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att 2013-11-28 11:10
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SourenAraya (Post 1389972)
Anyone who already get jPhone can give me installed packages?

Code:
zypper -A se -i | cut -f 2 -d '|' | sed -n '6~1p' > packages.lst
zypper --disable-system-resolvables install --download-only $(cat packages.lst)
Packages RPM's in /var/cache/zypp/packages/ and subdirectories, so i need this directory.
Can anyone upload archive of this directory on dropbox or googledrive or somewhere else?
Can't run zypper. No permissions, at least on default with the terminal app. I couldn't figure out how to elevate the priviledges on Jolla phone.

frullewulle 2013-11-28 11:11
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
have you installed developper package from store?

Garp 2013-11-28 11:13
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1390018)
@Garp

Don't cross-post/derail, stick to the Nemo thread (where you've only recently posted -amongst other threads!) please.
OK just saw exact same question was up here #221ff!:)

thedead1440 2013-11-28 11:15
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1390019)
Can't run zypper. No permissions, at least on default with the terminal app. I couldn't figure out how to elevate the priviledges on Jolla phone.
Use devel-su for root; password is set when you turn on Dev mode... Also I think I read you need to use pkcon or ssu instead of zypper...

att 2013-11-28 11:22
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1390026)
Use devel-su for root; password is set when you turn on Dev mode... Also I think I read you need to use pkcon or ssu instead of zypper...
There isn't dev mode password but there is remote ssh password option after you have enabled the development mode. But that password doesn't seem to work with devel-su, at least for me (or the terminals virtual keyboard is causing problems...)

SourenAraya 2013-11-28 11:26
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
maybe there something like
Code:
su developer
<type password>
sudo -i
<type password>
or like on n9
Code:
devel-su
<rootme>

att 2013-11-28 11:32
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SourenAraya (Post 1390032)
maybe there something like
Code:
su developer
<type password>
sudo -i
<type password>
or like on n9
Code:
devel-su
<rootme>
Didn't work :(

First says "user developer does not exist" and second says Auth failed.

SourenAraya 2013-11-28 11:41
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
maybe password is nemo?

w00t 2013-11-28 11:46
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
The password is the one you have set in the developer mode panel in settings.

flotron 2013-11-28 12:00
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
maybe user root

att 2013-11-28 12:32
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1390039)
The password is the one you have set in the developer mode panel in settings.
There is only SSH remote password option on developer mode panel. I already tried it with generate password button and devel-su didn't work with that generated password. Now I tried the option with inputting very easy password and saving it. With that devel-su actually worked. So either there is bug or the terminal's virtual keyboard caused problems with inputting complex passwords (very difficult because echo is off).

Back to original: The error message is "zypper: command not found", so it seems that zypper is not available on Jolla. It seems that terminal was somehow messing with the lines because earlier it seemed that the error message was "zypper: command not foundd permission not allowed" but it probably was combination of multiple lines (the double d).

Sorry about the confusion.

SourenAraya 2013-11-28 13:32
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
@att yep. There is no zypper by default... I didnt know about that.
You can install zypper by
Code:
pkcon install zypper

javispedro 2013-11-28 17:14
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Has anyone considered the legality of all this?

Among other things it violates the SDK license. I don't have the device at hand but I presume it violates its software license too.

flotron 2013-11-28 17:17
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
I don't really know how licenses are but, we are not selling nothing

ggabriel 2013-11-28 17:18
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by flotron (Post 1390242)
I don't really know how licenses are but, we are not selling nothing
I always thought that so long as you don't commercialise it, you can do whatever you want. You can download the firmware of your CD player, alter it, upload it again at your own risk. If it's within the privacy of your home, it is all good.

Now, in this thread the discussion is hypothetical, as you know, so nobody is actually doing anything :-)

w00t 2013-11-28 17:32
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 1390240)
Has anyone considered the legality of all this?

Among other things it violates the SDK license. I don't have the device at hand but I presume it violates its software license too.
What is violating which license in particular, in your opinion?

(Maybe we need to revisit some things...)

javispedro 2013-11-28 22:47
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1390251)
What is violating which license in particular, in your opinion?

(Maybe we need to revisit some things...)
The problem is that the SailfishOS.license is basically indistinguishable from a standard EULA. Among other things, it paraphrases the usual "Purpose" clause that is present on many other EULAs and for example the EULA for the Maemo SDK:
Quote:
The Software is made accessible to you, free of charge, for the sole purpose of developing and testing your Applications.
With this in place, it is not safe to actually copy any non-OSS package from the emulator VM and put it into non-SailfishOS sanctioned device.

