Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

my qustion. Do you think any other vendors planning to announce devices soon?

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I'm not so sure that the Jolla is quite as "modular" as that; I really doubt that the back half is ever going to turn into a extra battery/ hardware keyboard/extra ports/docking station/etc. like folks here are talking about. It'd take a lot more manufacturing effort than I suspect Jolla is capable of pulling together from whatever partners it has. Just getting them to manufacture a durable back cover with whatever sensor they are using is probably going to be enough of a hassle...

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

It looks annoyingly big in comparison. I start to worry.

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So i was told to chill out and wait.
Now i know it has two parts and some features of second part.
But real specs, no info on plans of support/updates ( maybe it's only beta device and in 3 months they would release new one and stop support of that one, or would they update all the lines as long as it's possible)
What countries will get at all? (if shipping will be available at all and if yes in what time(not exact but at least QX of 201X)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

What I see in Jolla smartphone and Sailfish OS is a smartphone & mobile OS with some features from desktop PC with Linux, because :
1) "The Other Half" promises some hardware (not just color) personalisation for the smartphone user, with : greater battery, hardware keyboard, different camera/flash, etc;
2) real multitasking available at the GUI, with animated miniatures of the running softwares, something seen only in Maemo, MeeGo Harmattan, BlackBerry;
3) Sailfish OS is based on Mer/Nemo which is full open source and community driven, so you can really contribute to parts of Sailfish OS, the default packages, add packages to repositories, etc. Try to do that in Android, iOS, WP, BlackBerry, etc...
4) packages with dependencies, so community developers can contribute with useful softwares which can become libraries or dependencies of many other softwares, or even the default software;
5) Sailfish OS has not only Linux kernel, but almost all parts of desktop Linux, like X11, terminal, glibc, compilers & languages (gcc, Python, etc), Qt (4.8 & 5), etc.

I see Jolla smartphone & Sailfish OS as a true successor of Nokia N9 & MeeGo Harmattan, with some innovations like hardware personalisation, more swipe gestures and richer GUI, Android compatibility and being more community driven.

Anyway, I think Jolla deserves the support of the Maemo/MeeGo community, by pre-ordering the smartphone, developing softwares, promoting it in blogs, etc.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

yeah this gets the shi* out of me as without ir handheld is useless for me or only one on earth i think:(:p
damm whole home is ir .

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

well, I'm so sad that my country isn't on the list and I can't register normally. :(
I'm impressed with the device specs and the other half, but it's to big compared to n9. that's my only negative criticism.

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If there will be no IR cover, maybe you can just plug a diode into the usb at the top (or even headphone jack)? Headphone jack might be even easier as you could send IR playing music

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I think that browser is Snowshoe.

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HWKB and I buy.

Will have to wait. Looks promising.

HWKB and I buy.

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you can NOT pre-order a customized "other half" whatever that will be
you can however pre-order a standard device (as everyone will be able to buy, eventually) or even a device and a t-shirt

who told you that ?!?
they promised to deliver devices in Q4 2013
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to Europe & China (telecom partner?) 1st...
are you able to "pre-orcer" just the devce from where you are (if you are not in Europe)?
(if you pre-order only the device, you don't have to pay anything upfront, you simply indicate your interest)
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there even is rumour of a 2nd (cheaper?) device in 2014 (no further indication, but that's not surprising for a rumour)

what are you moaning again about "not" supported device?
nobody (outside of Jolla) will get a device for now, so there are no device to support
understand?
and obviously, there is no telling what bezel the final device will have, if any.
or camera, or flash, of battery or even Processor.
or resolution.

thus, again, chill-out :cool: :D
we saw a proof of concept today, that's all

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

in a couple videos i saw, one of which from a link on this thread, today, Marc even shows that the minimized applications can be interacted with.
he paused, started playing again, skipped song while the media player was still "small" and other (running) apps visible on the grid

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Doubt it, & I sincerely hope not.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I completely agree with you on this point. Since Jolla has been showing Sailfish running on N950s for months, I'm baffled by their decision not to release N9 and N950 images so that they could instantly absorb part of our Maemo community. The explanation that it would somehow be illegal strikes me as BS. It's still not too late for them to do it, and we could be developing apps and giving them feedback on the software in advance of their late 2013 device sales. But for some reason Jolla seems a lot less interested in us than we are in them. That's puzzling, because my paycheck doesn't depend on Jolla being successful.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Interesting exchanges I saw with a MeR dev quite a few wks ago:
__________________________________________________ ________
xxxx: finishing touches on wayland on top of android drivers, for future non-android systems enjoyments
xxxx: but also at the same time, it's obvious the whole jolla movement thing has started a wave that may make the gadget choice quite interesting
xxxx: non-android is suddenly feasible again thanks to our libhybris
xxxx: as we can suddenly put our stacks everywhere
__________________________________________________ ________
xxxx: i can give you the answer here if that's OK: the SDK only contains X86 binaries
xxxx: so you're only seeing it on stuff like exopc and acer iconia tab
xxxx: did you see the iconia tab video?

