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Leinad 2013-05-20 17:00
I went home to my computer to watch the live stream and all i saw was a lot of people drinkin' beer???

Well i could have been staying, where i was before, there were also a lot of people drinkin' beer :) (holidays here)

mariusmssj 2013-05-20 17:01
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Jolla Launches First Sailfish OS Smartphone - Hands-On Demo

tissot 2013-05-20 17:01
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kozzi (Post 1345294)
lol, yeah I expected wow from Jolla but didn't get it with the UI and now device design... Oh well I hope the specs is atleast on par with this generation.
As far as quad cores and 1080 screens go we can already be pretty sure there wont be any of that, not that it should come as a surprise to anybody this being a startup and the phone costing 399 euros.

marxian 2013-05-20 17:05
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1345291)
Aaaaand let me loop this video and think everything is alright

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-jIyUhFzYk
Is that the episode where Marko Ahtisaari says that Nokia will support the N9 until 2015? Can't beat a good comedy. :)

bennypr0fane 2013-05-20 17:06
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I'm pretty sure the other half will have the possibility to make it a qwerty keyboard. The question is will they make it themselves (which I really hope) or will they just leave it to a third party.
Then there's the question of software integration of such a hw qwerty. Is it built right into code, with keyboard shortcuts, hiding on-screen keyboard, etc.? or would it be just a half-assed add-on toy...
Btw who ever said they don't ship to Austria? I'm pretty sure they will, says "Europe" right there on the homepage.
That stream was in fact rather unprofessional with no new information in it either. they should have allowed for a live (moderated) chat to come in, then poor Marc wouldn't have had to worry about the mics working. It's a good thing he was wearing a black shirt, otherwise all that sweat really would have shown

Dave999 2013-05-20 17:06
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
:confused:

memory, processor, navigation, battery size, resolution and that is just the most imminent needs.

Boxeri 2013-05-20 17:07
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marxian (Post 1345300)
Is that the episode where Marko Ahtisaari says that Nokia will support the N9 until 2015? Can't beat a good comedy. :)
Priceless.

That was a good presentation. Sad what followed :mad:

misterc 2013-05-20 17:08
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kozzi (Post 1345294)
lol, yeah I expected wow from Jolla but didn't get it with the UI and now device design... Oh well I hope the specs is atleast on par with this generation.
those shiny displays & power-ful & -hungry processors also use... a lot of power, which either come with a heavy battery or with a short usage time.
so considering the smoothness of Maemo Harmattan with 1GHz & 1 GB or RAM, a dual core (most likely 1 GB of RAM - if they add a "real" swap partition & don't use ¼ of the RAM as swap :mad:) we should have plenty of power.
and sure as hell we will get swap partitions on µSDXC, so that won't be an issue neither...

tissot 2013-05-20 17:09
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1345302)
:confused:

memory, processor, navigation, battery size, resolution and that is just the most imminent needs.
Yeah revealing RAM, SoC, battery size and such would be appropriate thinking the pre-order system they got going on.

Metsämies 2013-05-20 17:09
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxeri (Post 1345277)
Finns just can't do good presentations. And saying this as a Finn. Everything looks good on the outside, but then usually someone with that unmistakable old people english accent comes and talks :-)

Really not that informative presentation, but I still believe in them strongly.
Dillon spoke very good english, much better than Steven Elop.

bennypr0fane 2013-05-20 17:10
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I think Nokia's tradition of letting the engineers and designers present what they love best about the products they broguht to life is a very cool really, but they really shouldn't have let all the weight rest on the shoulders of poor Marc - who is an engineer, not a showmaster - in this live stream. They need to really start looking more professional if they want to make millions of sales in China. I wonder how thei DoCoMo backers in China likes this presentation... :-D

[Knuckles] 2013-05-20 17:11
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1345288)
No, there's a chip in that cover that supposedly could even make adding more memory and such possible, let alone larger batteries, better flash and so on.

That said those attachments don't exists yet and are up to Jolla or 3rd party to add.
Yeah, I'm glad they revealed the specs to that too, so that manufacturers can start thinking of cool stuff. No...?...

I'm just disappointed. I hate android, loved my N900, and basically would just like more of that brilliant design (hardware and software).
Instead I can't preorder (Portugal not in list), as others pointed out the hardware is so-so, and no qwerty or even any clear plans for it.

