maemo.org - Talk
Page 32 of 72 « First 223031 32 333442 Last »
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

maemo.org - Talk (https://talk.maemo.org/index.php)
-   Jolla1 & TOH (https://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=56)
-   -   #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90142)

jalyst 2013-10-12 15:21
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1380185)
So we can install it on our Android phones.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...12#post1374712
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...34#post1374734

jalyst 2013-10-12 15:25
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JiiHoo (Post 1380179)
-Apparently first given schedule for start of sales (last winter) was miscommunication from previous CEO (Hurmola).
Whatever happened to him, I tried quite a few times to get an idea from Sailors, but the response was always ridiculously vague.

Dave999 2013-10-12 16:48
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I take that as yes.

jalyst 2013-10-12 17:00
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Take it as whatever you want, Dave...
Info. as it arrives is rarely (if ever) absorbed by you, so it doesn't matter.

Dave999 2013-10-12 17:13
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I would beat you in a jolla quiz, jalyst. You are reading almost everything the wrong way. But at least you are reading. I'm not since I'm here to lead, not to read.

jalyst 2013-10-12 17:16
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1380217)
I would beat you in a jolla quiz, jalyst. You are reading almost everything the wrong way.
But at least you are reading. I'm not since I'm here to lead, not to read.
+1 #Dave_Winning_Duh.
*Bed time for me*

One final link, someone *claims* to already have the phone!?
https://twitter.com/kwljz/status/388969008185475072

Dave999 2013-10-12 17:17
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1380219)
+1
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/9QS0q3mGPGg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Fix you link plz. You want me to help you?

Good night, sleep well. breakfast for me.

Rauha 2013-10-12 18:00
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JiiHoo (Post 1380179)
New article about Jolla in today's Helsingin Sanomat:

http://www.hs.fi/tekniikka/Jolla+hal...?ref=hs-top4-2

Not much new stuff there but:
-It looks that Jolla can reach their target to deliver first orders before end of the year.
-Apparently first given schedule for start of sales (last winter) was miscommunication from previous CEO (Hurmola).
It also says that phone was delayed from summer to winter due to changing chipset for the phone.

I understand that as meaning that the original plan was indeed to use ST-Ericsson stuff and things went downhill with ST-Ericsson's downhill.

Dave999 2013-10-12 18:03
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I knew it. It was delayed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1380219)

One final link, someone *claims* to already have the phone!?
https://twitter.com/kwljz/status/388969008185475072
Hope it's a real leak. I want to see the browser and navigation. Would be great if we finally could get some info.

Anyone with twitter ready to ask for more images to see if this is real or fake?

andy_con 2013-10-12 18:36
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
am in the UK and would love a jolla, to save me reading 125 pages is there any indication of when I may be able to get one?

id love a replacement for my n9

RX-51 2013-10-12 18:38
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1380226)

Hope it's a real leak. I want to see the browser and navigation. Would be great if we finally could get some info.

Anyone with twitter ready to ask for more images to see if this is real or fake?
Should be easily trackable by Jolla, IMEI left visible on the mobile screen/ picture posted

https://twitter.com/kwljz/status/388.../photo/1/large

https://twitter.com/kwljz/status/388.../photo/1/large

mikecomputing 2013-10-12 18:46
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1380219)
+1 #Dave_Winning_Duh.
*Bed time for me*

One final link, someone *claims* to already have the phone!?
https://twitter.com/kwljz/status/388969008185475072
if this is a leak/stolen he/she deserves to be banned from the community and ignored from now on !!!

Thoke 2013-10-12 18:47
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1380195)
Whatever happened to him, I tried quite a few times to get an idea from Sailors, but the response was always ridiculously vague.
Well they have clearly decided not to share that info, so I don't think it as being as "ridiculously" vague. Completely understandable.

IMO he probably resigned due to messing something up badly, bad press communication, or was forced due disagreements between him and other stockholders (maybe the other stockholders didn't like the way he led the company?) Dunno.

Dave999 2013-10-12 18:52
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1380238)
if this is a leak/stolen he/she deserves to be banned from the community and ignored from now on !!!
If it's stolen, yes. But if he bought it I hope he shares. This is actually what jolla needs.

Jordi 2013-10-12 19:06
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Seems legit as these pictures are new (never seen). Good news regarding the build quality.

tissot 2013-10-12 19:21
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JiiHoo (Post 1380179)
New article about Jolla in today's Helsingin Sanomat:

http://www.hs.fi/tekniikka/Jolla+hal...?ref=hs-top4-2

Not much new stuff there but:
-It looks that Jolla can reach their target to deliver first orders before end of the year.
-Apparently first given schedule for start of sales (last winter) was miscommunication from previous CEO (Hurmola).
Some pretty interesting "good to know" type of info there. Why the delay from summer happened and so on.

