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mikecomputing 2013-09-28 17:52
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
howbout sailfishUI in http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html

kollin 2013-09-28 18:06
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1377442)
Puh lease!
Waiting for Hurd is like watching paint dry...

Quote:
That said, the last official release of the Hurd without the Debian parts was 0.2 done in 1997
aand:

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New official releases will be done, as soon as the Hurd is sufficently stable and feature complete.
:rolleyes:

mikecomputing 2013-09-28 21:48
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
http://www.jollausers.com/2013/09/whysailfish/

MartinK 2013-09-28 22:18
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1377442)
Well a new version of HURD was just released:
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/09...ig-14-released
Probably due to the 30th birthday of GNU:
https://www.gnu.org/gnu30/celebration

Morpog 2013-09-29 18:41
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Pictures taken with the Jolla device by Antti Saarnio!

http://abload.de/img/bvvflitciaixrea.jpglaugk7p.jpg

Night mode
http://abload.de/img/bvvhd2ucyai_5ch.jpglavjkgv.jpg

mikecomputing 2013-09-29 21:59
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
http://www.jollausers.com/2013/09/jo...d-marc-dillon/

soryuuha 2013-09-30 03:57
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1377663)
never thought Jolla will give a small damn about camera :)

Rauha 2013-09-30 05:15
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1377663)
http://www.jollausers.com/wp-content...29926126_n.jpg
Pretty horrible colours.

Pic taken in front of the Ateneum (a art museum in Helsinki). The worn off concrete is most definately not green on that street.

Tujutzki 2013-09-30 07:50
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Thatīs me! =D I was wandering whether he would post the picture... I walked past Marc in front of Ateneum in Helsinki last week and he noticed me wearing my Jolla-shirt. He waved me to come over and let me try his Jolla. Unfortunately his Jolla started to vibrate almost at once, apparently he had a notification for a meeting he had to run to and I had to give it back. Didnīt manage to get a good look. =/ Before he darted off however, he told me to wait just a moment because he wanted me to do something as a first one. Suddenly I realised he was taking a picture of me with his Jolla. =D I was quite stunned and overwhelmed (as you can see =). Apparently it was the first time he had taken a picture of someone (in public) with it.

On the picture: I concur, the concrete is not green in real lide, more like reddish, brownish gray. The other colours seem to be more on the spot.

Mikkosssss 2013-09-30 08:46
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Radio Rock Korporaatio interviews (In finnish) someone from Jolla tomorrow. I cant remember who it was. :p

And Tujutzki, was it good vibration or bad and how strong it vibrates? :D

Tujutzki 2013-09-30 09:02
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Thanks for the notice, have to tune in tomorrow.

Definitely a good vibration. =D Quite strong and really noticeable. IIRC the vibration had a quite high frequency and was continuos, as opposed to the "on and off" -type in my N9.

The phone was surprisingly light and not at all too large.

Silwer 2013-09-30 10:17
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tujutzki (Post 1377753)
The phone was surprisingly light and not at all too large.
This is good to know. However, what is your daily phone? Nokia N9? So it is not very much bigger and heavier than N9?

Tujutzki 2013-09-30 10:34
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Yes, I use Nokia N9 as my daily phone. Jolla was a bit bigger and the weight might even have been a bit less than my N9, but I didnīt have time to compare them.

jalyst 2013-09-30 10:47
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1377709)
Pretty horrible colours.
Pic taken in front of the Ateneum (a art museum in Helsinki). The worn off concrete is most definately not green on that street.
The JollaUsers story you quoted (in which the picture's linked) mentioned it was uploaded to FB, so surely compressed & not source picture.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikkosssss (Post 1377749)
Radio Rock Korporaatio interviews (In finnish) someone from Jolla tomorrow. I cant remember who it was. :p
Please provide us with updates if possible, since Jolla often forgets about the world outside Finland...

thedead1440 2013-09-30 14:29
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Jalyst you keep saying they forget about the world outside Finland but if those showing an interest in interviewing them are from Finland mostly they can only accept what is in front of them... If foreign media paid the same attention to them obviously you would see them willingly grab those chances...