So basically back to making my Xperia Pro last more and not suck, as there are no qwerty android phones announced. And if it breaks I'll probably just get back to the N900. sigh.

rcolistete 2013-05-20 17:12
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcaurell (Post 1345274)
I am totally disappointed by Jolla, I’m waiting for months for this device, and then I have to learn that you do not deliver to Austria. Am I a second class customer because I live in Austria? Are my Euros worth less? I would have gegreut forward to the possibility of pre-and then the disillusionment no delivery to Austria, the country that lies in the middle of Europe. Ciao Ciao Jolla Sailfish I’m not a device I beg of you will continue to use my N9.
RTFM the Jolla FAQ. Only the EUR100 pre-order edition is limited to 8 european countries. The 2 other options can be sent globally.

ocp32 2013-05-20 17:12
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1345291)
Aaaaand let me loop this video and think everything is alright

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-jIyUhFzYk

Don't go there... Goosebumps...

I still don't know enough about this phone (Jolla) to form an opinion.

Rugoz 2013-05-20 17:14
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1345297)
Very nice.

Not sure whether I like the hardware, have to see it in real life first. But aluminium frame sounds good.

bennypr0fane 2013-05-20 17:14
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxeri (Post 1345277)
Finns just can't do good presentations. And saying this as a Finn. Everything looks good on the outside, but then usually someone with that unmistakable old people english accent comes and talks :-)
Isn't Dillon from Britain?

The Wizard of Huz 2013-05-20 17:23
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
So the phone can also be used without back cover right? Even thinner phone then. With the back cover it does look to be thicker than the N9, Twice the size of audio port that is.

Jedibeeftrix 2013-05-20 17:23
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
is this a re-heated nokia 920?

szopin 2013-05-20 17:26
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Wizard of Huz (Post 1345321)
So the phone can also be used without back cover right? Even thinner phone then. With the back cover it does look to be thicker than the N9, Twice the size of audio port that is.
Here you can see it side by side with N9:
http://youtu.be/zxv7iXwIgno?t=36s

Seems they are the same thickness

Boxeri 2013-05-20 17:26
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I think people really forgetting what Jolla is doing here. Their final goal is NOT TO BE A PHONE MANUFACTURER. It is about the OS, right? And this is their first device ever. What is the most important here, is that they can deliver with that OS. They want developers, customers, "real" phone manufacturers to start thinking about them. And the way to do that is through that OS. They simply can't have the muscle to pull it of with High-end hardware or with the greatest desing. This is something that people should remember.

Jolla is right now the only real company with OS that is OPEN (at least this is what is said right now) and have a capable phone running it. I always thought that was what this community wanted, more openess?

Instead these forums start sound like customers outside BestBuy telling how their phone has the highest specs and coolest looks. I thought people here were rather those that would ask them: "Well, can your phone do this?"

Sure, Jollas phone is too big for me, the n9 and n900 were already on the maximum for me. Sure, it will not be having the fastest processor when it finally reaches customers. But that is not what I am after here, If I were, I would by an android device. But I am up for something in that Sailfish that has kept these forums alive to live on and see my best hope with Jolla. And thats why I have preordered the device and am cheering them on

bennypr0fane 2013-05-20 17:30
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
in the video it doesn't look like the screen is that much larger than the N9's. Are those really supposed to be 4,5"?
However, every new feature of the OS they let out lea ves me more impressed, I mean, it just seems really really, really coooool! Totally considering to buy just for the OS...
The crossfade from video playback is very impressive, merged conversations. I also like that finally they made the close-buttons in the task manager NICE AND LARGE, and the fabulous pulley menu (close all, change profile, ambiance), it's just great work!

[Knuckles] 2013-05-20 17:36
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxeri (Post 1345324)
I think people really forgetting what Jolla is doing here. Their final goal is NOT TO BE A PHONE MANUFACTURER. It is about the OS, right? And this is their first device ever. What is the most important here, is that they can deliver with that OS. They want developers, customers, "real" phone manufacturers to start thinking about them. And the way to do that is through that OS. They simply can't have the muscle to pull it of with High-end hardware or with the greatest desing. This is something that people should remember.

Jolla is right now the only real company with OS that is OPEN (at least this is what is said right now) and have a capable phone running it. I always thought that was what this community wanted, more openess?

Instead these forums start sound like customers outside BestBuy telling how their phone has the highest specs and coolest looks. I thought people here were rather those that would ask them: "Well, can your phone do this?"

Sure, Jollas phone is too big for me, the n9 and n900 were already on the maximum for me. Sure, it will not be having the fastest processor when it finally reaches customers. But that is not what I am after here, If I were, I would by an android device. But I am up for something in that Sailfish that has kept these forums alive to live on and see my best hope with Jolla. And thats why I have preordered the device and am cheering them on
We're just kind-of disappointed, because we were promised an awesome reveal, and this was definitely not it.

Besides, the open part is currently good will from jolla. But will it materialize? It seems to me that android is more open that this. Firefox OS is even more.

