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mikecomputing

2013-10-13 15:36

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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1380363)

https://twitter.com/kwljz/status/389368903346188288
Jolla needs to convince this fool to return this alpha-ware...
If he's not clued-up enough to post technically profound/interesting stuff, what's the point.
If it was Brian Klug from Anandtech, ArsTech, or one of the brains from the Maemo/MeeGo community, it might make sense.

that one of the reason people should block him on twitter,..

jalyst

2013-10-13 15:58

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Give him "benefit of the doubt" for a bit longer, he may post something more long-form & clued-up, on his own blog etc.
If he does, he should have it clearly explained at the start that he's testing/using alpha-ware...

gerbick

2013-10-13 16:41

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If that person is indicative of who Jolla "gives" phones to - assuming it's not stolen, black market or whatever - then my faith is already being tested.

mikecomputing

2013-10-13 16:57

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1380392)

If that person is indicative of who Jolla "gives" phones to - assuming it's not stolen, black market or whatever - then my faith is already being tested.

I doubt JollaHQ did know about this. looks more like an employer was to drunk friday night or something.... Or leak from factory...

Dave999

2013-10-13 18:19

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IF he really had the Phone. Wouldnt he break some good useful **** by now. I dont think he has one.

Let's hope he proves me wrong and release some kickass Video! :D

Dave999

2013-10-14 16:26

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No, he talked with Jolla CEO and returning the device. Might be the right thing to do.

I hope he is handsomely repaid by jolla.
Hope jolla running a tight ship from now on...

Still not sure he had the device...hope jolla telling us how they lost a device. I want proof of this story and runway device.

Boring end on epic story...

jalyst

2013-10-14 16:28

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Well, that didn't last long...
http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7a499101.png
http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3f036b66.png
No idea if he's full of **** or if he really did talk to CEO or Chairman (which is the guy I originally contacted).

Dave999

2013-10-14 16:33

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Contact the eye of mordor again plz and see if he confirms the story?

Please

mikecomputing

2013-10-14 16:59

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1380597)

Well, that didn't last long...
No idea if he's full of **** or if he really did talk to CEO or Chairman (which is the guy I originally contacted).

No the question is were the heck did he get it from in the first place...

jalyst

2013-10-14 17:05

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1380602)

No the question is were the heck did he get it from in the first place...

Well he could be full of ****, i.e. he never had it...
But if he did, yes, it'd be interesting to know how he got it, he did give a hint on twitter.
I think that's in the screen cap. above, might not be though.

jalyst

2013-10-14 17:07

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1380598)

Contact the eye of mordor again plz and see if he confirms the story?

Please

You mean the chairman, try him yourself...
I've been harassing them too much, they rarely respond to me.

Dave999

2013-10-14 17:27

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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1380606)

You mean the chairman, try him yourself...
I've been harassing them too much, they rarely respond to me.

I don't use twitter :D But lets see what will surface. Maybe someone have the guts to tell the truth of this story.

jalyst

2013-10-14 17:32

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eh? Ive seen you use twitter before...

night.

Dave999

2013-10-14 17:34

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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1380610)

eh? Ive seen you use twitter before...

night.

You have? please share...maybe I just made it up or you dream about me using twitter :D

Good night!

Rauha

2013-10-15 04:50

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Nice pic from hs.fi

http://hs13.snstatic.fi/webkuva/taysi/960/1381482360265

jalyst

2013-10-15 05:12

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Yeah saw that one twitter the other day, pretty creative, better than Dave's sailfish pic ;)

Dave999

2013-10-15 05:26

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Oh cmon... Jalyst.

Indeed very solid jolla image. But it's no match for my paint skills...

juiceme

2013-10-15 05:35

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1380602)

No the question is were the heck did he get it from in the first place...

I'd imagine the fab propably was careless with prototypes, very much the usual stuff :D
You really cannot avoid that with subcontractors and need to plan for it to happen sooner or later. One of the many reasons why I consider it an unwise move to outsource all manufacturing.

How it ended up in Europe, that's the question.

