Jolla is cooperating with a large international company with good reputation. The name of the company wasn't revealed yet, but it was said that the company is already providing content to numerous large OEMs. The appstore in question has it's own malware-scanning and app-approval procedures.

It was also revealed that a local security software with customary security features will come bundled with a Jolla phone as they are cooperating with a known internet security company.

Interviewee: Sami Pienimäki, vice CEO and development manager of Jolla.

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Amazon, stskeeps already hinted as much on Twitter a few days back.

Cool.
I wish they'd reveal much more about mapping/navigation soon.
I hope Nokia's given them full access to all their solutions/tech.

I also hope they've done lots of work towards 1 of more open mapping/navigation platforms.
And set-it-up so that it's easy for the community to jump-in & start improving it right away.

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Not suprised at all if amazon. Its most logical in bussines perspective cause there is no chance they could setup that themselfs... however isn't amazon US company? and Jolla has said SailfishOS is NSA free, yeah right :/

Yet another reason I say: Europe needs to start competition in this area its time setup an competitor to all those big US companys for got sake. But I guess european investors wants theyr money fast grow instead of use the money of european innovations :(

It would be epic fail if they not using nokia maps.

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But is this app store for Android applications only or also for Sailfish applications? If the former, then avoiding using Android applications would sort you out NSA-wise.

At any rate, you have to be quite vigilant legally and tecnically if you want to get away from private companies getting to your data.

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I used to believe that, but then I saw modrana, which runs in multiple devices and is fairly advanced feature wise, and has been done in MartinK's free time (maybe with some help?). What if you dedicate a team of 2-3 proper developers full time? OSM covers more terrain than Nokia Maps.

I say there are options out there!

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I highly doubt something based on OSM would be as good "overall" as something based on Navteq.
Google & it's assets aside, Nokia's the largest & most successful mapping data company in the world.
They need apps which hook into 1 of the 3 big players (is it more/less than that now?), but there should also be completely open apps that use OSM -or similar.

They were "kinda" telling the truth, as they were probably referring to the non-Android portion of the OS.
Maybe it won't be an issue because of this:

Or maybe that's just marketing fooey.... :D

Hopefully it'll be seamless to the end-user, i.e. choose your Android or Sailfish streams etc.
Hopefully you can "switch-off" your Android streams completely if you wish.

+1

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maybe but that also depends on country I guess.

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Of course I agree, but I like where OSM consumer applications are going, and how quickly they are doing it. I was ready to be disappointed re the maps application, honestly, pretty much like with the camera - but now I discovered more potential... I can happily settle for something similar but better polished to modrana in Sailfish OS, offline maps being the key here, which Google and Apple don't implement properly.

BUT if Jolla is hungry regarding your position at all times, well, the maps application may be rubbish. So let's see what happens :-)