yyyy: why no option for arm binaries or virtualisation, is that because vendors simply wont provide them for sailfish, hence the need for libhybris?

xxxx: well, there's virtualization but it's x86 virtualisation – the target of SDK is being an SDK
xxxx: and at this point we're not providing ARM binaries until there's a target that people can run ARM builds on
xxxx: the SDK isn't terribly good as a basis for making device ports with anyway

yyyy: So why no ARM binaries? And why only x86 virtualisation? (the later does not matter so much I imagine)

xxxx: two things really: ARM emulators are slow and doesn't provide very good performance in both CPU and OpenGL

yyyy: so why not pick a bunch of targets yonks ago like canonical has been dong, some high profile android handsets etc.

xxxx: and in 99% cases, building an app / porting it to ARM is a matter of flicking a switch, so, we give a good developer experience using a X86 'emulator' – it's really quite good, if you didn't try it already

yyyy: but canonical's approach seems clever to me, seems to garner way more developer/community interest by making their image available on "actual devices," rather than SDK only

xxxx: it seems to mostly backfire actually
xxxx: ubuntu touch channels are filled up with people who can't get it working on their devices, not app developers
xxxx: i fully agree with you that it's a good idea, but there's a couple of legal issues with providing completely ready images for other devices

yyyy: meaning $$$/time required, which Jolla thinks it cant afford, unlike canonical?

xxxx: ok, there's a very simple reason: the current public stack is qt4/x11 and it can't leverage magic new things like libhybris
xxxx: because you'd have to be on qt5/wayland (or surfaceflinger in ubuntu's case) to really take full advantage of it
xxxx: ubuntu's solution, in practice, is android, with ubuntu in a chroot
xxxx: it doesn't even use upstart, it's a tech demo

yyyy: oh those ubuntu images were all done with a much older stack werent they, before they announced usage of mir/libhybris etc, before they moved mostly to their own entire stack vs a mostly android-based one?

xxxx: mir isn't in use in any of their images yet, and they used libhybris from start
xxxx: what they did, practically, was take libhybris behind doors, make interfacing to android's Surfaceflinger (window manager/compositor) and add a QML ui on top

yyyy: yep

xxxx: and that was their tech demo and they sold the hell out of that

yyyy: so will he 1st major release of Sailfish be based on qt5/wayland, or that's not coming till next year right?

xxxx: we'll see

yyyy: So whenever it does come out, it will be much easier to do the sort of stuff canonical has been doing. i.e. at least 2-3 images for some of the most high profile android devices

xxxx: right, just note http://pastie.org/7736334
xxxx: so it can't ever be a truly pretty experience

yyyy: So as canonical are slowly moving away from what's mostly an android-based solution, they're going to have exactly the same problems as you guys anyway, right?

xxxx: probably, i think it's probably possible to do development builds, but it's really a matter of how you approach it
xxxx: you don't want to have a situation where 1) people wouldn't buy the actual device or 2) that the focus is more on hw hacking than sw development
xxxx: (this is just my personal opinion)
xxxx: with all the building blocks, mer, libhybris, etc, i encourage people to do all this stuff so we get all these building blocks field tested

yyyy: i guess that one of the main reasons why you guys are scared of proving some imge for android devices, as a large part of your revenue model depends on selling your own device, but I really think it could significantly boost sailfish/nemo profile & hacking community

xxxx: i don't disagree

yyyy: hopefully you move quickly towards providing at least 2-3 images for some of the most popular devices, "once" you're much closer to a Sailfish based on Qt5/wayland

xxxx: let's see, it might be a matter that people need to self-assemble images themselves

yyyy: I imagine that'll prolly be long after your 1st device it out anyway… so you'll have less to worry about with regards to potential sales being cannibalised

xxxx: so far we've (as in community) validated libhybris-wayland on intel SGX, allwinner mali, hp touchpad qualcomm adreno..
xxxx: so it's looking good so far

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

see my post on Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video! thread about «Jolla doesn't care about...»

in another post on this thread someone asked about other hardware partner
considering how miserable m$ device sales are, maybe Jolla hopes to get NOKIA on board as a manufacturer?
then it makes sense not to offend NOKIA
once Flop terminated and the m$ disaster sunk (in), NOKIA will be scrambling to get another OS for their future & as long as Jolla is not an openly trade / quoted company, co-operation (rather then plain dumb acquisition) may be the only way to go

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Ha, I never thought I would live to see this. Congratulations Jolla :D Cool device. It may be my next phone, it only depends on how the Nokia EOS turns out to be :)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

and i hope, jolla can release sailfish os for N9, i want to feel it, and will consider to buy it later.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

A mea culpa would be nice, given your epic trollyness in the past ;)

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The Mer/Nemo images for Nokia N9/N950 already provides part of Sailfish OS to test and develop softwares. Mer/Nemo SDK and Sailfish OS SDK allow to develop to Sailfish OS.

