Ultimate Hacking device.
 

I just got myself the HTC Universal 64, and this is what I call the ultimate HACKERS device.

Why? It can run triple-boot: Windows Mobile, Debian Linux and Android.

I got myself one from a friend's scrap box. It's in good shape but right now I can't start it up because it wasn't charged for over 2 years. I've got a red flashing LED, meaning that or the battery is dead, or there is not enough enough power to start-up the device.

Once I'll get this out of the way, what's the next thing to do with a Linux device.

I need something to fill up my time, and I will share my work in this thread with each and every one of you.

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Also, if no one knows this device:

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/703...4fom31zo6g.jpg

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/99b...qdweg73d6g.jpg

That's the size of it compared with my my HTC Desire HTC (yes, I am that dumb, I could've compared it with the N900...)

The keyboard is much better than the N900 (since some of you said that there is nothing better than the N900's keyboard). The CPU is INTEL X-Scale (520Mhz - up to 1.0Ghz), yes, the ram is lower than the N900's but it can be ugraded, the ROM is smaller that the N900, but here you go, the ONLY device that can properly replace your N900. Ohh yeah. It's 2005.

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Of course it can't replace the N900.

Have you really spent time with the N900? Doesn't seem that you have..

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Please post a real statement why this can't replace the N900. This is not enough.

I spent enough time with both devices and except the ROM capacity and RAM it can easily replace the N900 with some good hacking skills.

This device is even more easy to hack since the motherboard is just 1 layer PCB (not multi-layer as the N900).

http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki...MB_pins_v1.jpg

Ram can be added by adding 2 extra memory chips (read XDA wiki for exact model).

http://www.palm-center.com/imag/other/ram-chip.jpg

The battery is bigger and lasts longer, because it's bigger. You have IrDA port, Wi-Fi, bluetooth. Uses generic mini-USB cable. You don't need to worry that the flex might break since this device doesn't use a flex. Can run Android. Can run FULL DEBIAN LINUX.

Only things missing from the N900 is the following: camera (it's just 1.3 mpx), light sensor, proximity sensor and GPS, and trust me, on a HACKER device, those are just useless.

Now having all the facts right in front of you, continuing this discussion will just mean that you are a troll.

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The N900...

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This thread is about a device that can REPLACE the N900, not a "worship the N900" thread. I just presented a device that can do whatever the N900 does with a few useless functions missing.

Next time I see a reply like this I will report the person for trolling.

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is the ir useable ?? How about wifi can it theater to androids an adhoc :) how is perfomance and any apps get updates nowadays:)

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oh yes, I am a troll.. thanks for clarifying that.

Doesn't change the fact that this fossil cannot replace the N900 though.

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Well, the IrDA is fully usable. Wi-Fi is tether on Windows Mobile 6.5 OS and Android OS (I did not test this on Debian Linux yet). The performance is good with only 64MB (this is the current RAM I have, but I will order 2 new Infineon RAM chips for upgrade when I'm going to order the eMMC chip for the Desire HD). The only issue with this device is the internal memory, which is low (128MB, but due to extensive development this problem was solved and now the OS can eat up all the 128MB and the SD card is used for the rest). 32GB SDHC Class10 works well on this device (since the other user had a card like that inside). About the apps... No it won't get any software we normally use nowadays, but with development you can easily make ports of the apps (most of them are found on XDA).

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I do believe this thread does not belong to this part of the area on the forum. First off, it has nothing to do with nokia and its own ranges of devices let alone it is an accessory that can be attached/connected to maemo in some way.

Just because it can run debian and/or android does not necessarily mean that it is a maemo device but rather an old maemo competitor.

If you look at the specs of the HTC Universal on the wikipedia you would have noticed that by comparing with N900. There still are far more lacking features that N900 has which your HTC Universal does not have.read here. Note: gsmarena website does not keep an up-to-date information about what N900 could still be capable of, e.g. no FM transmitter when N900 does have one and that N900 can support SDXC 64GB memory (with latest updates).