One might argue that Jolla will never sue individuals hacking this this way, but:
a) This is unfair versus projects that use actual OSS licenses,
b) Jolla today is a different entity from the Jolla of tomorrow, which could go berserk, be bought by Oracle, or for any other reason decide to start sueing everyone.

Please correct if wrong.

maluka 2013-11-28 23:11
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Jolla's CEO and top brass have said in countless interviews over the last few days that they encourage people to install Sailfish on their non-Jolla devices. They have also in the past month retweeted a picture of the first N9 to run the SDK build and tried to explain to people that are not offering official Jolla support for the N9. Why is it so hard for people to get over this?

I think the beef comes from a lot of people who expect Jolla to simply roll out an installable build for the N9. Jolla is not Nokia. Jolla didn't sell you the N9 and they don't owe you anything. It's hard enough for them to put out 1 device of their own.

https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/403456905743327232
https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/403160585174409218
https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/405639730282242048

flotron 2013-11-29 03:01
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maluka (Post 1390419)
Jolla's CEO and top brass have said in countless interviews over the last few days that they encourage people to install Sailfish on their non-Jolla devices. They have also in the past month retweeted a picture of the first N9 to run the SDK build and tried to explain to people that are not offering official Jolla support for the N9. Why is it so hard for people to get over this?

I think the beef comes from a lot of people who expect Jolla to simply roll out an installable build for the N9. Jolla is not Nokia. Jolla didn't sell you the N9 and they don't owe you anything. It's hard enough for them to put out 1 device of their own.

https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/403456905743327232
https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/403160585174409218
https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/405639730282242048
Ok, Jolla encourages the port, lets move on

DJJonosound 2013-11-30 09:12
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Read back a bit.. others are trying to help the user who has the jolla get the dump :P

vartanarsen 2013-11-30 15:28
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sorrow (Post 1391013)
So is there somebody with jolla phone willing to dump the whole phone /dev/mtd* and upload it?
Seriously, im an n9 user, but i cannot u derstand all the hi tech code and stuff people are talking about here...all i know is id love to be able to use sailfish on my n9...structurally, i think the n 9 polycarbonate monoblock is bettere than toh concept...and i love the n9 size much better, much better in the palm and hand....

I wonder if there is a market like me, who like n9 body but want sailfish...if there is, id think theyd be willing to pay for an easy to install sailfish solution...i know i am willing to pay

chenliangchen 2013-11-30 16:07
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vartanarsen (Post 1391143)
Seriously, im an n9 user, but i cannot u derstand all the hi tech code and stuff people are talking about here...all i know is id love to be able to use sailfish on my n9...structurally, i think the n 9 polycarbonate monoblock is bettere than toh concept...and i love the n9 size much better, much better in the palm and hand....

I wonder if there is a market like me, who like n9 body but want sailfish...if there is, id think theyd be willing to pay for an easy to install sailfish solution...i know i am willing to pay
Just wait for a bit and thank (hopefully a bit of donation if possible) to the developer who are trying their best for porting.

P.S: I personally have the similar taste as you - I prefer N950 for the HW keyboard and will stick to it until the HW other half comes out. :) Just be patient.

SourenAraya 2013-11-30 16:28
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
who trying to port? Nobody. I requested some packages from jolla phone(is only way to get it - from phone), but nobody can share that packages. Everybody is too busy...

chenliangchen 2013-11-30 16:39
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
I wish I could have one in hand and do this immediately now. Anyway I'm on the first wave €100 pre-order and it should be posted soon. As soon as I get the device (as many others) if their is still no one to share then I will do it. (Hope it does not happen)

shubell 2013-11-30 19:02
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Well as a n900 user i do not want to use a new os on my phone. O want to have a new n900 with better specs and the same or better os. I dont rly get the point why you would want to port sailfish to n9xxx. If you want to have a phone with sailfish buy a jolla. As for me i cannotbuy a succesor to n900 as there is none. Maybe n950 but that is another story.

chenliangchen 2013-11-30 19:08
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shubell (Post 1391215)
Well as a n900 user i do not want to use a new os on my phone. O want to have a new n900 with better specs and the same or better os. I dont rly get the point why you would want to port sailfish to n9xxx. If you want to have a phone with sailfish buy a jolla. As for me i cannotbuy a succesor to n900 as there is none. Maybe n950 but that is another story.
There is a nice thing which completely fits your needs is called Neo900. You might want to check that out.

