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wolke 2013-11-14 19:41
Re: OpenRepos.net - Community Repository System
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Custodian (Post 1386480)
You can download any application you paid for via openrepos site. If no protection selected, it will be exactly same deb as developer uploaded.
oh, ok. i misread what you wrote {i thought Level 1 was the least you could do with a paid app}.

im no longer a heartbroken dissenter, but i still dislike giving good folks hurdles to jump through {e.g.: dont reflash, or else you have to install warehouse}, while making it more or less just as easy for no-good-niks.

i guess i can only ask that you please default to not using package protector.

{also does openrepos devel have a donations box? i LOVE openrepos to pieces, which is why i was so perturbed by what i see as a threat to its open-ness}

Custodian 2013-11-14 19:53
Re: OpenRepos.net - Community Repository System
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolke (Post 1386484)
oh, ok. i misread what you wrote {i thought Level 1 was the least you could do with a paid app}.

im no longer a heartbroken dissenter, but i still dislike giving good folks hurdles to jump through {e.g.: dont reflash, or else you have to install warehouse}, while making it more or less just as easy for no-good-niks.
You can do anything to your phone. In case of reflash you just perform same actions as you done when you bought application. This seems quite fair to me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by wolke (Post 1386484)
i guess i can only ask that you please default to not using package protector.
It's all up to publisher. When uploading/editing package details select whatever you want: tick checkbox and you are done. Restricted or not. :cool:

Quote:
Originally Posted by wolke (Post 1386484)
{also does openrepos devel have a donations box? i LOVE openrepos to pieces, which is why i was so perturbed by what i see as a threat to its open-ness}
Dont have anything special, only small beer notice ;)
May be it will appear when global donation system will be online.


The main point of warehouse is not validity checks.
It's a client application for openrepos, which will provide spectrum of openrepos services for your device.
Currenly it's only application browsing, installation, update checking.
Soon comments/ratings and nonuser application installing.
Event more to come: I have plans for push notifications service with public api.

wolke 2013-11-14 20:01
Re: OpenRepos.net - Community Repository System
 
Quote:
In case of reflash you just perform same actions as you done when you bought application
for me, that action has always been downloading the deb via the browser and then uploading it my local repo for installing with yum/apt on the device. i have never even opened the n9 or n900 catalog app, and i similarly doubt i would ever want to run warehouse, as long as those admittedly awesome-sounding features {ratings, comments, changelogs, etc} are also available on the web site.

Quote:
only small beer notice
thx, donated.
hah, yea it IS small. i dont think anyone would mind you sticking a larger donate button up on openrepos.net with the same link.

Custodian 2013-11-14 20:21
Re: OpenRepos.net - Community Repository System
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolke (Post 1386496)
for me, that action has always been downloading the deb via the browser and then uploading it my local repo for installing with yum/apt on the device. i have never even opened the n9 or n900 catalog app,
you are advanced user.
How I see general use case:
After reflashing (buying new device), download warehouse and click on button 'Install all application i had installed before reflashing'.

Quote:
Originally Posted by wolke (Post 1386496)
and i similarly doubt i would ever want to run warehouse, as long as those admittedly awesome-sounding features {ratings, comments, changelogs, etc} are also available on the web site.
You are correct.
Warehouse is just suitable client for case if you are at subway to your work, installing app, have launch error, raging about it :mad::mad: , write comment 'NOOOO!!!111 IT IS NOT WORKING!!!11' and give 1 star to application. When you get to work you see some questions from developer on your case, fixes it, and change vote to 5 stars :cool:


Just to clarify a bit more about package things.

Moreover, same application can have free and paid packages. it's all up to developer pricing policy and file management.
For example, use case(theoretically):
My application Nelisquare.
It now have 2 harmattan packages.
First package have one latest file (v0.5.2) and can be paid, so only users who bought nelisquare will be able to install v0.5.2.
Second package have all previous versions of nelisquare and they all are freely available/downloadable/installable, just like all packages from openrepos now.

When I release version 0.5.3 with lots of new features, I add this version to first package, so all my paid-users will get the update. Version 0.5.2 I transfer to second package, so all my free-users get this update now.
Want newest version? Buy application ;)

Akkumaru 2013-11-15 02:03
Re: OpenRepos.net - Community Repository System
 
Where's maemo 5 support? At least, if this one is faster than APPMAN or FAPMAN.

freemangordon 2013-11-15 07:28
Re: OpenRepos.net - Community Repository System
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akkumaru (Post 1386547)
Where's maemo 5 support? At least, if this one is faster than APPMAN or FAPMAN.
From the OP:

OpenRepos is a community driven personal repository system for Harmattan and Sailfish operating systems. It provides a repository which can be enabled on your device.

I guess Harmattan just adds some color in the above sentence.