Besides, I'm sure your HTC Universal does not even offer more direct access to some of its underlying hardware components when compared to N900. Most of which may still be proprietary (not even using debian for example can unlock it). For instance:
- Is the wireless chipset natively supported under linux and that you can use latest mac80211 framework on it?
- What about direct access to DSP components so that you can for example tune the onboard camera to get the best effects? or even say for example overclocking it so that you can watch 720P?

Oh wait, I hear its 2005, specifically Q3 2005. The only comparable device from maemo range would have been nokia 770 internet tablet. Even at that the 770 supports 802.11 b/g mode (as opposed to strictly 802.11b), it has USB hostmode (non-powered, and as opposed to only user mode), it has the same amount of internal RAM and flash memory sized restrictions (not talking about extended storage such as SD/MMC). Sure the 770 lacks phone capabilities, it still is superior in other ways compared to HTC Universal which were released months later and most of all the entire maemo series never ran on android nor windows mobile by default.

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I just asked you to prove why, what can your N900 do and this can't? Until then, you are just a troll that came here to ruin this thread with his opinions based on pure air.

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whatever floats your boat duder.

no way I'm gonna analyse the virtues of the N900 here. just read a review watch a video or buy the damn thing to see for yourself.

stop living in 2005

2009 is the year to be, man!

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To begin:

Here is the description of this board: Relevant topics not tied to a specific program, OS or device. Post here if you can't find a better place. So here you are completely wrong.

You just gave 2 useless functions that are not important on a hackers device (did you read the title, if not read it again, those functions are pure multimedia, not related to a hackers device, or developer's device)

You are sure about the hardware, well let me prove you wrong. At that period of time, HTC was not locking the devices and did not have ANY locked hardware. Debian can run freely as on any pc. I never had any issues to play 720p HD videos on Windows Mobile 6.5 (when I had this device) but the 1080 were a little choppy. When running an OPEN SOURCE OS like Android or Debian, you can fine tune everything you want.

HTC Universal also have the USB OTG host-mode. With the latest drivers HTC Universal can read 32GB SDHC Class10 without any problems.

Please do some more research on the device and the development before posting a reply. Here is a demo of the USB OTG on the HTC Universal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfhbEu2WDnk

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Well I think you didn't mind to read my profile. I think you would've seen there that I am a N900 owner...

I am not living either in 2005 or 2009.

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So why is there sub-topics like Alternatives and Competitors? Are they only used for maemo running on alternative platforms and/or some other hardware running maemo? Wait, why do I see people asking about iOS stuff, android stuff (no not just nitdroid alone) and then ubuntu OS which has nothing to do maemo?

What is your definition of a hackers device? My definition of a hacker's device is where the device freely allows one to do whatever the hell they want with the device regardless if its software and/or hardware based hack.

DSP hack is related to multimedia, sure that I can relate but I was merely stating upon how one (or a few) have discovered ways to make better use, have a look at fcam for instance. Are they not hacking the device to an extent so that they could bring out more functionality?

mac80211 framework. I cannot see how is that relevant to multimedia. If I were to shift my focus directly onto the use of wireless pentesting tools, how is that not redefining the capabilities of the device hence hacking?

If you want hardware hacks, what about battery mod? what about IR camera hack? what about the myriads of other hardware hacks one could do to their N900?

Since when did I refer that your hardware was locked down? I was stating proprietary components that manufacturers do to prevent any regular Joe from tampering with it. Have a look at N900's ofono which was based around nokia's proprietary dialer.

N900 isn't without any proprietary components, this was why in cases of nitdroid for instance one cannot have full featured access as they did when they were running maemo natively on N900.

Not according to wikipedia, . Alas we all know that wikipedia isn't as always updated as what one would expect.

Yet on wikipedia (for SDXC) that states one can use 64GB. These again are besides the point. The discussion of SDHC/SDXC and memory expansion options are not what I was on about but rather the internal RAM and NAND (or NOR) memory.

Please also do some more research on where to appropriately place the threads to avoid being targeted.

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Look good. That thing is so ugly I wouldn't want it even if it could do all the things the N900 can. Which it can't.

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I am sorry to inform you but I read the board's description and this thread fitted as well on the General board. I asked a moderator to move it to the competitors so everyone will be happy.

