Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

Mark spaceshuttle has already said he won't bail out this campaign because this device must be able to carry it self. I think that is good, because if it can't handle the "small" amount it's not meant to be.

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

Canonical posted an announcement 3 hours ago

Your questions answered, and a new perk

Hi everyone

First up, we’ve added a FOUNDER WITH STYLE perk, which gets you an Ubuntu Edge t-shirt designed by the same team that crafted the phone. It’s live now at the $50 contribution level.

http://images.indiegogo.com/file_att...-shirt_web.png

We’ve also had a lot of emails and comments over the past week, so we thought we'd address the most common questions here in the update.

What networks are supported?
The Ubuntu Edge is an unlocked device that works in all countries with GSM/3G/LTE network services. For GSM, which covers a lot of countries but not all operators, the Edge will support the 850, 900, 1800, 1900 and 2100 MHz frequencies. You can check support in your country here.

The Edge will support LTE standard frequencies and multi-band support for roaming. Yes, you can use the Edge on Verizon and Sprint.

Will the phone work with my Mac?
Ubuntu Edge can be connected to any laptop via USB and will appear as a mass storage device. You can transfer files as required.

Will there be an Ubuntu app store?
Yes, you will be able to download free and paid-for applications.

Will the Ubuntu Edge be sustainable and/or hardware hackable?
While we will do our best to keep the hardware as open as possible, these are not the main focus of the project in its first generation. Hardware that’s capable of convergence is the priority.

Have you chosen a CPU/GPU?
We have not chosen a supplier or an architecture yet -- whether x86 or ARM. The decision will be taken before production to ensure the fastest available components, and will be driven by benchmarking.

Are you going to make a 64GB model?
We firmly believe that to offer a fully converged experience you need 128GB. Cutting down the specs goes against the ethos of the campaign. You can still access cloud storage and external HDD via USB 3.0.

Why is your screen 4.5 inches and 720p?
At 4.5 inches the move from 720p to 1080p brings little noticeable benefit and puts a greater strain on the hardware and battery. We’re more concerned with photo-realistic colours and contrast.
What are you doing with audio?

With stereo speakers and dual-mic stereo recording, adaptive noise cancelling technology, and a solid DSP, audiophiles should have everything they need.
Where and when is the unveiling event?

We will confirm the unveiling event later this year, subject to a successful campaign.

If you have more questions please ask -- we’re doing our best to answer them all.

Keep on referring and sharing the campaign!
The Ubuntu Edge team

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

No T-Mobile 3G in the U.S.

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

Yeah, no 1700 listed as GSM

But.. Tmobile runs 3G on 1900MHz in some regions and if the device supports LTE/AWS band IV then it will have 4G support on 1700MHz and 3G everywhere tmo runs 3G on 1900

I don't have a citation on hand but I believe tmo's long term strategy is to ditch all 2g, convert all 2g to 3G, and convert all their 1700/2100 nationwide to run 4G... 2014 March enough lead time to not get caught in the middle/stuck on 2g in regions?

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

I just bought a shirt but it seams that the money will be refunded. I also think that both ubuntu and jolla shirt are really ugly, why not design a nice one that you can use?

anyway - 16368 founders ATM, unfortunately its seems to be too few.

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

It's gonna happen if Mike wants it to, cause a few $M is just not that much for Shuttleworth. Unless if he has already planned all along to make this just a 'free' publicity ride (and market research) before the main event.

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

This is what T-Mobile site says

4G Long Term Evolution (LTE) is an enhancement of T-Mobile’s nationwide 4G HSPA+ technology. LTE delivers faster speeds—especially for uploads—and more capacity.

T-Mobile’s 4G LTE network will operate on the same band as our 4G HSPA+ network, Band IV, which uses 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies to transmit data services.
4G LTE does not carry voice services, so calls will fall back to our HSPA+ network until voice over LTE (VoLTE) software is ready.
T-Mobile’s 4G LTE equipment will be the newest and most up-to-date of any carrier.
The 4G LTE experience will differ depending on several factors including spectrum configuration, device, coverage, and location.




On my Note 2 I get about 20mb/s to 30mb/s max download and 10mb/s to 20mb/s upload speed on 4G/4GLTE in Gaithersburg MD

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

Sure, he has the money but as I told you he said he won't do it. If the campaign fails I think they will concentrate their effort to launching ubuntu for other devices.

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

Haha
:D
Hahaha
:D

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Maybe Bill Gates will, in a philanthropic gesture, provide the rest of the campaign needs...

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

You can contact them here, but you need a great reason... ;)

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/

Asset Trust Endowment: $36.4 billion

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

*ring**ring*
You:"Dear Mr. Gates, please fund our Ubuntu Project"

Mr Gates: "Ubuntu? Does it run windows phone 8?"

*tuut*tuut*tuut* - line dead -

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

what Mark I guess didnt get is a smartphone didnt get in every pocket because people were *looking* for mobile desktops.