But from this phone, we hear that they might opensource the UI. What about kernel drivers and all that. Will we be stuck as usual on the same old kernel forever that will have to be patched more and more by the community? Will we have the bits we need to have for instance decent android with voice calls, or it's just basically the same level of openness as previous maemo editions?

I love jolla, and I want them to be awesome. But currently, all we have are hopes and dreams and maybes.

Ken-Young 2013-05-20 17:45
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1345263)
[...]
Ask yourselves that question: Do you really thing the Jolla phone is a step forward or backward for you, N9 users? Will you carry it and thing "Yeah, this is it, that's what i wanted, this is way better than my previous N9 days".
[...]
Here's another question you might want to ask: "Do I want to see any more Maemo/Meego/Sailfish heritage phones in the future?" If you do value that type of phone, you might want to consider supporting Jolla by purchasing one of these phones, even if they didn't produce exactly what you wanted in their first product. If we all just hang onto our old N900s and N9s, and snub Jolla because of some trivial issue like the bezzle, we may find ourselves with no gnu/linux heritage phones available at all in a few years.

I'm gonna buy one as soon as I possibly can, even though they won't officially sell them where I live. Unless it comes with less than 128 MBytes of RAM, or the CPU is clocked below 100 MHz, I'm sold.

myname24 2013-05-20 17:45
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
At least they should write a detailed list of specs and what's confirmed and what's not . Ok we get it the other half and the other half but they need to show more . ( it's like the presenation of WP8 wich was about resising tiles wich is utter fail ) but still a nice work for startup :)

bennypr0fane 2013-05-20 17:46
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by [Knuckles] (Post 1345328)

Besides, the open part is currently good will from jolla. But will it materialize? It seems to me that android is more open that this. Firefox OS is even more.

But from this phone, we hear that they might opensource the UI. What about kernel drivers and all that. Will we be stuck as usual on the same old kernel forever that will have to be patched more and more by the community? Will we have the bits we need to have for instance decent android with voice calls, or it's just basically the same level of openness as previous maemo editions?
There's an intersting bit about the openness question:
http://jollatides.com/2013/05/20/jollaloveday-qa/
I think the Q&A session is still going on, people should post their questions!

Rugoz 2013-05-20 17:50
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I think the sandwich design makes it look thicker than it is. Likely thinner than N9, but less rounded. But yeah thinner would be nicer.

The design is certainly unusual, but find it more interesting than anything I've seen recently. Looking forward to get my hands on it.

shmerl 2013-05-20 17:50
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxeri (Post 1345324)
I think people really forgetting what Jolla is doing here. Their final goal is NOT TO BE A PHONE MANUFACTURER.
I'd say they better be a manufacturer as well, focused on feature richness and openness of the hardware. Given that most others completely ignore this.

The Wizard of Huz 2013-05-20 17:59
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
This is how big Jolla is compared to N9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...0Ey-xnkY#t=12s

qwazix 2013-05-20 18:06
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I really don't care about thinness below 13mm (roughly the N950/E7 thickness). Give me bigger battery anytime. It's like laptops, everybody had settled that 3h of life was enough (duh!) until apple came over and pushed the envelope to 7h. Now everybody is trying to shave a millimeter off their laptops and just make 7h, when 2-3mm more could mean 3h more. Same with phones. You can't really distinguish between an OG Galaxy S and an S4 one thickness-wise, while the S4 with 4mm more could double it's battery life.

SaiKo 2013-05-20 18:08
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
I'm quite disappointed in the presentation because it hardly gave us any information that wasn't online already.

I would have at least expected some details on the pre-order exclusives.

I don't live in one of the lucky 8 countries so i don't get to pre-order with free t-shirt and free ltd ed otherhalf.
That leaves regular pre-order which does not get you a limited edition device or paying 40€ for which you do not get a voucher.
But what does limited edition mean? I don't want to pay 40€ for a t-shirt...

murrayy 2013-05-20 18:09
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Show demand for the keyboard half and it might happen:

http://identi.ca/conversation/99873357#notice-101023984

[Knuckles] 2013-05-20 18:12
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken-Young (Post 1345329)
Here's another question you might want to ask: "Do I want to see any more Maemo/Meego/Sailfish heritage phones in the future?" If you do value that type of phone, you might want to consider supporting Jolla by purchasing one of these phones, even if they didn't produce exactly what you wanted in their first product. If we all just hang onto our old N900s and N9s, and snub Jolla because of some trivial issue like the bezzle, we may find ourselves with no gnu/linux heritage phones available at all in a few years.