As long as the hardware is almost the same, so few differences the HTC Universal (or MDA PRO, to be more precise about he model I own). Mods like you said can be also ported to the HTC's Linux OS, so I don't see why it can't run those.

HTC Universal doesn't have any proprietary components. Since HTC does not have an OS of their own, the device was supposed to be opened so MS could install that Windows Mobile 5.0. Windows Mobile 5.0 even that it was closed source, it was easy to hack and so, the developers working on Debian ports and Android ports got those OS fully running without any limitations on this device.

About the definition of a hackers device, you are right. That is exactly what a hackers device is, but guess what, the N900 have some limitations too, and you stated them, the HTC doesn't. Also, for example, I want to run Windows Mobile or Windows Phone (6.5, from that version on the hardware is purely not compatible) I can on this, you can't on the N900, and here we are not talking about the OS preferences, we are talking about the possibilities given by the current hardware.

It's true, the wi-fi it's only b and not b/g but at that time, the wi-fi routers were so rare... HTC decided that on that generation the b/g module is not necesary.

You know what's the only difference between you and me in this thread? That I am having on my desk the HTC Universal and the N900 testing them, while you have your N900 in mind and need to search basic user information. If you do a search on N900 on wiki, there is nothing impressive over there either.

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This is not relevant in this thread. Please stop posting if you can't follow the idea of this thread.

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And what did you expect, exactly? Did you notice the name of this forum?

"Useless" is a relative term. I have never used and will never use Facebook. It is totally useless for me. But I've heard it is quite popular.

Now, let me get this straight. You come out of nowhere, with no history to judge you by, no reputation. You introduce yourself by making a claim that is guaranteed to spark a negative response. Try asking yourself how you would react having seen someone else through this perspective and only then make judgments about who is more likely to be seen as a troll.

I do not know your pet device. For all I know, you may well be right. All I ask you to do is change your attitude slightly for a better chance to get your point across.

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I know this device well,

I even coded for that device ... some directshow / gles dev :)

was on wince that time and I cant say I liked it

related devices of this erra :

http://www.laptopjoy.com/wp-content/...ny-vaio-tz.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget....humbs_menu.jpg

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I think if you would check my signature you would know who I am. The attitude was just right because right before I left this thread somebody told me that there is no device that can match the N900. I found one, now I came back to post about it.

Maemo =/= N900 so Maemo forum was designed for NXXX devices users and Linux lovers. Except Lomax and HELLASISGREECE this thread is going just fine. I am explaining the capabilities of this device and I am explaining any misunderstandings.

You are extremely right here, but this was not based just on a personal opinion. Those functions are just extras for a device used for developing device. For example the GPS, you just developed an app, tested it and now, I just want to see where I am because why the hell not? Get my point? A developer device will never be stable enough for every day use, because there are 80% chances that your app on the first test it could mess up your device. Messing up a device and continuing development means you need to restore a clean environment for further development. This means a fresh install, this means that you have to restore everything... Doing this you just punish yourself...

Now this is the Maemo forum, not the N900 forum, and a good developer don't just wear horse glasses and see only one way, never see the whole picture. Those people giving negative responses are just fanatics, not developers.

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Any personal experience on this Sony device. Can it be used as a phone? Any more details?

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Don't bother answering. User will be banned very soon (broken the rule of creating a new account for bypassing a ban).

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I am sorry but it seems you didn't read the rules of this forum posted HERE and didn't quite understand why I was banned several times.

I was banned because I became too aggressive, I was banned because I filled this forum with off-topic troll spam, my main account was permabanned because I continued creating accounts to continue my "trolling".

Now I had a time-out, I got myself together, I contributed to the community and prove a point in another manner than before getting banned.

Please, before making an acusation, read the rules, inform yourself and than leave a reply.

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I don't know about this guy ,but he created a thread stating that he found a device which can match N900.what's wrong in that.That's up to him.He is perfectly clear in saying that he would like to know more in comparision.Tell him if you want to or leave it.cool.

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The OP is the most annoying poster I have seen in TMO.

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I wish you a good day also, sir! Please stay on-topic or else I will report you for being off-topic my thread.

