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Dave999

2013-12-01 10:51

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Very sexy, piggz.

kollin

2013-12-01 10:55

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

I'm getting really impatient to install Sailfish on my phone after last bug from my n9 (proximity sensor stopped working and the solution is reset or reflash of the device). If i'm going to reset or reflash i'd rather change the OS entirely :cool:

hene193

2013-12-01 11:36

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Quote:

Originally Posted by milad ghusn (Post 1391346)

now SailfishOS has ported to N950 .
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggo1W39...%3DGgo1W39TrQM

Why did you repost this? It is already on last page -_-

Great work with the N950 :)

milad ghusn

2013-12-01 11:45

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Now proting sailfishOS to n9 very close

www.rzr.online.fr

2013-12-01 13:56

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

http://rzr.online.fr/q/n950club# Let's announce a #n950club meeting on #IrC 1st sunday of month 19h UTC to flash #JollA #SailFishOs #MeeGo ... see you in few hours :)

ankjain

2013-12-01 14:26

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

dear all
i am using galaxy s4 and one of my friend bought me a Nokia N9 from UAE in 150 US dollar. i am really looking forward to put Sailfish in N9.
i am used to flash custom ROMs in different android phones right from legendary G1.
what i can expect in sailfish ported N9? will voice calls work because in Nitrdoid this is the only problem i see.

let me know guys. i am a noob in meego so help me .
regards
ankjain

Dave999

2013-12-01 18:10

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Is this a team effort or a one man show?

piggz

2013-12-01 19:37

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

http://piggz.co.uk/?q=blog/2013/12/0...ctly-good-n950

mikecomputing

2013-12-01 19:50

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Seems like Jollas strategy is to push Sailfish to as many Android devices as possible (via the community ports)

However I doubt it is Jolla themself that will "port" sailfishos to X/Y device. I think that is kinda misleading info... What they may do is to allow thirdparty to access the repositorys.

Most of what we have seen so far is ports done by the community thanks to cyangonmod and jollas existing libhybris.

But if Jolla port to some device, its probadly licensed by X/Y company because Jolla has no time to do that when they just released a phone and Infra/Shop etc...

My guess is this is a marketing strategy to talk about those Android portings: The more consumers who test the OS the more intrests they get and can push harder to get bigger companys to buy SailfishOS license hopefully...

Question is if this strategy will work....

and about n9 adaption. People must understand, as some already has said: Its way harder to get sailfishos work on N9 than it is on Android devices. Simply because of the driver issues etc.

Also they can't and shall not use they'r very limited resources on porting to N9 when there is plenty of other more important stuff to fix on theyr on phone and infra, support, shop etc...

N9 port is our job to fix not Jollas. Again people are free to participate in the nemo/mer project...

mikecomputing

2013-12-01 20:18

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ankjain (Post 1391393)

see nemo wayland https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Status/Matrix for what works and not...

(remember: Sailfishos is the top of mer/nemo port)

mikecomputing

2013-12-01 20:24

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Quote:

Originally Posted by piggz (Post 1391448)

http://piggz.co.uk/?q=blog/2013/12/0...ctly-good-n950

I am a bit confused if Jolla has officially allowed us to access theyr repositorys?

I mean if many start flood the repositorys it will take bandwidth from those who has the real device?

Reason I ask is because it worked for me for some hours ago but then I had to reinstall nemo and second try it failed to acces theyr repository because it seems they had removed the ssl certs or something...

qwazix

2013-12-01 21:24

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Quote:

Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 1390409)

The problem is that the SailfishOS.license is basically indistinguishable from a standard EULA. Among other things, it paraphrases the usual "Purpose" clause that is present on many other EULAs and for example the EULA for the Maemo SDK:

With this in place, it is not safe to actually copy any non-OSS package from the emulator VM and put it into non-SailfishOS sanctioned device.