However, Maemo 5 support is right here, on maemo.org

Sorry for going OT.

Akkumaru 2013-11-15 07:38
Re: OpenRepos.net - Community Repository System
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by freemangordon (Post 1386580)
From the OP:

OpenRepos is a community driven personal repository system for Harmattan and Sailfish operating systems. It provides a repository which can be enabled on your device.

I guess Harmattan just adds some color in the above sentence.

However, Maemo 5 support is right here, on maemo.org

Sorry for going OT.
Wait wait wait, iirc the last time I read the announcement of openrepos is that there will be support for harmattan, sailfish AND maemo 5. I guess that changed...

Custodian 2013-11-15 08:04
Re: OpenRepos.net - Community Repository System
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akkumaru (Post 1386547)
Where's maemo 5 support? At least, if this one is faster than APPMAN or FAPMAN.
Maemo5 support was not prioritized because there are Maemo Garage and extras repositories for applications.
You cannot compare speed with appman or fapman, since it only depends on repository sizes you have enabled. You still need package manager on phone to perform actions.

jalyst 2013-11-15 08:14
Re: OpenRepos.net - Community Repository System
 
I'm simply in awe at the amount of progress Custodian has made on all of this*, in many ways, I'd love to see him snatched-up by Jolla.
It seems counter-intuitive to have 2 separate app systems when they could be merged into one: "teh awesomest matrix!"

*a 1-man team no less!

gdelca5 2013-12-23 02:52
Re: OpenRepos.net - Community Repository System
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Custodian (Post 1386429)
No updates lately, huh? :o
Brief details what i'm working on.

What have been already added to OpenRepos:
  • SailfishOS
    SailfishOS repos are live! If you cannot get to harbour due to storms, you can get some rest here :p
  • Changelogs for packages
    You can now attach change logs to platform packges. Or select 'change autoupdate' option for auto extraction changelogs from deb, rpm, etc.
    If you have multiple versions attached to the same package, higher version changelog will be used. Each platform package have own changelog.
    Changelogs as well as version info will be visible at Warehouse at future releases before you enable repository(install package).
  • Rating system
    Multiscale ranking system added. Currently only one scale called 'rating' is enabled. More scales will be added for voting soon(like usability, performance ...)
    Any expectations here?
  • Platform filters
    Platform filters to OpenRepos. Select your platform to see available apps. Filters not yet working site-wide, but will do so in a short period of time.
  • Some internals
    Bla-bla-bla some internal core changes bla-bla-bla :D

What is done now and will be deployed soon:
  • User vs Lib packages
    By default only user section packages (i.e. no system or core updates) will be visible at Applications and Games.
    Libs/perl-extra/python-extra and non-user packages are excluded from 'avarage user' view and moved into System/Libraries-like categories.
    Same for Warehouse. Special switch at settings page(disabled by default) will let you install nonuser packages, and perform more 'low-level' package activity.
    Packages are going to be resorted based on package category.
    I'm thinking about proper categories which should be used at OpenRepos.
  • Application tiles
    I found N9-Apps style of application tile quite suitable for openrepos, so tiles are changed and will show more info about the application: Name, Icon, Publisher, Rating, Category, Quick Install link.
    Tile will be main form of application display within 'last changed', 'top downloads', category, etc.
  • Application ratings
    Last updated apps seems boring ;) So moar categories to compete:
    Top week, Top month, New, etc.
  • Content flags
    Report system for content abuse, harmful package or merge with other package requests.
  • Favorites
    Dont know if it is really needed, but why not?
  • Meta repositories
    The idea of openrepos :cool: Any user will be able to create own meta repository, and add any applications there.
  • Donation support
    Quick bar for donations to publisher. If publisher specifies any options at his profile.
  • Beta applications
    Beta packages for application, which are available to close range of users you selected.
    This is first step for paid apps support, and widetest for openrepos copy-protection system.
  • Protection system
    Openrepos feature the copy protection system for deb and rpm packages. You dont have to modify your application to get "basic level" protection. Even if package is intercepted(manually downloaded), it cannot be installed on unallowed system. Extra api also will be avilable for devs to get 'activation' information for thier apps.

What is planned for next release(s):
  • Paid apps support
    Working hard, but not yet completed. Targeting to finish that stuff before 01.01.2014.
    Currently i'm targeting direct user2publisher paiments without any 'every month invoice' bullshiieet. User buys, you get money with microtransaction. Paypal (and maybe Scrill, ex Moneybookers) on the launch date. All paid apps will can be copy-protected.
    More details will be available asap.

Warehouse client application will be available for sailfish.
Information about changes and updates will be published later at warehouse topic.
Maybe include another local/regional payments sites too ?, ex. https://www.mercadopago.com.ar/ for latin america.


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