Thinking of the future, the mention of Sailfish coming available for download to "somewhere". It would be amazing if Jolla would be available for download by HTC or Jolla for that specific hardware. HTC one for example. Would love that and happily pay for that software and support.

Jolla aligns their strategy not to be about selling hardware, but getting Sailfish to other manufacturers. Part of the reason for going that strategy is the unification of phone hardware.
Totally agree with that. Imo pure mobile phone manufacturers will see expensive smartphones turning into a general goods (like basic phones) sooner than you might think. It's a another thing does Jolla have anything really special to offer against others. Android will keep ruling, maybe even more dominant than it is now.

mikecomputing 2013-10-12 19:42
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1380242)
Some pretty interesting "good to know" type of info there. Why the delay from summer happened and so on.

Thinking of the future, the mention of Sailfish coming available for download to "somewhere". It would be amazing if Jolla would be available for download by HTC or Jolla for that specific hardware. HTC one for example. Would love that and happily pay for that software and support.

Jolla aligns their strategy not to be about selling hardware, but getting Sailfish to other manufacturers. Part of the reason for going that strategy is the unification of phone hardware.
Totally agree with that. Imo pure mobile phone manufacturers will see expensive smartphones turning into a general goods (like basic phones) sooner than you might think. It's a another thing does Jolla have anything really special to offer against others. Android will keep ruling, maybe even more dominant than it is now.
Well if 3rdparty phones get Jolla the first one who deserve it is N9...

Rauha 2013-10-12 19:52
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1380242)

Jolla aligns their strategy not to be about selling hardware, but getting Sailfish to other manufacturers. Part of the reason for going that strategy is the unification of phone hardware.
Totally agree with that. Imo pure mobile phone manufacturers will see expensive smartphones turning into a general goods (like basic phones) sooner than you might think. It's a another thing does Jolla have anything really special to offer against others. Android will keep ruling, maybe even more dominant than it is now.
Yup theres a bit in there where the current CEO says that their plan is to get 80% of their income come from the Sailfish OS (Note not from the hardware).

Whetever they succeed is another matter, but both you and Jolla CEO are dead right IMHO. Smartphone hardware is becoming a penny business like PC hardware, and the money will be on the OS. That is propably the reason why the finnish title of that article translates as "Jolla wants to be the Google of mobile, not the Nokia".

Dave999 2013-10-12 20:01
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Something is wrong here. Software OS is also penny market...people won't pay much for a os today.

Something is fishy with this article or you reading it wrong.

Rauha 2013-10-12 20:10
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1380248)
Something is wrong here. Software OS is also penny market...people won't pay much for a os today.

Something is fishy with this article or you reading it wrong.
Nope.

Something is is wrong with your head instead. Just ask Microsoft or Google about OS being a penny market.

Edit and post scriptum:

Its not about people being willing to pay for OS. It's about zillions of euros in profit being made from operating systems, while 'the people' could not even give a half-assed definition for what an operating system is.

Dave999 2013-10-12 20:28
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Dude, jolla is not google or Microsoft...

But hey if jolla want to sell sailfish for 200 euro...

I think they need to go with hw/sw model and try to get operators on board or bought by a bigger fish.

tissot 2013-10-12 20:39
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1380253)
I think they need to go with hw/sw model and try to get operators on board or bought by a bigger fish.
That's what they are doing. What do you think is the benefit of of keeping the OS to them only? It benefits Jolla in so many levels to have the OS as widely out there as possible.


Out of interest. Do you believe smartphone market will look the same in 6 years? Do you believe there will be high end phones or will it all be big grey sea of phones?

Dave999 2013-10-12 20:56
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
We must for sure focus on jolla and what they are and the options they have. Google and Microsoft comes from another time and other areas.

Jolla can't afford to step 6 years into the future,they need to find a model that flies next year.

My guess is that there will be great value in hw in 6 years but more custom able for the user and same with the price point. Oses will be almost free. What you have to pay for as end user is other packages, services and extensions.

Nano will break "very" soon...

Edit: Not really sure what we are discussing. My point was, don't drop the hw.

Rauha 2013-10-12 21:24
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1380256)
Edit: Not really sure what we are discussing. My point was, don't drop the hw.
From what I understand, they aren't dropping the hardware. Instead they are using the hardware in order to sell the OS to hardware manufacturers. Also, as usual with startups, that's just the current plan used to milk capital from venture capitalists. I'm sure they'll go with whatever business model that allows them to pay for salaries and investors.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1380254)

Out of interest. Do you believe smartphone market will look the same in 6 years? Do you believe there will be high end phones or will it all be big grey sea of phones?
Not asked from me, but I would like to answer anyway.

