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jalyst 2013-11-14 17:49
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1386417)
I'll make sure that the right people are told though.
It'd be better if they could actually clarify things publicly in some way (as best as they can at this point)...
Assuming they don't care about explaining things here, which sadly seems to be most Sailors (but I won't hold that against them -no pun intended).

ggabriel 2013-11-14 17:53
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1386408)
if we're only talking about 450 units surely they could've afforded to send them equally to all corners of the earth*
Sometimes you can't do this due to legal issues (e.g., Switzerland).

nodevel 2013-11-14 17:55
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tujutzki (Post 1386414)
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/digi/art-1288620478264.html
Rough translation: We´re nevertheless planning to update the hardware during the second half of next year to keep us in the hardware competition, Saarnio concludes.
IMHO this is quite an unfortunate statement (notice how polite I am).
What is the point of announcing a successor before selling the original device? You can only achieve lower sales of the first device and disappoint those who have already preordered.

That's the tactic Elop'd been practicing over the last 2-3 years in order to sink Nokia.

Tujutzki 2013-11-14 17:59
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
From Ilta-Sanomat: The first batch of phones is on it´s way to Finland at the moment.
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/digi/art-1288620845965.html

http://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_will_s...-news-7185.php
Processor seems to be Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 Dual-core 1.4 GHz

And invitations (apparently more than 450) to the launch have been already sent, at least some of them. Of all those who have registered to the event, the 450 who ordered first will get in. The queue to buy the phone opens at 17 o´clock and the doors/queue (the queue is apparently inside) open to the public at 18 o´clock. The first phone will be sold at 19 o´clock.

Dave999 2013-11-14 17:59
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1386426)
IMHO this is quite an unfortunate statement.
What is the point of announcing a successor before selling the original device? You can only achieve lower sales of the first device and disappoint those who have already preordered.

That's the tactic Elop'd been practicing over the last 2-3 years in order to sink Nokia.
Wow if this truly mean a successor. I so much want a big screen Jolla 5,5.hope you are right and not a extras flash drive something boring

jalyst 2013-11-14 18:03
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While I don't think it's bad that they're already thinking about a successor & aiming for 2nd-half 2014, I do think it's silly to be talking about it so early.
Also completely disagree about the claim made about Elop...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1386428)
Wow if this truly mean a successor. I so much want a big screen Jolla 5,5.hope you are right and not a extras flash drive something boring
It's always like ground hog day all over again with dave, we have to re-explain what's been explained countless times. No dave, it won't be a hard-core specs beast, not unless you want to pay much more than the equivalent Android specs beast, & not too many people will. There'll be better "bang for buck" next yr (if they're still around), but they still won't be at a point where they can offer the same value when it comes to hw specs alone.

seiichiro0185 2013-11-14 18:05
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I just got an invitation to the jolla launch event, even though I'm not from finland. So it seems they are given to people from the first preorder batch regardless of country.

Unfortunately It's a workday so I can't make it (also it would be a bit to expensive to fly to helsinki from germany for a few hours)

ggabriel 2013-11-14 18:05
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1386426)
You can only achieve lower sales of the first device and disappoint those who have already preordered.
If you can wait until half next year, you are correct. I know Android buyers who buy phones more often.

nodevel 2013-11-14 18:16
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1386433)
While I don't think it's bad that they're already thinking about a successor & aiming for 2nd-half 2014, I do think it's silly to be talking about it so early.
Also completely disagree about the claim made about Elop...
We're on the same page here - planning is great, takling about it in this situation is quite short sighted.

On the other hand, if he'd say there's a new device coming in 12 months, it might strengten confidence that this is not the last device to be seen.

Let me elaborate on the 'Elop' part - I'm well aware of other things Elop's done (most likely on purpose), but when you read mainstream media analyzing the fall of Nokia, they surprisingly agree on one thing - one of the main causes was announcing future devices before launching the current ones. That is the sole thing I am comparing here.

jalyst 2013-11-14 18:18
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by seiichiro0185 (Post 1386434)
I just got an invitation to the jolla launch event, even though I'm not from finland. So it seems they are given to people from the first preorder batch regardless of country. Unfortunately It's a workday so I can't make it (also it would be a bit to expensive to fly to helsinki from germany for a few hours)
Do you still get the option to place an order & have it sent to you if you can't go?
And there's still no evidence that $0 pre-orders are being invited too, or those outside EU ($0 or not).