People just wanted the most powerful/capable devices out there. (only reason I hook my n900 up to my large-format display is because its reliably available when other PC's arent and I want to play a youtube clip...)

720px wide/4.5" screen (just under what the Nexus4 provides) was the wrong move. If he wanted 32M$ of backers in 30 days he should have just embarassed all the flagship mobiles with insane storage, RAM, processing capacity, battery, and a competitive screen.

To get real breakout appeal it had to be 1080px wide and ~4.7". One it had backers and got in peoples pockets *then* they could all find out the utility of converged/mobile computing.
...terribly clumsy way to get his market data otherwise

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

4.5in "optimized" for one hand input/not willing to adapt UX to high density screen is a bad reason to sink your whole project.

i'd think a little harder about how one might "optimize" a flexible swipe-ui software to support a display all of 0.2" diagonal larger.. unless he's got a strategy to produce a smaller run for less $$Millions.

even worse excuse if they keep using terrible pinch-to-zoom gestures.

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

The problem, in my opinion, is not the screen, but the price. Donation pace was a-okay when the price was right, record-setting in fact. The price went too high to $800+ the first time around, and the sales nearly stopped. They did a rethink of pricing, brought it back down, and sales took off again. Prices again rose above the $700 level and the sales pretty much stopped again.

If we want this phone to get made, the number of units sold must be such to accommodate a sales price in the sub $700 range, which gives you a donation pace equal to the deadline schedule. It's simple math.

At $675, the Edge's specs and capabilities make it a no-brainer for many, but at the $700–$830 range, then not so much.

Shuttlesworth likes to say he wants to listen to the marketplace, so listen! People want the device at $675 or so. He'll simply have to make enough to make that happen.

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

If you trying to build a $830 device with latest spec and using new tech to push the market forward, you can't sell it for $600. So it's not the price. The users are simply not ready for a top notch device with a new OS. they simply don't want it. unless they get i for free ;)

I still love that the are trying. In my opinion, this is so much cooler than everything else on the market. Even a failed campaign makes it the coolest thing. Smart move by canonical and it shows the smartness and boldness. can't wait to run a working OS on my android devices until we see a real Ubuntu device.

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

Canonical posted an announcement 1 hour ago


LastPass backs Ubuntu Edge Campaign

The Ubuntu Edge campaign has new backing from LastPass, provider of the leading online secure password management tool. The company will bundle a free one-year LastPass Premium subscription with every Ubuntu Edge device, up until the campaign reaches its funding goal of $32 million.

“Ubuntu Edge is pushing the boundaries of mobile devices as we know them, introducing the best hardware and most innovative software and convergence capabilities” comments Joe Siegrist, CEO LastPass. “LastPass Premium offers security continuity from a user’s PC to their mobile, we feel this is an excellent match for a converged device.”

LastPass makes web browsing faster, easier and more secure by providing encrypted logins to all your favourite websites with a single master password. Just point LastPass to the website you want to use and it will automatically log you in, so you don’t need to remember hundreds of password and username combinations. It will even fill in your shopping form with personal details securely stored in the LastPass Vault.

Lastpass Premium can be used at home, at work or on the go, with support for a wide variety of mobile, PC and tablet platforms. It also includes multi-factor authentication features and priority customer support.

We are thrilled to see industry leaders backing the Ubuntu Edge, and we thank LastPass for their continued commitment to innovation.

If you want to sponsor the Ubuntu Edge campaign, email us at indiegogoinfo@canonical.com

Not that I will use it so I hope it will be possible to uninstall...

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

@bjv: you're right. If it fails, it must be because of the screen. Because everyone looks to screen resolution first and foremost. Everyone needs 1080p on their 4.5" display.

@Hacker: they need to balance out the price level and exclusivity\time pressure. If they just opened it at $600 fixed price and no quota, then everyone will wait til the last minute to order and end up forgetting. At any rate, if they think the price is the issue, there's no stopping them from doing another "Oops, let's back the price down again and give y'all some refund." round.

Let's see what they'll do within the next few days. The alarm bells must be ringing in canonical the past few days and their marketing team must be already preparing few things to try correct the course.

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

http://ubuntu-edge.info/#total

a bit depressing...
about 3M under goal at this time.

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

Yes, the world won't see ubuntu edge. Lucky Samsung, google and apple. :D

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

How about putting ubuntu edge os on a 128GB micro sd and booting off that. The Galaxy Note 3 should be able to handle it. I currently run Jelly Bean on my Nook that way. Would take considerable effort to make work but you wouldn't need $32 million to get started

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

That is possible but not the same thing.

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

http://www.argimplus.net/fotos/celul...okr-e8_735.jpg
http://www.e-global.es/b2b-blog/wp-i...la-ROKR-E8.jpg
lil bit familiar d-sign :)

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https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1...Ibo/edit?pli=1

Let's compare...

