Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

mass market does not want resistive screen. It will fail if it is resistive

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

can be ... IPS .. OLED... IGZO ....
what matters is usability
http://imageshack.us/a/img59/656/j62a.jpg

Though disappointed on the ppi, I still hope there is something like "clear black display" and "no air gap" to help the display visible under bright light.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I doubt we'll get stuff like that, Jolla's a tiny start-up, I've given up on any aspect of the hw being exciting, even the BQ & aesthetics/design.
Except for maybe TOH, they have to do much more than NFC-triggered sw autorun there, at launch or closely after launch, or it's FAIL.
The only other area in which they "might" redeem themselves is sw/ecosystem, it's mostly about that, will it be enough, I really hope so.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I would have preferred AMOLED because of the LPM info screen. Notification LED is just not enough for me anymore after using N9 boosted with Billboard.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Totally agree

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

And here is link: http://www.radiorock.fi/kanava/ohjel...lla-puhelimeen

I cant listen it now but someone else might. :)

And heres another podcast: http://www.radiorock.fi/kanava/ohjel...ytiin%E2%80%9D

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

http://taskumuro.com/jollan-myyntijo...ty-nappaimisto

*At the end of the interview, Pyykkö told us that the phone will make it to Christmas-sale in Finland with operator DNA.

Good to hear this, as usually when someone say at the end of the year, it often means at the beginning of next year or so.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

but begins the christmas sale not before christmas? like end from november / begin dezember??

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

FYI:

http://s7.directupload.net/images/131001/uwe4pj8i.jpg

6-point multi-touch

Source: http://jolla.com/your-jolla/

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I agree with Kozzi´s assesment. Pyykkö mentioned the Christmas sale in such a way (Joulumarkkinoille tullaan = We´ll be taking part in the pre Christmas sales) that I would interpret the sales to begin early(/mid) December, at least in Finland. Of course that would still be quite late, but I won´t get get my hopes up. It they manage to get it out earlier it will be a pleasant surprise. =)

Edit: Not much else worth mentioning. He has toured Europe talking to operators.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Christamas sales begin so early these days.... insanity that has only marginally something to do with christmas.

Could mean just about anything between late october - december 24th. But yeah, propably early late november / early december.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

How are you going to use 6 point multitouch? With 2 hands?

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Sometimes 2 hands are better than one, no sexual innuendo or pun intended ;-)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I fully disagree. Remember that there was a separate, "non public" N950 device program that distributed way more N950s than all the "Community device programs" together. The first N950 that appeared in eBay was from this alternate program (different specs).
Of course, by now there are a lot of the "community" N950s on ebay. Shame on them.

I think the alternate programs were the disastrous ones.
Just look at the list of applications I linked, and you will find how many of the most important N9/50 programs (specially during early days) are on that list. Those programs wouldn't have materialized without a community device program.


Basically, Jolla's story regarding useful applications seems to be "Well, we'll get them from Android". The only current source of native applications is the Maemo/MeeGo crowd! Which are so enthusiastic that are paying for the devices out of their pockets.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Excellent point, it'd crossed my mind to raise that at the time but it was deviating from what I'd previously raised & wanted to discuss.

To be fair, we don't yet know for sure that they won't have any sort of device program, but they better get moving on that real soon.


I'll just leave this here.... ;-P
http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb/
https://github.com/nemomobile-packages

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Jolla is so damn small now so I beleive they would ever consider "hire" those developers instead of setup a developer program. I mean there is already some who was made apps before and now is hired THP etc... and if more people comes up with good apps they probadly get hired at jolla to atleast work on distance.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Yes, some years ago in Brazil I have seen some public relations events where many Nokia smartphones were given to press people, actors, etc. Everybody but developers... In 2011 I've also the information (from some Nokians) that some Nokia N950 were in Brazil without use, by mistake...

Remember that the Nokia Lumia device program in 2011/2012 has sent 25,000 Lumia 800 & 710 for developers, not counting other Lumia developer programs in 2012 and 2013. It is way more than approx. 1,000 Nokia N9/N950 sent for MeeGo developers.

So, the Nokia N9/N950 developer programs were not a waste of resources, instead they should be increased, IMHO.

Many Sailfish developers are already working with the Sailfish SDK, without any device. Many will pay from their pockets to have a Sailfish smartphone. I prefer to pay to develop to a good mobile OS (Maemo/MeeGo/Sailfish) than to have free smartphone to develop to a dumbed down mobile OS (Windows Phone, etc).