Quote:
Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1386439)
Let me elaborate on the 'Elop' part - I'm well aware of other things Elop's done (most likely on purpose), but when you read mainstream media analyzing the fall of Nokia, they surprisingly agree on one thing - one of the main causes was announcing future devices before launching the current ones. That is the sole thing I am comparing here.
I'll respond to that later time permitting, low priority though as it's quite off-topic...

seiichiro0185 2013-11-14 18:24
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1386441)
Do you still get the option to place an order & have it sent to you if you can't go?
And there's still no evidence that $0 pre-orders are being invited too, or those outside EU ($0 or not).
The mail says that If I can't make it they will send instructions on how to complete the order online and get it shipped.

And you're rigth about the 0€ preorders and preorders outside europe.

Leinad 2013-11-14 18:29
i don't understand the stress most of you got lately... for me it doesn't matter if the phone arrives on November 27th, December 7th or December 14th... no problem, to use N9 / N900 some weeks longer.

and if they manage to push out a second device with high specs 1 year after the first one: great! I'll buy it, given the first one was good...

nbedford 2013-11-14 18:34
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by seiichiro0185 (Post 1386434)
I just got an invitation to the jolla launch event, even though I'm not from finland. So it seems they are given to people from the first preorder batch regardless of country.

Unfortunately It's a workday so I can't make it (also it would be a bit to expensive to fly to helsinki from germany for a few hours)
Me too, but again, I don't intend to fly from UK to Finland just to collect a new phone. I am really looking forward to receiving my Jolla, but I am more than happy to wait for the priority mail.

Dave999 2013-11-14 18:46
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Jolla should really send devices according to preorder dates. These 450 is fine. But after that please act as a professionals. This give users no reason to preorder jolla products in the future since you can get it faster anyway

isto 2013-11-14 18:47
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1386402)
How do you get invites?
Finns only?
DNA sign up?
Random jolla orders?
I got one.

Finn: Yes
DNA sign up : No
Jolla preorder: 100€, 1st round

Tujutzki 2013-11-14 19:01
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by isto (Post 1386458)
I got one.

Finn: Yes
DNA sign up : No
Jolla preorder: 100€, 1st round
Do you happen to remember when you placed your order? The first day?

nbedford 2013-11-14 19:07
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I placed mine on the first day (100€) if that's any help, but not Finland.

seiichiro0185 2013-11-14 19:19
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I also ordered on the first day, 100€ option, also not Finland

gerbick 2013-11-14 19:21
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1386408)
Personally I think it's poor form, if we're only talking about 450 units surely they could've afforded to send them equally to all corners of the earth*, seems like bias against non-Finns & those who didn't lay down $100EUD. It should've been a mixture of people from around the world who were in the 1st pre-order campaign, some who donated $100/40, & some who didn't. It's not a huge deal, but I do think it's pretty insensitive, especially for a tiny start-up that regularly likes to chant about being in touch with emotions & caring. Anyway, hopefully later I'll have time raise more important concern/criticisms relating some of w00ts points, bed time.

*it's not like they'd be completely subsidising shipping costs, or giving the items away for free
Of course you think it's not proper form. But they're a company of ~90 folks that's pulled off quite the engineering feat in 2 years - they're shipping a device.

So they're not shipping in my area. Cool. But they're shipping. It'll be staged. Cool. That means that it's still coming.

I'm personally not a fan of how they're communicating to the masses - it's not amplified as much as say Android or iPhone announcements, but again... they're a ~90 person company. The fact that I've heard of it, already a fan of it and trying to make my Z10 last long enough to get one... that says something.

Want to do something constructive? Spread the word. Want to continue down a path of this negativity - although I'm quoting you, I'm referencing the entire thread - then so be it. But understand that your voice this early in the game for Jolla is loud and might be damaging.

Will they have bugs? Yep. It's a 1.0 product. I cannot name one 1.0 product that I've been 100% happy with. Ever. And that's including stuff I've done...

But if you want to help them strategize how to make it up with the initial 40/100 Euro pre-sales, then I'd love to hear it. Let the first 450 be sold. I'd love to see that the people that were there "on day one" get something special. Special color, special backgrounds, special box, a special notice... all of that can make the experience different and "worth it" for those that have pre-purchased.

I put in my pre-purchase, but I didn't exactly send any money. I showed my interest. And will continue to do so. I hope others embrace what Jolla is attempting, spread the good word. Something cool could happen. And just perhaps there's more announcements about the aftermath of the November 27/450 sales, we might be getting something special.