I think that if Jolla release ARM images for N9/N950 or Sailfish SDK ARM files before Jolla smartphone is on the market, some chinese copycat smartphone maker could steal a lot of code & binaries and even release a smartphone before.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

^Yup, that's "part" of it too...
IIRC, that's also alluded to in the post I linked to in post #294.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Can someone create a jolla spec device thread where we list all info we know about the spec?

Jalyst maybe?

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Congratulations Jolla ! Great team :)

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I nominate you dave.

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I'm too confused by the unknown spec to even know where to begin. :o

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

thedead1440 clearly said he didn't want any more Sailfish / Jolla threads then this one & the other OT one he threw everything else (& part of this one) in, no?
maybe one of Morphog's post that he reserved at the beginning of this thread?

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

to Europe & China (telecom partner?) 1st...
are you able to "pre-orcer" just the devce from where you are (if you are not in Europe)?
(if you pre-order only the device, you don't have to pay anything upfront, you simply indicate your interest)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Man the phone looks ugly! :/

Especially the back! At least add the word "jolla" in the center or something... It looks empty and bland! And the bezel is even worse (I usually don't pay attention to that stuff but man oh man is it in my face this time!)...

I'm hoping that the future products are better looking than this one! :/ Will keep a close eye to jolla.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

It does not seem to have platform security crap and they drink beer => i gave them 100 €.

Prost!

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Why not you? Also on 2nd post of this thread is everything collected.

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Dont like the look of the thing, bezels might be so big as to get an easier swiping but they went a bit overboard with it.
In all good news to all folks that enjoy the FOSS movement but they should start soon answering some of the questions that have been raised on this forums about the true openness of Sailfish Os because as I see it now Android is more open than this.
In all my heart wants to trigger the 100 but I still need a bit more from Jolla to actually pull the trigger.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

All those who want to test sailfish on your N9 before buying consider that maybe this is the exact reason that the image is not available. It might well be that some things don't work as they should on these devices and that would put people off as well as create bad publicity on the net. If I was Jolla I wouldn't release images before my own device was out. We have nemo and the sdk simulator to test apps with and that should be enough for now.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

This.
I'm kind of irritated by people's attitude expecting anything N9/N959 related from them. Naturally as a N9/N959 owner you/we can always hope support for them.

And that's not really directed to this forum, more so some of the YouTube and Facebook comments that are missing the point and business realities. They should be crying help from Nokia, not Jolla.

It isn't hard to imagine a 'the-other-half' keyboard slider. I kind of feel this is in Jolla's plan but the demand for Jolla device has to be there for anything else to happen.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Don't pre-order if you're not happy. However this device is definitely a lot closer than Android will ever be to Linux. For one, you'll have a terminal winow, ability to compile your own source code (Python, C, etc.), X11, etc. Bear in mind that no other OS seems to have any interest in providing this kind of functionality.

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No its not, because most of the stuff is mer/nemo so stop cry and go out on github and contribute instead of whine about how not open sailfish is! If you get any trouble with some linrary who is not open THEN you and others can come back cry about not openess platform.

But right now I am seriously sick and tired of people who whines and probadly not even has contributed anything in merproject and only sitting on TMO cry about no HWKBD or bllablabla.

FOr once more REALIZE FACTS! Jolla is a small company stop compare them with ridicilous big companys as Google, Apple or Nokia. They must hold back some info, they most hold back some of the sourcecode and they depend on people who contribute.

If you don't like thjis well go for something else instead of sitting here and cry.

Again, this post is NOT only pointing on igguk there are several more whines on TMO who really never seems to get it!

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Last update for today on 2nd post. Can't wait for end of the year, when I get my preordered "The Jolla". :)

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Big difference with Nokia: You can use Mer and Nemo now, on various other devices. In fact you can use them on *any* device as long as it has linux drivers (too bad this is only true for x86 and pretty much nothing else) Maemo was never able to run on anything else than NIT's, not because of lack of drivers, but because of dependency spaghetti (deliberate or not)

They have cleanly seperated their code from the community code, no tangled binary dependencies, no stupid maemo-generic-pr metapackage. They also contribute to open projects as they work, no big code-drops, android/Tizen style. If that is not openness what is it? Ok some GUI apps may be closed, so what? We can make replacements, it's not like we'll need to reverse-engineer bme.

The system is so compliant to standards that people have managed to run the actual sailfish os from the x86 emulator image on compatible tablets. Try that with maemo.

PS. N959 is a Nokia/Boeing/Porsche hybrid?

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http://abload.de/image.php?img=bktp5geciaecwrz2kuh6.jpg

The shirt this guy wears at the Jolla event gives "The Other Half" slogan a whole new meaning...

those guys might combine it :D

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

afaik China is not in preorder country list. I tried to pre-order and got answer that it doesn't ship in my country