So let's stop blaming them when they can't do much other than pimping themselves to foreign media outlets...

jalyst 2013-09-30 16:25
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Well, we don't know that to be strictly the case, in many instances it appears that they're courting the media more-so than the other way around.
As all good start-ups should do. Except that it's usually far more Finnish outlets compared to other countries/regions.
I appreciate that there should be more of an emphasis on Finnish & Northern EU media at this stage.
As that's the region they're targeting initially. But it shouldn't be at the degree to which the emphasis is.
Maybe, hopefully, they'll slowly tweak it's lopsidedness as the roll-out looks likely to extend beyond the limited countries/regions they've confirmed.

xanderx 2013-09-30 16:55
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Must say that photo is like any medium android would produce. But we don't know whether: a) the camera mode was set to appropriate one, b) the resolution was optimal, c) taken from a social crap site, etc. LG Optimus G 13MP camera had not impressed me at first glance, N900 takes by far better photos. But then I discovered HDR mode and was more than satisfied. Still that on-screen shutter button pisses me off.

mrsellout 2013-09-30 17:00
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
If you're talking about the on screen button on the Jolla device, I read a quote somewhere that you could reprogram a volume key to take pictures.

DeeGee 2013-09-30 17:08
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
The specs on Jolla.com got updated.

Qualcomm Snapdragon™ Dual Core 1.4GHz
GSM/3G/4G LTE* (works in 6 continents)
16GB storage, 1GB RAM, MicroSD slot
Ample 4.5" IPS qHD (960x540) display
6-point multi-touch with Gorilla 2™ Glass
8MP AF camera with LED flash and 2MP front-facing camera

WLAN802.11 b/g/n 2.4GHz, Bluetooth 4.0 EDR HS, AGPS & GLONASS, USB2.0 HS.
Extension interfaces for wireless NFC, power in/out and I2C data connectivity.
Proximity, accelerometer, gyro, e-compass and ambient light sensors.
Standard 3.5mm 4-pin audio jack, Micro SIM, standard MicroUSB connectivity and charging.
RGB indicator LED and dual-microphone for noise cancellation.
Talk & stand-by time (approx.): 7.7/5.5hrs (GSM/3G) & 500hrs.
User-replaceable battery (2100mAh, 3.8V, 7.98Wh).
Dimensions (approx.): H131 x W68 x D9.9 mm, weight 141g.

jalyst 2013-09-30 17:08
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Woah, way more specifications are listed on the site now:
https://jolla.com/your-jolla/

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...psc7b6165e.png

xanderx 2013-09-30 17:21
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Rgb led indicator is very pleasant news indeed. Hmm..., no more Estrade display, instead it's IPS one, yoohoo!
OMG! User replaceable battery. The thing is definitely taking the right way.
What is HS in USB2.0 stating for? I guess sort of "high speed".

Mikkosssss 2013-09-30 17:24
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
W0000T notification led! =D
And with colors!

jalyst 2013-09-30 17:38
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Could we actually be very close to announcement & then immediate shipping to the 1st market/s?
Slow clap if that turns out to be the case...

tissot 2013-09-30 17:43
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1377830)
Could we actually be very close to announcement & then immediate shipping to the 1st market/s?
Slow clap if that turns out to be the case...
Nah imo. Comments from Jolla being we are still in the target to ship before the end of this year haven't ever sounded to me anything else than December.
Haven't expected any other month ever since the delay.

EDIT:
Actually this article claims the phone will be available in December, with no info how many units they will have out then.

http://translate.google.com/translat...4%2F66&act=url

Leinad 2013-09-30 18:02
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
IPS-Display -> this means LCD , not OLED -> this means no LPM :(

someone correct me, if this is wrong conclusion.

mikecomputing 2013-09-30 18:02
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1377815)
Well, we don't know that to be strictly the case, in many instances it appears that they're courting the media more-so than the other way around.
As all good start-ups should do. Except that it's usually far more Finnish outlets compared to other countries/regions.
I appreciate that there should be more of an emphasis on Finnish & Northern EU media at this stage.
As that's the region they're targeting initially. But it shouldn't be at the degree to which the emphasis is.
Maybe, hopefully, they'll slowly tweak it's lopsidedness as the roll-out looks likely to extend beyond the limited countries/regions they've confirmed.
sorry say it but nordish media like my country sweden in not intrested in jolla they so ****ing much in bed with android so very hard for jolla get ANY attention also swedish media has not said a world what elop and his team done with nokia :(

DeeGee 2013-09-30 18:06
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leinad (Post 1377838)
IPS-Display -> this means LCD , not OLED -> this means no LPS :(

someone correct me, if this is wrong conclusion.
Yup, that's probably the reason they have added the RGB notification LED. Does anyone have a idea where on the device it is?