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

From twitter

"sail is set for jolla world where should we hold it?"

http://twitter.com/AnttiSaarnio/stat...354050/photo/1

hmmmmmm

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I'm quite sure the absolute no's were higher than that in 2011, & ofc much higher as time went on into 2012/13, can't find the correct sources ATM.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Looking good:

http://www.taloussanomat.fi/tietolii...low_story_list

Danish operator 3 has started pre-orders for Jolla! http://www.3.dk/d/jolla/

3 is part of Hutchison Whampoa, which if Honk Kong based company owning 10 operators globally.
"In global markets, Hutchison Asia Telecommunications (HAT) holds HWL’s interest in mobile operations in Indonesia, Vietnam and Sri Lanka, while 3 Group Europe operates businesses in Italy, the UK, Sweden, Denmark, Austria and Ireland."

http://www.hutchison-whampoa.com/en/global/home.php

I may have heard of another promising deal too ;)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Nice!

I wonder where their pre-orders stand in line, compared with the 1st and 2nd ('Finland only') pre-orders rounds that we already know about.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Coulda sworn they were in the Australasian region too...
This is biggest news we've heard for many mth, could be critical in getting the right sort of momentum, please share that "other promising deal" ASAP!

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

A blog post by Jolla's CTO Stefano Mosconi: Jolla: community and innovation

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

He spoke about not being open as in "not telling what they are doing" right away. Yet, he didn't really clarify about how this translates to before and after the release, and whether they'll open up code later, and will make the development more open as well.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

HTC has 16K employees. Nokia 97K. Sony 146K. LG 220K. Samsung 425K. We are 80 (no Ks here, just 80).

...

We are so tiny that our company is probably the size of the cleaning department in any of the companies mentioned above.

Good point, people here should think about that before bitching here!

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Well, open source != open development, although they to exactly that in most parts of SailfishOS.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I like the whole blogpost except the part of Apple. Sure, iPhone didn't break because of spec, but iPhone had a design(read screen) and GUI like no one else. Sure jolla has a new os, but the concept of the device brings nothing that makes the masses through their current phone away.

I wish them good luck though.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Question is what of the stuff from Jolla SailfishOS does to be opened atm? I think open up everything is not the biggest issue for the community atm.

I think the biggest issue is that there is too few involved in mer/nemo from the community side. For example were are all the open source sailfishapps?

How many is ported from harmattan to nemo, sailfish so far?

Its so damn easy to critizise companys for not being open but what about the community too using the time to port existing apps to start with that?

And latter on we can talk about what is important to open up.

However there ARE stuff they could tell us for example what apps will be chipped from start.

* Is there a native spotify client or should we ask the community participaten to make a good one?

* What about diaspora integration


and so on..

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I guess some folks missed this :)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Noone can trust that claim (saying) anyway, if there is closed source somewhere in the kernel (drivers) or in the UX. It has to be openly verify-able with OSS which anyone can compile from scratch oneself. Only then it can be claimed (and Bruce Schneier can say "ok".)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

80% MeR/Nemo is not to be sneezed at. If we can take them at their word on that figure...
Then we need only look at what's being done in those projects to get a pretty good idea of how Sailfish is shaping up.
I just wish they could be specific about what components aren't open, & which of those probably won't ever be.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Android drivers via libhybris is some of them. Like NFC NFCmidlayer and GFX drivers atleast it seems so if looking at the libhybris progress.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Is it now confirmed 100% sure we will see it this side of new year?

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Nope, there's still a chance it could slip a bit.
A small chance, but nonetheless still a chance.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Hmm, would this be the correct thread to share the latest helsingin sanomat article:

A new article of Jolla in Helsingin Sanomat (paywall, Finnish)

There was not that much new in the article, but:
1) the announcement by Hurmola Jolla being available by the end of 2012 was not based on facts and he was let go from the company. (as Ive expected it to be)
2) The second delay was caused by STEricsson killing their SOC manufacturing, which would have made Spring 2013 availability possible. Jolla had to change to Qualcomm and made a technology strategy change to support Android hw and decrease hw related risks
3) they are even considering about the possibility that OS can be dowloaded/bought separately from hw. In any case the OS business is primary for them.

In the linked video they show briefly the typical usage pattern (nothing new again). And talk about multi-tasking. They surely need the new Communications Director to build more credible story. To the mass market the term multitasking has no value at all. They need to either get more exact examples of the multitasking benefits or come up with new features such as NSA-free etc. Also, in all communication they should state the different segments - at least average Joe and geek - and which benefits for which user segments are of value.

http://www.hs.fi/tekniikka/Jolla+hal...a1381482361938

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

New article about Jolla in today's Helsingin Sanomat:

http://www.hs.fi/tekniikka/Jolla+hal...?ref=hs-top4-2

Not much new stuff there but:
-It looks that Jolla can reach their target to deliver first orders before end of the year.
-Apparently first given schedule for start of sales (last winter) was miscommunication from previous CEO (Hurmola).

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Few other findings still:
-Jolla had to change the SoC to Qualcomm during spring.
-At the same time they decided (due above big changes to SoC) to change the strategy so that Sailfish can be installed to typical Android-phone.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

So we can install it on our Android phones. I or likely than on my n9 maybe.