Yeah, there will be high end phones 6 years from now on, with the same ridicilous profit margins as today. But it will just Apple and maybe Samsung (or whoever might take Samsung's spot) selling those. Apple because of what they do and because they have literally several decades of experience in selling with high-end pricing in mature markets (Macintosh). Samsung / someone else besides Apple because there will be enough people with too much money to spend on phones six years from now.

But the smartdevice market will have matured by then and both by far and overwhelmingly most of money will be on the gray devices, as you put it. Maybe -and hopefully- Jolla will have big enough share of that enormous piece of pie.

jalyst 2013-10-13 04:46
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thoke (Post 1380239)
Well they have clearly decided not to share that info, so I don't think it as being as "ridiculously" vague. Completely understandable.
IMO he probably resigned due to messing something up badly, bad press communication, or was forced due disagreements between him and other stockholders (maybe the other stockholders didn't like the way he led the company?) Dunno.
There was an okay official & non-vague explanation given to me/us once (after lots of time wasting), so my earlier assertion was wrong.
I just can't recall all the detail any more, & so I was hoping someone else could, but apparently not...

Quote:
Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1380242)
Thinking of the future, the mention of Sailfish coming available for download to "somewhere". It would be amazing if Jolla would be available for download by HTC or Jolla for that specific hardware. HTC one for example. Would love that and happily pay for that software and support.
Jolla aligns their strategy not to be about selling hardware, but getting Sailfish to other manufacturers. Part of the reason for going that strategy is the unification of phone hardware.
Totally agree with that. Imo pure mobile phone manufacturers will see expensive smartphones turning into a general goods (like basic phones) sooner than you might think. It's a another thing does Jolla have anything really special to offer against others. Android will keep ruling, maybe even more dominant than it is now.
Many of the points you've made here aren't very clear, I don't suppose you could paraphrase all the points you're trying to make.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1380246)
Yup theres a bit in there where the current CEO says that their plan is to get 80% of their income come from the Sailfish OS (Note not from the hardware). Whetever they succeed is another matter, but both you and Jolla CEO are dead right IMHO. Smartphone hardware is becoming a penny business like PC hardware, and the money will be on the OS. That is propably the reason why the finnish title of that article translates as "Jolla wants to be the Google of mobile, not the Nokia".
Okay that's clearer (for at least one of the points being made), & I 100% concur....

Okay, now he's just trolling.... ;-P
https://twitter.com/kwljz/status/389143981894152192

Dave999 2013-10-13 07:38
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
We still don't know if he has the phone or not. It can still be a scam.

Hope we'll see something soon... Or its fake.

Can someone please ask him about browser?

thedead1440 2013-10-13 08:14
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1380238)
if this is a leak/stolen he/she deserves to be banned from the community and ignored from now on !!!
This is the most bs sentiment I have seen... When there were people posting about Nokia's phones did you express such a sentiment?

I do admit I haven't read that guys time line to know the full picture but even if he stole it, only the law can take any action against him. There is no such thing as banning and ignoring... If you want to ignore on a personal level do it but don't express hate that borders on fanaticism!

Jolla is for-profit organisation so please people stop behaving as if it's a religion and any slight on them is perceived as a personal slight.

jalyst 2013-10-13 08:47
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Well, Jolla's chairman def. knows about the guy now ;)
https://twitter.com/AnttiSaarnio/sta...58647588438016
Ofc, it could all be a hoax, but it's not looking that way so far.

Dave999 2013-10-13 09:15
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
James twang...cheater ;)

Hope we will see some NSA-style leak soon :D

Leaks are not all that bad(as long as it won't leak personal stuff). It gives jolla some great publicity they couldn't create on their own. AT the same time its bad because its not on jollas terms. But we can't blame this guy for that. Jolla messed up and this guy bought the phone. I would also buy a jolla phone now if I could.

If this is a trollhoax it's even more fun if jolla chairmen invest time in this LOL. It would be the Hoax of the year...EPIC!

if its true jolla should pay this guy $10 000 to get this phone back. if they want it back that is :D

Very interesting to follow this...

mikecomputing 2013-10-13 09:33
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1380310)
This is the most bs sentiment I have seen... When there were people posting about Nokia's phones did you express such a sentiment?

I do admit I haven't read that guys time line to know the full picture but even if he stole it, only the law can take any action against him. There is no such thing as banning and ignoring... If you want to ignore on a personal level do it but don't express hate that borders on fanaticism!