I'm gonna buy one as soon as I possibly can, even though they won't officially sell them where I live. Unless it comes with less than 128 MBytes of RAM, or the CPU is clocked below 100 MHz, I'm sold.
You mean like all our purchases of N900 and N9 saved Nokia? Let's be real. A small group of geeks can't change the world by voting with their wallets. They can change it by developing killer apps, helping spread the word, fixing stuff, etc. But wallet? I seriously doubt it.

I'll probably end up buying the device, as my hatred of android grows more each day. But it's not what I wanted. And I basically wanted for them to sell me the N950 with Sailfish.

Jolla dudes: now that you have your hardware, what about selling those juicy N950's? I promise we'll take care of them.

----

But seriously, I do think jolla needs to be better than the others, and to create an ecosystem. For starters, they really really really should work on having an image for the N9. Boom, instant expanded ecosystem: more people with Sailfish on their hands. This is one thing Nokia NEVER GOT RIGHT, nor anyone else.

Look at Apple: the iphone 3GS, came out a few months before the N900 and is still _supported_. It still gets iOS updates. It's just incredible! And why does Apple does this? Ecosystem. Instead of having a new platform every release and burning all the bridges, you invite all your older friends and your userbase always grows, instead of you always starting from scratch.

So, if jolla wants to be unlike, how about bootstrapping that community starting with the N9, and also make a commitmment to really support the new phone. Promise us that in a year you won't be going "yeah, dual-core, that was crappy lol. why don't you buy the new one and throw that crap Sailfish 1.0 away?". If I buy jolla's phone in 2013, I want to be able to use it in 2015/2016 without feeling completely abandoned. Will it be a bit slow? Of course. But I still want a decent 2016 browser, and all the most recent apps.

I want a desktop-like experience. My Intel E2180 cost 80€ in 2008. It still runs all the latest software. Is it lighting-fast? No. But I still have security updates. I still have a decent browser. And I still can buy the latest software. The only thing that has changed is that apps consume more resources, and so the pc is "getting slower" each day.

Waynder 2013-05-20 18:17
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Ok... Jolla phone plooks great and all that jazz... Probably will buy it (Hell.. got me self n810, n900, n9 so i guess i gotta have this also =P)

But what i REALLY wanna know after all this... When are we gonna be able to put sailfish on N9 =)

jalyst 2013-05-20 18:19
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Holy mother, this is way more out there than I ever imagined, much of it I could see coming, but this expansion ability (which admittedly is still very vague) sounds so damn super cool, I hope it's not all hot air! And I want to hear much more about the entire sw stack, the entire "ecosystem" story, & the licensing etc (apologies in advance if some of this is already covered, still only at pg17).

Quote:
Originally Posted by nokiabot (Post 1345239)
Lumiaman alive
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
I'm not sure how you could understand the full extent of his past here, having only been signed-up since March, but your shared shock is appreciated.

Morpog 2013-05-20 18:19
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2nd post is updated all the time with new articles, videos and pictures.

Dave999 2013-05-20 18:24
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1345347)
Holy mother, this is way more out there than I ever imagined, much of it I could see coming, but this expansion ability (which admittedly is still very vague) sounds so damn super cool, I hope it's not all hot air! And I want to hear much more about the entire sw stack, the entire "ecosystem" story, & the licensing etc (apologies in advance if some of this is already covered, still only at pg17).
welcome, just look at jolla presentation. In the teaser they say anything will be reveled...still waiting

v0id 2013-05-20 18:28
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
from the videos and pictures, i calculated the dimensions (in mm)

~132 x 68

dimension of n9 (3.9" Display): 116.5 x 61.2
dimension of lumia 920 (4.5" Display): 130.3 x 70.8

Copernicus 2013-05-20 18:30
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Well, I'm impressed with the device. I've gotta hand it to the folks at Jolla; they've taken the limited hardware that was available to them, and created something rather fresh out of it.

For myself, this is really the device I would have wished the N9 had been. The N9 looks pretty, but the Jolla phone's shape looks more comfortable to use. More importantly, it has a replaceable battery and a (micro) SD-card slot; after my experience with the iPhone, I'm not planning on ever getting another portable computing device without those two features.

I think I finally have a fairly comfortable upgrade path from my N900. (I just wish they'd been able to fit an IR port on the device! :p )

mikecomputing 2013-05-20 18:33
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No spec given of the SoC I guess this has todo with the latest announcement from STEricsson and now Jolla searching for another ARM with similar specs...

Drekkie 2013-05-20 18:34
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1345353)
(I just wish they'd been able to fit an IR port on the device! :p )
Potential new (cringe-worthy) slogan: "There's a 'half' for that."

#un-unlike :)


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