Or not. Either way, who cares? Something is coming that's not iPhone, Android or WP8. That, I can get 100% behind.

cvp 2013-11-14 19:23
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
me, too. pre order startet on 20.05 - 100€ paypal (Germany)

its su@#s a little bit.

wolke 2013-11-14 19:23
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gerbick, do you have any of your zen-like calm leftover to lend to me? cause my heart is going to explode if i dont get my hands on a jolla soon.

Morpog 2013-11-14 19:33
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cvp (Post 1386477)
me, too. pre order startet on 20.05 - 100€ paypal (Germany)

its su@#s a little bit.
I got an invitation, also from germany, preordered 100€ at 20.05.

I just can't go on that day :(

gerbick 2013-11-14 19:34
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolke (Post 1386478)
gerbick, do you have any of your zen-like calm leftover to lend to me? cause my heart is going to explode if i dont get my hands on a jolla soon.
Dude, I wish I had it myself. I'm just sitting here, learning how to be patient, knocking out a personal project in AngularJS just to avoid letting myself getting anxious over getting a Jolla phone and finding folks in Finland or soon to be in Finland to shorten my wait.

Meanwhile, I'm just going to go back to lurking before I trigger yet another splinter of discussions in this thread.

It'll soon be in my hands...

nbedford 2013-11-14 19:42
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Hmm, flights from London to Helsinki only £126, never been to Finland.

Maybe I should go...

mikecomputing 2013-11-14 19:48
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zlatko (Post 1386360)
@w00t
Any plans about public bug tracking? I think it was great idea with Maemo.

Offtopic: Jolla needs more people like you and @stskeeps that interact with us! That "live" amongst us, that make us feel like a part of something we like. We(I) really need people that listen to us and explain. We(I) can accept a lot of things when I know the reason, but the silence just makes us(me) feel ousted.
There are atleast four people here who answers questions also there is IRC.

Thoke 2013-11-14 19:49
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I don't even see the 27.11 event hurting anyone. A bunch 100€ preorderers will have a party and get a Jolla phone in advance. It's optional -they will get their device anyway attended they or not- and the traveling is on their own expense. Of course some hardcore fans will be pissed.

If the shipping of the device begins in early december, I think all the 100€ & 0€ preorders from Europe will arrive before christmas if ordered right away as the device is made available.
40€ and 0€ preorders outside of Europe will probably have to wait an unspecified amount of time though.

Z3R0 2013-11-14 19:51
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Geez! Look at all the hate towards the "crappy" specs on the other forums. and oh yeah, yandex being the app store for android apps instead of google play got people even more sceptical. Not that the Jolla is primarily planned to use Sailfish apps instead of android ones. ;)

mikecomputing 2013-11-14 19:59
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1386408)
Personally I think it's poor form, if we're only talking about 450 units surely they could've afforded to send them equally to all corners of the earth*, seems like bias against non-Finns & those who didn't lay down $100EUD. It should've been a mixture of people from around the world who were in the 1st pre-order campaign, some who donated $100/40, & some who didn't. It's not a huge deal, but I do think it's pretty insensitive, especially for a tiny start-up that regularly likes to chant about being in touch with emotions & caring. Anyway, hopefully later I'll have time raise more important concern/criticisms relating some of w00ts points, bed time.

*it's not like they'd be completely subsidising shipping costs, or giving the items away for free
Bussiness does not work that way.

DNA has contracted Jolla phones ofcourse they be the first. Its simple bussines and good. Because hopefully those dogslow operators in the rest of europe wakeups if 27th launch gets alot attention in media.

I mean send one device "here and there" to some fanboys would not help them anyway.

Because regular fanboys is often to much just "fanboys" and in the end only a few people listen to them.

Dave999 2013-11-14 20:00
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The spec. is 3 years Old so the spec is crappy but WHO cares. If you lik IT LIKE IT. You are not the Phone. Dont take IT personal.

mikecomputing 2013-11-14 20:03
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tujutzki (Post 1386430)
From Ilta-Sanomat: The first batch of phones is on it´s way to Finland at the moment.
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/digi/art-1288620845965.html

http://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_will_s...-news-7185.php
Processor seems to be Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 Dual-core 1.4 GHz

And invitations (apparently more than 450) to the launch have been already sent, at least some of them. Of all those who have registered to the event, the 450 who ordered first will get in. The queue to buy the phone opens at 17 o´clock and the doors/queue (the queue is apparently inside) open to the public at 18 o´clock. The first phone will be sold at 19 o´clock.
Gsamarena is def not trustworthy.