Jolla is for-profit organisation so please people stop behaving as if it's a religion and any slight on them is perceived as a personal slight.
fanaticism LOL. I guess you are to young to understand that it may hurt bussines for new company if anything get leaked or stolen!? I can tell you that it has nothing to do with fanaticism. I am also working for a small company as sw consult so I know what would happen to us if or client HW get copied or stolen.

I don't say below is the case but:

he said in the tweet that "he bought it from a guy in xxx" it sound like its stolen (not buy him but the guy who sold it). lets say that this phone has been stolen from factory or when transported and now there is a bash out with stolen devices sold in EU. If thats the case its very bad.

Only idiots does think that is good for an upstart. Now if this happened to Nokia they would have big resources to start investigation on it and make sure they stoped sell them. Small companys has not those resources.

So lets hope its only some Jolla employer sold it when he was "out on a pub, drinking to mush" or something because if so worst case would be he/she gets fired...

Dave999 2013-10-13 10:43
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1380323)
fanaticism LOL. I guess you are to young to understand that it may hurt bussines for new company if anything get leaked or stolen!? I can tell you that it has nothing to do with fanaticism. I am also working for a small company as sw consult so I know what would happen to us if or client HW get copied or stolen.

I don't say below is the case but:

he said in the tweet that "he bought it from a guy in xxx" it sound like its stolen (not buy him but the guy who sold it). lets say that this phone has been stolen from factory or when transported and now there is a bash out with stolen devices sold in EU. If thats the case its very bad.

Only idiots does think that is good for an upstart. Now if that happened to Nokia they would have big recourses to start investigation on it and make sure they guys get jailed. Small companys has not.

So lets hope its only some Jolla employer sold it when he was "out on a pub, drinking to much" because if so worst case would be he/she gets fired...

It's not automatically hurting a small company more than a big one. In fact, it is not even sure its bad for sales.

I doubt anyone copying jolla design now. Firstly, its not that unique and the basics are already out there. secondly, why copy a unproven design? it doesn't make sense.

Mike sit tight in the boat please. No need to rock the boat...

jalyst 2013-10-13 10:51
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1380320)
James twang...cheater ;)
:confused: 10char

Dave999 2013-10-13 11:05
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1380339)
:confused: 10char
James twang ‏@JediTWang 5h
@AnttiSaarnio
Does your "Eye or Mordor" see how this guy got one of your phones!? https://twitter.com/kwljz

:p

mrsellout 2013-10-13 11:07
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I just noticed Antti Saarnio's past Twitter photos, and damn, Jolla really are going after Nokia:
http://t.co/5CrPFIB18w

I actually need a pair of these and a pipo, if Jolla really are listening, they need to open a clothing webstore.

Edit: And On Topic, it's a bit weird that @kwljz's tweets since have been made on Twitter for Ipad, Mobile Web (M5)[?], and Web. And has this OS version popped up anywhere else yet? [0.98.0.295]

jalyst 2013-10-13 11:42
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1380341)
James twang ‏@JediTWang 5h
@AnttiSaarnio
Does your "Eye or Mordor" see how this guy got one of your phones!? https://twitter.com/kwljz

:p
Yeah... And? That's the link I shared:

Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1380316)
Well, Jolla's chairman def. knows about the guy now ;)
https://twitter.com/AnttiSaarnio/sta...58647588438016
Ofc, it could all be a hoax, but it's not looking that way so far.

Dave999 2013-10-13 11:53
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1380351)
Yeah... And? That's the link I shared:
Yes, so can you put 2 plus 2 together and figure it out what I meant? :D

Let me help you, with the language of the twitts

James twang = The Nazgūl

jalyst 2013-10-13 12:16
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I've no idea what your blathering on about, regardless, this is getting way beyond the bounds of being minutely interesting.
Folks who hang here, want to get the latest snippets of info about Jolla/Sailfish, nothing more or less, can we zip it now plz.

jalyst 2013-10-13 13:04
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
https://twitter.com/kwljz/status/389368903346188288
Jolla needs to convince this fool to return this alpha-ware...
If he's not clued-up enough to post technically profound/interesting stuff, what's the point.
If it was Brian Klug from Anandtech, ArsTech, or one of the brains from the Maemo/MeeGo community, it might make sense.

Dave999 2013-10-13 13:07
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Would be great if anyone could ask him for an image as confirmation. Still not sure he actually has the phone in his possession. Without the phone his comments are just like anybody in this forum. Guesses.

Or will you post every single twitt from this guy without a confirmation?

cvp 2013-10-13 15:06
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
was cool if somebody can explain how to get a full image :)


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:21.
Page 32 of 72 « First 223031 32 333442 Last »
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

vBulletin® Version 3.8.8