Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

And I did indeed get a confirmation email that the transaction made it through. It was stripped of 20-30 EUR in the process by some unknown intermediary fees, but still, made it through none-the-less. Thus concludes the thrilling saga of Mentalist Traceur donating money to the Neo900 project.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

"I know there been a lot of questions about OMAP3 SoC, and possible replacements, but here is another one

Since I can't find nothing on your "Technical Feasibility Study" about possibility for Intel SoC like this, I'm asking it here.
Is it possible to port Fremantle from SDK Images or use something like Intel's Houdini libraries to translate ARM code, and use x86 SoC?"

It's not just & only about porting Fremantle, we are also trying to be 100% compatible with maemo-repos & N900.
So Intel SoC is 100% unrealistic, at least in Neo900v1 - N900 compatible one.

But maybe one day :rolleyes:

#lexik

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Isn't everything in fremantle already both arm and i386? Though there might be a problem if it uses a PowerVR graphics chip since there are no FOSS or even binary i386 drivers.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Not... yet: http://powervr.gnu.org.ve

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Who the hell deleted the posts just now ? Or moved so where ? Miserable !

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

The Neo900 subforum is a good place to look at when something is moved: http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=57

I suppose you're talking about this discussion: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92534

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Do you have any plans to hold a presentation at "Linux Tag" in Berlin from 8th to 10th of may?
One of the topics is "Protect yourself: Security after Snowden" [1] and especially after the recent privacy discussion here I could imagine the Neo900 to fit that topic.


[1] http://www.linuxtag.org/2014/en/#security

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Some kind of low fq radio communicatin should be in neo900 if possible legaly or specialy for people who certify for that :) or else i have a feeling its a same obscure cellular device going down as the network gives up:)

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Why people think imei changing help anynomity ? Then the world would have been a decent place as imei changing is too easy for most devices except the bb5 and some obscure mordems where its a bit hard. We should be focusing more on user data privacy not gsm data as gsm is always compromised as its ment to be whatever yo do as you cant be sure if you type google.com and you see a secure google page as the operater can always have a fake dns server which filters extracts the data before its even sent to actual google.com . W

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

i wonder whether the neo900 will beat the north-american-jolla.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

According to this:-
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...52&postcount=2

The N900 microphone input is mono,
what will be the case for the Neo900? I am aware that the line-in
is planned to be stereo..

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

The OMTP wired headset connector specs define
tip: left headphone out
2nd: right headphone out
3rd: mono mic (also used as Video out on N900)
4th/base/sleeve: common Ground

This is what's used in N900 and also in Neo900. But Neo900 allows to switch the headphone out (1, 2) to a line-in function. Probably we will include a switchable boost amp to allow connecting stereo microphone instead of line-in - though that's not yet finalized.

cheers
jOERG

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Would be great..... for me..:)

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Will the new neo900 include also a mobile lawn mower and a mini disk washer?

I would also like a cigarette lighter.
During my trips a mobile shaver could be very useful.

If you include a little laundry machine the neo900 would surely be my preferred device.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

With USB-OTG there are really no limits:

USB cigarette lighter
USB shaver

For the rest, please see here and here.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

A question concerning the spacer frame:
Since it's an additional piece of hardware it's an additional potential point of failure.

I tend to carry my N900 in my Jeans' side pocket which is rather tight (at least if you put a 2cm brick in it).
So far my N900 managed the stress (primarily pressure and sheer force) without any problems.
I'm no expert in materials science at all, so could someone please give an estimate on how the spacer frame might react to the same treatment, with respect to its material, shape (thin ring of plastic?) and mounting points?

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

The spacer is not exposed to particular pressure and sheer force, the two halves of Neo900 are connected via the 4 screws that hold the display sitting tightly on washers basically, which shall work even without any spacer frame at all. The only mechanical stress to the spacer frame is when you directly push on it, which isn't likely to happen given it's only some 2 mm high.