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

Puts it more in perspective, really really nice device

Just needs that Cover mod with Keyboard like N900 than it will be perfect, FM transmit and IR can be disused..., i rarely use those funktions

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http://colorbridge.files.wordpress.c.../bignumber.jpg

http://www.colourbox.com/preview/426...25-concept.jpg

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

http://blog.cooperteam.net/
For those who want to know learn about MIR. It is lengthy and technical but gives you good insight on what it is, why it is different, and why they used it.

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

Great read. Now, go and order an Ubuntu Edge ;)

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

Being four million behind the donation curve isn't the end of the world, but I still think that something more needs to be done. The good news is that these sorts of campaigns usually get a boost in donations at the end, so all could come out okay. Of course, there are less hopeful predictions as well.

I want the Edge built, and continue to advocate for it. I've convinced two other people to get the Edge too, so that's three for me. I'm just nervous that we're losing momentum that could cause people to not donate due to doubt that it'll get made.

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

I would if I wasn't broke.

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

Ubuntu Engineering Reddit AMA today!Get your questions ready! The Ubuntu Engineering team is hosting a Reddit AMA session today.

http://images.indiegogo.com/file_att...535-reddit.jpg

What’s a Reddit AMA? It’s a live text interview on reddit.com, during which you can submit your questions, and Chris, Matt and Alex will try to answer them all.The session is underway right now. Starting Monday August 5 at 12UTC, 8AM Eastern time for 12 hours.*Submit your questions. Here: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment...nd_ubuntu_for/

Don't forget to support the Ubuntu Edge!
http://igg.me/at/ubuntuedge/x/4036946

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

If you bought an Ubuntu edge. Please add you location: http://ubuntuedge.zz.mu/en/

And if you havn't. Watch this...http://wizzardss.com/edge/#compare

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

Does anybody here have a Nexus 4/7/10 with Ubuntu Touch installed?

I was wondering how Ubuntu Touch handles security between applications.
Are they planning to sandbox applications by default?
On a default Ubuntu desktop (and on Maemo) an application that is installed and run by the user can access and modify all files in the home directory (including those used by other apps).
While this is very powerful, this is very unwise if you start using applications in the way people do on iOS and Android (just installing all these closed source applications from possibly not very trustworthy sources)

On:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/27090...n-ubuntu-touch
there is talk that all applications will require an AppArmor profile, but AppArmor has been supported for a long time now in Ubuntu, and as far as I know it isn't required for the applications in the Ubuntu repositories and/or launchpad PPAs.

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

One thing nice about nice Ubuntu Touch is that it reverses the trend of flat 2D user interfaces which I am not a fan of at all.

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

Canonical posted an announcement 3 hours ago
Referral contest winner

The Ubuntu Edge Referral contest came to an end on Friday, and today we’re delighted to reveal the winner.

We’ve said before that being creative is the key to successfully getting the word out, and our winner put in the kind of time and effort that’s fully deserving of the prize. His excellent video, Ubuntu Edge: Explained, has been watched over 130,000 times, and that global attention has driven a huge number of new contributions to the campaign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nei16...layer_embedded

When we hit our funding goal, a personalised Ubuntu Edge will be going to tech video blogger Marques Brownlee, of MKBHD. Congratulations!
Thanks to everyone for taking part. Every new contribution helps.

The Ubuntu Edge team

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

wow, great design! jolla copies that please

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

The backers keeps creating cool stuff.

Ubuntu Edge 3D

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/20...ox-d6gwiuv.gif

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

Bloomberg just bought the big edge package for $80000 :D first company on board...

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

Michael Bloomberg has donated over a billion dollars to Johns Hopkins (my alma mater) over the years. Maybe he can come up with another measly $23 million and finish the deal!

Re: Ubuntu Edge
 

I have Ubuntu Touch installed on a Galaxy Nexus.

The last time I flashed the device with an image was Thursday.

So far there are no special 'Ubuntu' restrictions of any kind yet - it's just like Fremantle, a user application can access any files owned by the main user, even comes with a QtQuick terminal app to run bash.. that can certainly read and execute any files on the device.
Perhaps more like Ubuntu desktop - apparmor is installed and configured by default. Judging by the logged items in /var/log/kern.log it's for now only set up for dhclient-script, the lxc container that runs the libhybris/bionic drivers, and maybe a few others


consider Canonical devs also signaled their intention to switch to a new non rpm, non-deb package format for mobile and this tool 'click' is installed on my image, but 'click list' does not print any output.
All the software that consitutes the image is all packaged as .deb

honestly I dont care what they do for fancy-sandboxed mobile apps, as long as regular linux applications can still be built, packaged and installed to modify the core system, etc.

I imagine their core OS will continue to be packaged .deb and shared with their desktop ARM port and the "Mobile" apps will all have to be packaged with click (hopefully via some kind of dpkg-buildclick tool/require no special modification), GUI package store will show only 'click' packages/run each sandboxed, etc.. However, their mobile SDK is far from complete https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/SdkFeatureStatus and moving slow. "make a website for our api" and "import/export data between apps" are still marked 'TODO'.