For the reason for porting to N9/50, as stated above, there are still some prefer Nokia's HW design and size rather than Jolla's hardware. That's not saying I'm not buying Jolla, I just still prefer the design in N9 and N950.

flotron 2013-11-30 19:12
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Thats not the reason i want the Port.
I want the Port because I live in the other side of the world and Jolla will arrive to my country in almost 2.centuries.
I have no chance to buy a Jolla here

kollin 2013-11-30 19:37
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
ummm:

http://youtu.be/6IOX_xAgTM8


:D

anzx 2013-11-30 20:58
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shubell (Post 1391215)
Well as a n900 user i do not want to use a new os on my phone. O want to have a new n900 with better specs and the same or better os. I dont rly get the point why you would want to port sailfish to n9xxx. If you want to have a phone with sailfish buy a jolla. As for me i cannotbuy a succesor to n900 as there is none. Maybe n950 but that is another story.
I'm using N9 and for me the hardware design of the N9 is perfect, I just want normal operating OS, well meego is good and it's design it's even nicer than sailfish's (but this can be solved easily with some decent themes), the biggest problem of Meego is stability.
I want a stable OS, like symbian was on my E72 and decent stock apps (facebook, twitter, skype, mail, calendar...) nothing else.

That's my reason why do I look forward to Sailfish on N9, and I hope this will happen asap.

Silwer 2013-11-30 21:29
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
I consider N9 to be very stable with Meego. Also, in my opinion Jolla Sailfish needs some improvements from Jolla team and ALOT of tweaking to be better on N9 than native Meego currently is.

Daneel 2013-11-30 21:44
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silwer (Post 1391250)
I consider N9 to be very stable with Meego. Also, in my opinion Jolla Sailfish needs some improvements from Jolla team and ALOT of tweaking to be better on N9 than native Meego currently is.
Have you ever used a Jolla?

Silwer 2013-11-30 21:57
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Not yet but I have ordered and paid for one already.

However, my point was that Jolla still has many bugs to work on and improvements to make: stability, browser, wifi hotspot, MMS, etc, etc. And someone has to get this improved Sailfish later work on N9 hardware. Rest assured, that this is not an easy task if you want it to function 100% like Meego is right now. I am not saying that it is impossible, I am just stating that it will take a lot of time. Just look at the Nitroid project - it is still not functional and most likely never will be.

anzx 2013-11-30 22:41
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Ofc you can't expect that Jolla will be bugless in their start, just look how big is jolla and how big was NOKIA when they were developing meego... Jolla needs some time, so if you are a programmer then you should buy jolla, otherwise I suggest to wait... Anyway this is my opionion

http://www.talouselama.fi/nakoisleht...evice/a2218386

Read this, Sailfish on other andorid devices? why not on N9 then? :O

taixzo 2013-11-30 22:57
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
I suggest the first post should be updated with the current status and installation instructions, it's quite hard to find things in this thread.

Hurrian 2013-11-30 23:19
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
The SBJ is actually an Android device with hybris on top :p

More Jollas with Sailfish on top could be brought up really easily!

Oh yeah, btw, thanks sailors!
Code:
# zypper in -t pattern jolla-configuration-n9
...or, for the lulz
Code:
# zypper in -t pattern jolla-configuration-n900
Ideally you'd do this over the bare Mer adaptation for N9/xx, but doing it over SourenAraya's images should be fine too.

I'll leave it to you guys how to get to those configs!
You're treading on ice wrt legal implications.
(warning: EULA)

Gizamkd 2013-11-30 23:35
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
https://twitter.com/chiragkapuriya/s...23943740219393

piggz 2013-12-01 09:56
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
My video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggo1W39TrQM
enjoy!

jalyst 2013-12-01 10:27
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by anzx (Post 1391244)
That's my reason why do I look forward to Sailfish on N9, and I hope this will happen asap.
If that's your primary reason then you need to buy a Sailfish device....
Jolla & closely related entities can't be expected to support 3rd-party devices so that they're completely bug-free, reliable, & performant.
That's only what you can expect when you buy a Sailfish one, or if you buy a Sailfish license, but I don't see them doing that for end-users.
It might be feasible for some Android devices, but it gets much trickier for the N9/950...

Silwer 2013-12-01 10:43
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by piggz (Post 1391316)
Not bad. :cool: What exacly is working and what is not?

jalyst 2013-12-01 10:49
Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)
 
He's going to share his findings in more detail later, he's taking the kids ice-skating now ;)
I'd wager it's still quite heavily broken...


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