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Admitting that was a very brave and noble thing to do. I tip my hat to you. But it is not enough to say, "I was a jerk, I am a good boy now." You need to demonstrate it. For a long time. Repairing a bad reputation is hard work.

And what do you expect the outcome of that report to be? "Hey, moderator, I have just created a new account to escape a ban and want to repo..." <beeeeep, carrier lost>

Unfair? Maybe. But that's life. See my point above about reputation.

I'll shut up now. The last thing everyone likes is pontificating. Have a nice day.

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Please this is the last time I ask you people to stay ON TOPIC! Repairing my rep on a forum can be made with good quality posts and not getting into useless fights, it's not like this forum is my life and I really need to work hard to recover it.

The moderators should be objective about a violation of the rules, and on a forum off-topic is a violation of the rules. With this account I didn't break any rules and there is absolutely no rule specifying that a user is not allowed to have multiple accounts.

I know well how life is, but this time I not here for games. I am here to act like a USER and not a casual newcommer. I will report any violation I see, and I will not tolerate any trolls in my threads.

I wish you also have a good day and thank you for passing by in my thread.

And this is where we see the "GET OUT"s.

Staying on topic on a off topic thread. That's original.

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http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/gizmondo-4.jpg


Very hack-able...

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Good day dear Artyom, I appreciate the fact that you passed by my thread but the fact that your answer was off-topic forced me to report you. I wish you have a very nice and productive day!

Also dear sir, the board the moderators decided to move this thread is off-topic compared to the rest of the forum. On this off-topic board are posted different threads with various topics and posing off-topic content in a specified topic thread, no matter the board is in violation of the conduit of the world wide web. Please learn some internet manners. Also, I want to apologize because I re-edited this reply.

I am just curious Dave, what exactly is that?

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It looks like a media player/gaming pad? :p

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Its the biggest and best tech fraud ever released because the managers spend more money on cars than dev/production. It's an epic classic device. It could have worked out pretty well...but it didn't :D

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It looks like an old radio, with an LCD screen and some Chinese game. I was just hoping that he is serious about it and he is not trolling.

where is AMD when you need him?

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Dear and most sincere TheoX,

almost all of your posts including this is written for trolling. especially the op is a joke. but i think you already know that.

the htc universal looks like a nice device for it's time but when you ask people about it no one can tell anything regarding the hackability of it but when you ask about the n900 even the average joe will tell you "isn't that the device that you could load android?".
the n900 may not be the all time hacking device but it definitely is light years ahead of the htc universal and it's still alive and well after almost 4 years. where was your ultimate htc universal when the n900 was launched? where is the community? didn't think so.

i see that you love microsoft products and htc devices but you have to stop ignoring the fact that htc and ms will never bring devices close to n900. the reasons are explaned in this community.

please, at least be honest. curse, insult, do the things you normally do. changing a nickname does not make you a new person. and eventually you will be banned.
again.

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lol at the tags. especially the first one.

"best device"

: p

what...? the htc ultimate? it wasn't even the best in 2005.

qtek 2020i comes to mind (among others)

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Interesting thread for multiple reasons (good and bad).

Regarding the thesis of the OP that the HTC Universal is more of a hacker's device than the N900, I would like to know how he defines a hacker's device. Is it simply the ability to install multiple Operating Systems natively? Ability to fit advanced usability scenarios, like hacking a WEP Access Point? Existence of solid development frameworks to natively develop for the device, even within the device itself? What is it the OP thinks a hacker's device is? And how does the N900 fall short?

Regarding the other side discussion, I didn't realize TheoX had been banned, but I do see how someone who destroyed an N900 by trying to "reflow" the board by nonchalantly aiming a heat gun at it (hint: reflow and melt are slightly different concepts. LOL) would want to convince himself that the only device he can get his hands on is vastly superior to the N900. Besides that, the HTC is way bigger and more conspicuous if you plan using it to cheat during exams.

Just having some fun with you, man. No hating. :)

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I just googled "ultimate hacking device" and I found this:

http://eofdreams.com/data_images/dreams/ax/ax-03.jpg

Enough fun for today. Actually I'm interested about the HTC Universal. Please tell me more.