One might argue that Jolla will never sue individuals hacking this this way, but:
a) This is unfair versus projects that use actual OSS licenses,
b) Jolla today is a different entity from the Jolla of tomorrow, which could go berserk, be bought by Oracle, or for any other reason decide to start sueing everyone.

Please correct if wrong.

We you are right IMO, and I wouldn't share the dump from my Jolla if I already had it, on the other hand, if you already have a Jolla and copy over the fs to your N9, Jollracle would need a warrant to search your phone to prove you have done something illegal.

Dave999

2013-12-01 21:52

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

WHAT? So it illegal to use jolla on other hw?

I would love to run it on a rectangular-ish in screen phone as well one Z ultra.

www.rzr.online.fr

2013-12-01 22:31

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Well I have SailFishOs running on N950 ... now let's try to run harmattan apps inside it ? :)

Just486

2013-12-01 23:18

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Quote:

Originally Posted by www.rzr.online.fr (Post 1391489)

Well I have SailFishOs running on N950 ... now let's try to run harmattan apps inside it ? :)

No, please make a clear step-by-step guide about how to install on N9 for noobs, before : ))

mikecomputing

2013-12-01 23:25

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just486 (Post 1391494)

No, please make a clear step-by-step guide about how to install on N9 for noobs, before : ))

there is no easy way:

read the ubiboot wiki howto install nemo first.
http://wiki.maemo.org/Ubiboot

second step is to add jolla repos...

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=289

Just486

2013-12-02 00:06

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

I already have a correctly working Ubiboot with Nemo (actually sailfish lipstick, but they are the same, I can easily reflash to Nemo, I guess)

Well, I don't need an easy way, I need an unequivocal one.
Like: PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS ISN'T AN ACTUAL INSTALLATION PROCESS!!
1, Enable Nemo terminal from Nemo settings
2, Gain root access

Code:

devel-su

rootme

3, Get jolla repos

Code:

zypper ar -G https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.0.0.5/jolla/armv7hl/ jolla

4, disable mer core

Code:

rm-rf /boot/mer-core/

5, and so on

So something like that. No chance to be this clear at this point?

Danderlion

2013-12-02 00:22

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

I can get nemo to boot and that's about it. I think there is something with the touch screen drivers maybe but not sure. Icons just get raised when I tap them and nothing else happen. If the lock screen activates it's just a matter of luck to unlock it. Not sure what I might have done wrong though.
All the instructions where ever you find them says the same thing so I would assume they are fairly straight forward, just me messing something up. Guess it doesn't help that I been grinding at it for close to 8 hours now either :P

Morpog

2013-12-02 00:28

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

known bug, read nemo wiki

Danderlion

2013-12-02 00:38

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

I had a look at it, but only found the fix that requires that I use zypper to install it. I can't start any apps yet. I guess I need to try and see if I can gain ssh access somehow as I can't get to settings to setup wifi either.

Morpog

2013-12-02 00:40

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

yes you need to do that via ssh. Again, read nemo wiki for guides.

immi.shk

2013-12-02 01:17

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Sailfish OS will be available for Android users to install

http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv//newsimg/...marena_001.jpg

www.gsmarena.com/sailfish_os_will_be_available_for_android_users_to _install-news-7295.php

gerbick

2013-12-02 03:12

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1391450)

...and about n9 adaption. People must understand, as some already has said: Its way harder to get sailfishos work on N9 than it is on Android devices. Simply because of the driver issues etc.

The irony that an "open" device like the N9 has issues w/ drivers that aren't open is not lost on me.

taixzo

2013-12-02 04:11

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

So I followed the instructions here on my N9 to see what would work, but after all was completed and rebooted it was still just Nemo. Any idea what I might have done wrong?

chenliangchen

2013-12-02 04:17

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Quote:

Originally Posted by taixzo (Post 1391526)

So I followed the instructions here on my N9 to see what would work, but after all was completed and rebooted it was still just Nemo. Any idea what I might have done wrong?