JiiHoo 2013-11-14 20:06
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Z3R0 (Post 1386489)
Geez! Look at all the hate towards the "crappy" specs on the other forums. and oh yeah, yandex being the app store for android apps instead of google play got people even more sceptical. Not that the Jolla is primarily planned to use Sailfish apps instead of android ones. ;)
Well, nothing prevents them installing Amazon's app store If Yandex is not OK (that what Jolla's CEO said in article at Ilta-Sanomat).

rainisto 2013-11-14 20:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JiiHoo (Post 1386498)
Well, nothing prevents them installing Amazon's app store If Yandex is not OK (that what Jolla's CEO said in article at Ilta-Sanomat).
Or you can just open your Jolla device's web browser to http://www.androiddrawer.com/ and install apk's directly by downloading them from browser.

Z3R0 2013-11-14 20:22
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1386495)
The spec. is 3 years Old so the spec is crappy but WHO cares. If you lik IT LIKE IT. You are not the Phone. Dont take IT personal.
I'm not complaining. Just wondering that the android phone owners automatically think that Jolla couldn't be pleasant to use because it would be slow and laggy. It'll definetly be a huge upgrade comparing to N900. And yet the N900 handles quite well with only 256mb ram and 600mhz cpu. Even better than some better specced android phones. As long as the OS is built well there is no need for quad-cores and 8gb ram. I'm looking forward to finally get my own device. :rolleyes:

Dave999 2013-11-14 20:23
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anyone seen copy and paste between all apps and OS?

RX-51 2013-11-14 21:17
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tujutzki (Post 1386414)
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/digi/art-1288620478264.html

"- Suunnittelemme silti päivittävämme laitteistoa ensi vuoden toisella puoliskolla, jotta pysymme mukana rautapuolen kilpailussa, Saarnio kertaa."

Rough translation: We´re nevertheless planning to update the hardware during the second half of next year to keep us in the hardware competition, Saarnio concludes.
Pre-ordered myself at noon on the 20.5. at €100, left unimpressed by the plain hardware when finally (!!) published.

Might rather wait for that updated phone jumping on a cheap android until then in case my n900 dies.

Another thing I'd like to see is a straight line between private and work profiles like blackberry did for security reason. Especially since android apps (sandbox?) are on the phone.

<rant>
Jolla, honestly the whole PR is an utter disappointment since the first launch! Get yourself a single good PR Person on board, Marc Dillon is/was an authentic guy for the product. Just give it a structure and something worth to report about.
That dropping breadcrumbs from time to time didn't made it any more exciting to me but simply unprofessional and questioning the whole product.

The whole "we are unlike" is rather premature attempt to catch peoples/press attention. Additionally I can't see the big thing about TOH, seems like a I want to be so hip gimmick than anything of use [please prove me wrong].
</rant>

Leinad 2013-11-14 21:31
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1386481)
I got an invitation, also from germany, preordered 100€ at 20.05.

I just can't go on that day

you pay the ticket, I'll pick it up for you and deliver it to you, wherever you are in Germany?

Hariainm 2013-11-15 00:25
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Sorry for the offtopic, but can anybody with the 0€ pre-order confirm if they get a Pre-Book Order queue number? I just checked My Orders in https://join.jolla.com/en/profile and it appears to be empty

m4r0v3r 2013-11-15 00:28
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1386535)
Sorry for the offtopic, but can anybody with the 0€ pre-order confirm if they get a Pre-Book Order queue number? I just checked My Orders in https://join.jolla.com/en/profile and it appears to be empty
Same here :)

NokiaFanatic 2013-11-15 00:39
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I have to say, I am getting pretty excited now. I have been trying out a Nexus 5 for the last week and although I do admit it's fast and really slick, I am really troubled by Google constantly trying to ram crappy services like Hangouts and Google+ down my throat.

m4r0v3r 2013-11-15 00:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1386538)
I have to say, I am getting pretty excited now. I have been trying out a Nexus 5 for the last week and although I do admit it's fast and really slick, I am really troubled by Google constantly trying to ram crappy services like Hangouts and Google+ down my throat.
I tried it, had the nexus 4, but just got bored of android


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