Jordi

2013-10-15 05:47

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Very nice picture indeed. Not realistic though : the sailor wears a life jacket and I don't think they use one :rolleyes:

Rauha

2013-10-15 06:23

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Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1380692)

How it ended up in Europe, that's the question.

Could be somekind promo-unit for a local network in negoatiations with Jolla.

Rauha

2013-10-15 06:47

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Originally Posted by Jordi (Post 1380694)

Not realistic though : the sailor wears a life jacket and I don't think they use one :rolleyes:

Judging from this pic in @Jollahq twitter photostream, you are correct. :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVuhv5eCIAAJ6ex.jpg

nodevel

2013-10-15 08:58

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Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1380695)

Could be somekind promo-unit for a local network in negoatiations with Jolla.

I surely hope that's where the truth is and it means we'll have Jolla available through a Czech provider (although there are just international providers - O2, Vodafone, T-Mobile - in the Czech Republic, so I guess it wouldn't make sense to contact them locally).

Other possibility is he's got it through his employer - according to his website, he's just a teenager, but works as a designer for a company developing mobile apps. It's not very likely, but they could be Jolla's contractor.

Rauha

2013-10-15 15:22

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Well, now they have some spare change in the building. Japanese investors just paid 1,5 billion euros for 50% share of Jolla's neighbour, Supercell.

LOLing hard. 1,5 billion for 2 games.

http://jollatides.files.wordpress.co...a-building.jpg

Dave999

2013-10-15 15:37

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So supercell almost as valued as Nokia mobile...

Microsoft got great bang for the buck.

Any chance these are behind jolla as well?

jalyst

2013-10-15 15:45

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Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1380749)

Well, now they have some spare change in the building. Japanese investors just paid 1,5 billion euros for 50% share of Jolla's neighbour, Supercell. LOLing hard. 1,5 billion for 2 games.

Geezus that's been a meteoric rise, almost seems too good to be true...
IIRC, a similar course of evolution took place for Zynga before it came back down to earth.

mikecomputing

2013-10-15 18:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1380749)

Europe selling out everything :(

MartinK

2013-10-15 18:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1380749)

Maybe they wanted the just wanted the Supercell album or even the band or mobile phone network, but bought the company by mistake ? :)

tissot

2013-10-15 20:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1380749)

Jolla is located in the old and big Nokia Ruoholahti R&D center? Somehow missed that, even as I pass the place daily.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1380779)

Europe selling out everything :(

At least the contract included the HQ to stay in Finland and by far the majority of the 49% left is owned by the two founders and the 100 workers. Not to talk about the workers and founders receiving truck loads of money.
I honestly can't believe they could have kept this up by just making games as they do now.

Dave999

2013-10-16 16:29

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Have anyone seen jolla lately. I'm afraid they have cancelled the whole thing. If they can't won't talk about Sailfish or the product they can Atleast say something.
Tissot, please knock on the door tomorrow on your way to work, just to make sure...

pycage

2013-10-16 16:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1380800)

Jolla is located in the old and big Nokia Ruoholahti R&D center? Somehow missed that, even as I pass the place daily.

Yes, just walk by the building on the other side the next time. ;)

Dave999

2013-10-16 17:17

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How is the Awareness of jolla in Finland. IF I Walked Down the street of Helsinkis and asked 100 People about jolla...would 90 of them Know what they do?

Trying to find out more about this groundbreaking stuff. Any clues...I'm exited!

Q12: Finally, can you leak any snippets of information (be it large or small) on what we can expect with the finished Jolla handset ?

Jussi Hurmula: We are working with Joikusoft to do groundbreaking things in local area network.

jalyst

2013-10-16 17:51

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1380953)

Have anyone seen jolla lately. I'm afraid they have cancelled the whole thing. If they can't won't talk about Sailfish or the product they can Atleast say something.

Prior to availability we knew pretty much zero about the 1st iPhone/iOS, same for the 1st Androids, it's quite similar even today.
In comparison, we know more about Sailfish(Jolla) progress before even the 1st device is on the market.
What do you want, a running commentary of every little thing done? Good luck with that...
I think they created this problem themselves to some extent, thanks to the language they've used over the last yr+.