Your concern regarding device mechanical stability at large though is reasonable, and we need to take care that the display half will actually be mounted in a sturdy way to the kbd half

cheers
jOERG

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

some news about the problematic display-connectors: they are not problematic anymore :-D
http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Neo900/media.../DSC01847.jpeg
http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Neo900/media.../DSC01849.jpeg

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

So, if you guys are willing accept bitcoin, I may just invest 1 whole coin into this project, assuming the price rebounds from the crash that just occured (which it more than likely will, for various reasons, that I won't explain here)

That's $800USD.
So look into accepting Bitcoin, as well as Litecoin, it may get you more funding.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Sorry the shop can't accept bitcoins. But I'd appreciate when you contact Sebastian aka dos1, or read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...99#post1407199

Many thanks for your support!
/jOERG

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Just out of curiosity, what's the very rough and obviously subject to change estimate for when prototypes and final devices are expected to be done? Are we looking at 3 months, 6 months, a year, longer?

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

http://neo900.org/#main says Prototypes will obviously come sooner, but we have no quotable timeline for those yet

/j

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Oh wow I completely missed that Q3 2014 thing. Thanks.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Just to clarify, does Q1 start in January or in April?

Sounds like a silly question but here in the UK a "financial year" is often used in the business context and that coincides with the time to pay your taxes, which is in April.

Needless to say, it leads to confusion in interpreting delivery predictions ;)

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Finacial/fiscal year is per company for internal accounting purposes, and we don't use it. 2014 is a common year according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar :confused:

KEYMAT (AZERTY) - Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

On Mon 10 February 2014 15:26:30 P. P. wrote:
> Hi guys :)
>
> Before I softly put my fingers on your collective lips and tell you to shut
> up and take my money, I need to know... Would you have the possibility to
> make some devices (or, at least one...) with an AZERTY keyboard? I've
> managed to only use AZERTY devices so far, so if it can happen, that would
> definitely get me on board. I totally understand if it's not possible, but
> I thought it was worth asking...
>
> By the way, I tried to look if that was mentionned on your forum thread,
> but got no match, so even if the answer is negative, you might want to
> post about it somewhere discoverable.
>
> Thanks for this nice project, and all the best!
>
> P.


Hi P.!
the kbd layout is determined just by the keymat which is easily swapped even
on N900. So your question boils down to "can we find a AZERTY keymat for you?"
Alas I can't answer this question right now, we will see what's feasible and
what we will get when we source the mech parts.

http://headlane-parts.co.uk/Nokia_Sp...r=ASC&limit=50

cheers
jOERG


PS: when you send us a AZERTY keymat, we of course can assemble the device with that one instead of whatever we'll use per default.
part number for french keymat: 0265855
some keymat links (sorry only few to no french ones, may change when you check again later. google for keymat N900 and the part number!):
http://fonecases4u.com/keypad-for-no...-P1330682.aspx
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/n900...for-nokia.html
http://www.etradesupply.com/oem-noki...ty-keypad.html
http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuo...00-spare-parts
http://www.dinodirect.com/nokia-n900...-keyboard.html
http://www.gerry-mobilfunk.de/31361.html

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

A really nice article, and so true. For all of you "why can't we have ACME-CPU with 64GB RAM" fanboys: http://pandoralive.info/?p=2808 (and yet a nice read for all of you who already knew)

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

^^^Do not leave any mm of space in neo900 just cram it with something .

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Really good article. But it raises another "fanboy" question, can you cooperate with Pandora and get better deal from TI, or OMAP5 is rejected because of battery life/compatibility/PCB space.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

OMAP5 got rejected because of risk management: GTA04 is based on OMAP3, and fremantle runs on OMAP3, and it's still unclear if we could get a OMAP5 that would even fit into the case. Then we would need to do a complete new design instead of basing Neo900 on already proven-to-work GTA04 design. Then the question arises whether fremantle could get ported to OMAP5 SoC which is quite a bit different to OMAP3 SoCs. While Neo900 group doesn't do any software porting, it's still a major product spec key feature that Neo900 *can* run a ported fremantle.
And, on a sidenote: afaik Nikolaus is in close contact to the pandora guys since quite a while, he helped them recover from their manufacturing disaster.