I have problem removing Nemo repos as well . I'm thinking of waiting for a more detailed guide like Ubiboot guide or wait for a image (if there will be any)

taixzo

2013-12-02 04:23

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Oh, perhaps the issue is that my Nemo image is old (pre-Wayland). I'll try a newer image and report back.

ZogG	2013-12-02 06:12

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sheldon_cz

2013-12-02 07:42

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

As per the legal questions asked:

I am not a lawyer, but the EULA expressly states in point 4 in License restrictions that the licensee is prohibited from:

Quote:

Copying any elements of our Software, including code, graphics, sounds, our name, trademark, logo or other proprietary information, without our prior written consent.

That means that I would suggest going to Jolla to ask for an expressly stated, written permission that we are free to port SailfishOS to the N9, otherwise we might be violating their copyright.

jalyst

2013-12-02 08:30

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Quote:

Originally Posted by piggz (Post 1391448)

http://piggz.co.uk/?q=blog/2013/12/0...ctly-good-n950

Yeah as was said, nothing to get worked up into a lather about... :rolleyes:
At least a few more devs will be able to test "on device" now*, rather than via the emulator.

*but only for certain applications

jalyst

2013-12-02 08:42

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Quote:

Originally Posted by immi.shk (Post 1391512)

I posted the source article that this article draws from yonks ago...
It's quite possible that the source article was very misleading, still waiting to get some clarification from Jolla.

Quote:

The irony that an "open" device like the N9 has issues w/ drivers that aren't open is not lost on me.

It's not like why all that ended-up happening hasn't been carefully explained in great detail many times before.

flotron

2013-12-02 09:29

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

By a Jolla Engineer:

Quote:

Aliendalvik is limited to Jolla-devices only and its not part of the Sailfish OS itself. So sorry no go for N9.

jalyst

2013-12-02 10:27

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Well, that was always a given, unless they ever plan license/sell Sailfish directly to end-users.
Which I don't see happening, unless it's something that's 1s brokered with their handset (likely Android) OEM.

TMavica

2013-12-02 15:48

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Home screen frozen in nemo after boot, I known is a issue
but how can I go to the nemo terminal as the home screen is frozen?

myname24

2013-12-02 15:57

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMavica (Post 1391739)

Home screen frozen in nemo after boot, I known is a issue
but how can I go to the nemo terminal as the home screen is frozen?

https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/USBNetworking

TMavica

2013-12-02 16:06

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

I use windows
or can I use 04/11 that build ?

myname24

2013-12-02 16:14

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMavica (Post 1391749)

I use windows
or can I use 04/11 that build ?

i used the 20/11 build and ssh-ed to the device and installed the unfreez repo . I didn't try the 04/11 one .

mscion

2013-12-02 16:17

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1391563)

I posted the source article that this article draws from yonks ago...
It's quite possible that the source article was very misleading, still waiting to get some clarification from Jolla.

It's not like why all that ended-up happening hasn't been carefully explained in great detail many times before.

In the second link its says that Jolla is not interested in selling OS.
I would have no problem if they charged to provide a port for certain
available devices. For instance if they charged $25 for a port to a
Galaxy Note 2 or 3, I would pay it. I have no problem with O$ if it is robust...

flotron

2013-12-02 16:24

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/5163/goni.png
My n9 is a little emotional right now

jalyst

2013-12-02 16:39

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1391563)

I posted the source article that this article draws from yonks ago...
It's quite possible that the source article was very misleading, still waiting to get some clarification from Jolla.

surprisingly it's completely correct, haven't had a chance to get more detail yet, perhaps others can:
https://twitter.com/zzste/status/407493166699646976

mikecomputing

2013-12-02 18:20

Re: Porting Sailfish to N9 (or other)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1391519)

The irony that an "open" device like the N9 has issues w/ drivers that aren't open is not lost on me.

Well that does not mean Android is "more open". It only mean because of libhybris there is drivers from Android that can be used.

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