Dave999

2013-10-16 18:02

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1380966)

I want proof of life...not the same thing you stated above.

mikecomputing

2013-10-16 18:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1380954)

Yes, just walk by the building on the other side the next time. ;)

Or go inside the building and take the elevator and meet the Jolla team and say you want to be beta tester ;)

DeeGee

2013-10-16 19:44

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Some hardware speculation for change. I noticed that HTC One Mini and HTC First have quite identical looking specs (Snapdragon 400 8930AA/AB at 1.4Ghz) as the ones for Jolla. My bet would be that will be the SOC used.

Does HTC still do ODM / Designing for other companies? If they do, it might mean that the manufacturing (+some of the design?) is also done by HTC.

Hariainm

2013-10-16 20:54

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What about the Android compatibility layer, do we know up to what version will it support? ICS? JellyBean? KitKat? Or old Gingerbread?
Maybe should we release the Kraken? aka Jalyst, to start bullying Jukka on twitter? :D

nokiac

2013-10-16 21:15

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@DeeGee ,

I was thinking the same about MSM 8930AA SOC being used. Its a good mid-range SOC. I have the HTC first , quite fluid and fast with Android 4.1., plus has LTE support.

Sounds like right choice for SOC.

mikecomputing

2013-10-16 21:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DeeGee (Post 1380987)

Some hardware speculation for change. I noticed that HTC One Mini and HTC First have quite identical looking specs (Snapdragon 400 8930AA at 1.4Ghz) as the ones for Jolla. My bet would be that will be the SOC used.

Does HTC still do ODM / Designing for other companies? If they do, it might mean that the manufacturing (+some of the design?) is also done by HTC.

Offtopic but those HTC phones really look CRAP to me. But I agree it may very well be that SoC.

I would not be suprised if it is HTC that will build the Jollaphone motherchip... Infact it could be HTC that buys Jolla later on (or license sailfishOS)... AFAIK HTC android bussiness is not that good anymore? Its only samsung that makes biggest cash on Android

gerbick

2013-10-16 23:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1380966)

Prior to availability we knew pretty much zero about the 1st iPhone/iOS, same for the 1st Androids, it's quite similar even today.

Rumors existed for the iPhone, Android was shown in their previous BlackBerry-ish version (keyboard and all) to the G1 rumors and spy shots.

Quote:

In comparison, we know more about Sailfish(Jolla) progress before even the 1st device is on the market.
What do you want, a running commentary of every little thing done? Good luck with that...
I think they created this problem themselves to some extent, thanks to the language they've used over the last yr+.

What you see as a problem, I see as interest. And that's a good problem to have. Just that... some folks are a bit more "enthusiastic" than others.

jalyst

2013-10-17 07:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DeeGee (Post 1380987)

Does HTC still do ODM / Designing for other companies? If they do, it might mean that the manufacturing (+some of the design?) is also done by HTC.

Good findings/Qn, & one I'm sure we'd all like to know, hopefully we will soon enough...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1380992)

Nah, I'm just a pooty cat, & as I said earlier, they usually don't listen to me any more... :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1381005)

Rumors existed for the iPhone, Android was shown in their previous BlackBerry-ish version (keyboard and all) to the G1 rumors and spy shots.

I said comparatively zero, not zero, I'm well aware of all the snippets that came out...
But it's not on the same lvl (hw/sw-wise) that we've experienced with Jolla's 1st offering, here's just one quick/small e.g:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...82#post1380982

Quote:

What you see as a problem, I see as interest. And that's a good problem to have. Just that... some folks are a bit more "enthusiastic" than others.

It has become a problem in the sense that folks are getting increasingly angry/anxious because there's "not enough timely info".
When in reality there's been a great deal of info. shared, I myself have at times been part of that angry crowd, but primarily in a irrational sense.
Dave's protestations go beyond rational expectations most of the time, I'm surprised you (of all folks) want to argue to the contrary.

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