/j

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Nikolaus is even in DragonBox Pyra team ( http://www.pyra-handheld.com/team.html ), so I guess any experience he gets from the Pyra about working with OMAP5 will be applicable later on OpenPhoenux projects as well :)

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Nikolaus just told that he just finished mech proto PCB rev#2, with better positioning of a number of relevant things like the holes, the switches, the USB etc.
Stay tuned for photos coming soon :)
[edit] the protos are made of thicker PCB since that's cheaper and those protos are for the Neo900 junkyard anyway. alas this plus some screws not tightened make for a spacer frame gap (no spacer frame yet) that's not exactly looking nice and cute. Thus I wonder if it's a good idea to publish the photos, you might feel disappointed by watching an ugly proto.

cheers
jOERG

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Just donated another €200 to help this project along. I have 2 N900s that would love to have another lease on life.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

pretty pleeeeaaase..?
EDIT: sugar on top?

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

That's not really the photo Joerg was talking about, but I couldn't resist :)

Have an ugly prototype with sugar on top! :D
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8...sugarontop.jpg

Notice the display part being actually connected to it \o/

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Well, for whatever "connected" means, yes it's plugged in to a connector we finally managed to source and which is soldered to that prototype but not itself connected to anything.

Since you seem so eager for it, go to http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Neo900/media...-me-proto-nr2/ to find the whole set of photos and video, incl the "ugly gap" ones I'd rather not have disclosed and a soldering oopsie Nikolaus rather not have seen published (the perfectionist he is :D - I can tell you he's usually doing an extraordinary awesome job at soldering. Nikolaus, consider it as mechanical stress test for the connectors ;) ! We had to do that anyway, eventually).
We promised to be as open as possible to community, so here you are.

The gap is pretty missleading on those pictures, particularly in DSC01853.jpeg (that's why I renamed it to move it all down). Maybe best idea of what the final spacer frame might be like gives DSC01854.jpeg - the gap is still too large, but final spacer frame additional height shall be roundabout no larger than the plastic bridge of case between the USB hole and the gap (which is ~2.8mm) - here the gap is larger due to the thicker PCB material used, and you see best why in other pictures the gap seems optically widened thanks to the design of the display which even on N900 creates some gap-alike discontinuity of >1mm incl the real gap.

enjoy!
/j

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

I'm sure lots of people would find such a gap horrible but I have to say that I actually would not mind if my N900 would become that fat if it meant that I can have a more free operating system in my pocket :) If it will be even thinner than that in the end, only all the better!

But then again I also put up with the horrible shape of the gta01/02/04 ;)

Thanks a lot for sharing this! :D

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Would it be possible (at least in theory) to run Harmattan on Neo900? (Sorry if this has been asked earlier, I could not find any information about this)

I would like not to derail this thread so if someone is interested to discuss this please use this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53551 (Harmattan Hacker Edition thread).

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

I just got second-hand n900 to evaluate possibility of donating for neo900 and so far I'm very satisfied. Resistive screen and physical keyboard are superb, I'm glad you chose this formfactor. I had to fix loose usb though and hope that neo900 will address this design flaw.

Also, seeing that Debian is proposed as default OS for neo900, is there any ongoing project to backport Maemo apps/customizations to Debian? I see several such projects on wiki, but they all seem to be long dead.

And unlike some other posters here I am not going to apologize for derailing thread. For God's sake, this is the only thread which is linked from neo900.org website, I've no idea why you suddenly want to be so exclusively technical here. In that case create separate thread for feedback and update neo900.org website to point there.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

That gap is nowhere near as bad as I expected.
Thanks for the images - Puts my fears at ease. Really no issue at all!