jalyst 2013-09-30 18:09
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leinad (Post 1377838)
IPS-Display -> this means LCD , not OLED -> this means no LPS :(

someone correct me, if this is wrong conclusion.
There's some form of LPM, it's more of a hack though & not like what's possible for AMOLED...
But at least we have the RGB LED to make up for that, some actually prefer it, as it catches ones eye from a distance much more.
I personally prefer LPM, but with AMOLED + that res/PPI, it's unlikely the overall IQ of the display would've been good.
At least with IPS it should now be pretty good at that PPI. I want to hear more about the display though, still a bit vague.

jalyst 2013-09-30 18:14
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Is talk.maemo.org loading slowly for anyone else?

Mikkosssss 2013-09-30 18:23
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1377843)
Is talk.maemo.org loading slowly for anyone else?
Nope.
Fast as always on my N9. :)

Silwer 2013-09-30 18:35
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Dimensions and weight also look ok.

tissot 2013-09-30 19:36
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silwer (Post 1377849)
Dimensions and weight also look ok.
Jolla is 131 x 68 x 9.9
Lumia 920 is 130.3 x 70.8 x 10.7mm

It's a bit longer than Lumia 920, though to me that is the exact dimension that can stretch compared to thickness or especially width. Not bad, though not excellent either compared to phones like Moto X.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1377843)
Is talk.maemo.org loading slowly for anyone else?
No problems here.

qwazix 2013-09-30 19:49
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leinad (Post 1377838)
IPS-Display -> this means LCD , not OLED -> this means no LPM :(

someone correct me, if this is wrong conclusion.
No, it's not the right conclusion, though I don't expect LPM.

Nokia 501 701 and 920 among others have LPM on LCD screens, with Asha, Symbian and Windows Phone respectively.

mikecomputing 2013-09-30 19:55
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1377865)
No, it's not the right conclusion, though I don't expect LPM.

Nokia 501 701 and 920 among others have LPM on LCD screens, with Asha, Symbian and Windows Phone respectively.
IPS seems good I definitivly prefer on laptops and desktop screen atleast.

xanderx 2013-09-30 19:58
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
More on IPS from WIKI:

Advantages

IPS panels display consistent, accurate color from all viewing angles and without having any blur.
Unlike TN LCDs, IPS panels do not lighten or show tailing when touched. This is important for touch-screen devices, such as smartphones and tablets.[6]
IPS panels can process high speed signals without data loss by using copper wiring with low resistance values.
IPS Panels offer clear images and stable response time.[6]

Disadvantages

IPS panels require up to 15% more power than TN displays.
IPS panels are more expensive to produce than TN displays.

tissot 2013-09-30 20:23
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xanderx (Post 1377874)
More on IPS from WIKI:

Advantages

IPS panels display consistent, accurate color from all viewing angles and without having any blur.
Unlike TN LCDs, IPS panels do not lighten or show tailing when touched. This is important for touch-screen devices, such as smartphones and tablets.[6]
IPS panels can process high speed signals without data loss by using copper wiring with low resistance values.
IPS Panels offer clear images and stable response time.[6]

Disadvantages

IPS panels require up to 15% more power than TN displays.
IPS panels are more expensive to produce than TN displays.
IPS panels are the norm on none AMOLED phone screen these days. I would expect nothing else from +300 euro device.
IPS itself doesn't tell too much, so it's up to see it in your own eyes before we can say anything about the display quality.

jsun 2013-09-30 20:52
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1377884)
IPS panels are the norm on none AMOLED phone screen these days. I would expect nothing else from +300 euro device.
IPS itself doesn't tell too much, so it's up to see it in your own eyes before we can say anything about the display quality.
Good examples are Nokia Lumia 520 and 620. According to the Nokia's specifications both have IPS displays, but the quality difference is huge when you compare the phones side by side.

RX-51 2013-09-30 22:46
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Wondering whether the Jolla Phone uses capacitive touchscreen or a resistive touchscreen? Did I miss the answer to that question yet?

torcida 2013-09-30 22:59
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RX-51 (Post 1377909)
Wondering whether the Jolla Phone uses capacitive touchscreen or a resistive touchscreen? Did I miss the answer to that question yet?
Is that a serious question!? :D

shmerl 2013-09-30 22:59
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I doubt it's going to be resistive. It doesn't allow multitouch.


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