Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

If you like videos, there's another one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1IM9Vd2_2s

Replicant and SHR running on GTA04. Thanks to recent work on the kernel and Device Tree migration, in future I should be able to take the SD card out of that GTA04, move to Neo900 and just boot it :)

Notice how smoothly Replicant works on this 800 MHz CPU (that's older version, newer ones have 1 GHz, just like Neo900 will have) without any 3D acceleration! So all you can see on this video is completely FLOSS.

PS. Exclusive photo from the backstage: https://i.imgur.com/QumRGNo.jpg :D

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Not really sure what I Just watched. How does this video fit in the world of neo900. Replicant is android? I know I'm Totally lost right now.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Replicant is a FLOSS distribution of Android. Everything that works on GTA04 should also work on Neo900. Neo900 will actually be a GTA04 variant, being able to boot the same kernel etc.

Hopefully I'll soon be able to record similar video, but with Fremantle instead of Replicant/SHR. That would be a great milestone for "NeoFremantle" project :)

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Ya considering the neo900 board is a squashed in-to-fit variant of the gta04..this demo shows that whatever the gtao4 can do...pretty much the same is gonna be for neo900..THAT is the point!..woohoo! :D
I can't wait to piss around with it! :D
mean Tecknohakr soundtrack btw :D

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Will the Neo900 support JTAG or a serial console over USB?

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Please elaborate what exactly you want to know. There's serial console (UART3) via low-voltage-RS232 in N900 (under battery) which is used by NOLO and kernel as console and which might change to a proper RS232 adaper in Neo900 (just about to check that detail in schematics). There's a spec for serial over USB via RX on D+ and TX on D- (or other way round) which probably won't get supported. There's USB ttyACM which is supported even by ROMBL in some form. There's JTAG on SoC which may or may not be available on Neo900. There's even EmbeddedTraceMacrocell / ETB with JTAG and its special bus, to do in circuit CPU tracing.
What do you want to do?

/j

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Humm mxkey phoenix bb5dongle etc not gonna work na because of diffrent hardware :(

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

I asked about JTAG only out of curiosity and am unlikely to do anything with it.

What I'd like to know is if I will be able to connect a USB-to-RS232 null modem cable to the mircoUSB port and hook up a physical terminal such as a VT100 (in reality I'll probably just hook it up to my PC and connect to it with cu or minicom). This would obviously be more convenient than building a cable to hook up to the pad connectors under the battery.

I'd also like to be able to do the reverse and use cu or minicom on the N900 to connect to the serial console of a server.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Latest idea we discuss in the team: add a second micro-USB socket and a FT232 converter within the Neo900. So you can access the console any time you like. With standard cables and no need to open the device. Even if you currently use the normal USB socket in OTG mode. And even use it to charge the battery in that case (no Y cable needed).

Of course, this is a quite new idea and circuitry needs to be reviewed.

-- hns

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Neo900 Progress Update - May

Now I have to go, so newsletter/RSS/social media etc. will follow in next hours

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

IIRC, lack of physical hole-for-a-port in N900's case was one of the arguments against some implementations of video-out. I guess that the additional microUSB wouldn't fit in any case holes that we have, so it would be for modders-use (or out-of-case), only?

Or I haven't got the "without opening the device" part - I can't imagine where 2nd microUSB port would go, in terms of N900's outer body.

/Estel

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

The idea is to place the receptacle into the spacer frame. 2.x mm height, sufficient for e.g. micro USB - maybe. The USB receptacle used on N900 needs a ~3.5mm height (incl PCB, ~3.0 without), so we need to find a "low profile" variant if we want to implement this. Or we request another tiny mod to the N900 case, like already needed for the micro-AB receptacle we use instead of the original.
/j

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

thunderbolt Port possible..?

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort feasibility been discussed in this very thread previously, please refer to those posts. Basicaly, we don't have the interface on SoC for that.

/j

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Ok, I understand maybe in the future Neo900 ll then. But another micro-usb. do we need that? why not a laser penn or pointer?

http://www.amazon.com/iPin-iPhone-po.../dp/B00DBPF0NS

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

What is an ft232 converter ?

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

The FT232R is the latest device to be added to FTDI’s range of USB UART interface Integrated Circuit Devices. The FT232R is a USB to serial UART interface with optional clock generator output, and the new FTDIChip-ID™ security dongle feature. In addition, asynchronous and synchronous bit bang interface modes are available. USB to serial designs using the FT232R have been further simplified by fully integrating the external EEPROM, clock circuit and USB resistors onto the device.

The FT232R adds two new functions compared with its predecessors, effectively making it a "3-in-1" chip for some application areas. The internally generated clock (6MHz, 12MHz, 24MHz, and 48MHz) can be brought out of the device and used to drive a microcontroller or external logic. A unique number (the FTDIChip-ID™) is burnt into the device during manufacture and is readable over USB, thus forming the basis of a security dongle which can be used to protect customer application software from being copied.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87mV-FyDChg

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Err whatever , i got it that the thing can do a lot i guess i have used a lot of ftdi devices and authenticating dongles. So can the thing actualy be used with a dongle (whatever hardware) to authenticate an app ? I mean i must use the hardware as the key or else its a no go.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

The FT232 would be used to convert the console on "RS232" UART3 (testpoints under battery) to USB, as well as maybe control some digital signals (powerbutton for example, or boot sequence). The dongle feature is irrelevant here. For details please refer to the FT232 datasheet, which you easily can find via google.

/j

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Very good idea, the spacer frame gives some nice area for custom mods. Even if making a little more space in N900's case for port would be required, it's still much easier for average person, than making a complete-new hole somewhere else.

Personally, I hope for some flat, generic port for VGA (for flat-flex cables) video output there. If space permits.

/Estel

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Regarding MicroUSB, there are also mid-mounted receptacles that only raise very little above the PCB, e.g., the Hirose ZX62M-B-5P. Not sure if this would be an option here.

Regarding FT232 and such, an alternative would be the concept of IDBG, the Interrnal Debug Board:
http://www.almesberger.net/misc/idbg/

It's a small MCU that has a USB stack and manipulates the "master" CPU. One benefit over an FTDI chip is that one can implement additional things, such as remote-controlled reset, I2C, etc. (The FTDIs have GPIOs as well, but they're sometimes harder to use than one may think.)

Drawback: needs to be programmed before it can do anything. The C8051F326 may still be a good choice for this.

- Werner

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

I hope Freemantle would be available as soon as Neo900 is available :D For now, I really wish for a way to donate because my N900 is living it's last life :O

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

hi, all. I wonder when can I donate for the system?

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Subscribe to their newletter on the website and wait ;)

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

seriously,if i own this website i would scrap all maemo, meego projects and start sailfish, firefox, android forks, ubunto for next gen devices. nokia n900 is meaningless now with maemo and meego.
atleast better start a new forum for new age os

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

One could still argue that Sail, FF, Ubuntu would be same waste as you just lay on Maemo&meego. There are no certainty they survives the winter.

One could also ask meaningless how?

Also, neo is not all about maemo either so I'm not sure what you are saying?

But basically one should not answer to this and derail the thread even further. right joerg?

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

_/` thanks...! for sharing! _/`

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Well it's good you don't own this site then...
there are alot of people here who don't share this viewpoint and wouldn't be happy with your executive decision.

My best compromising suggestion would be to start your own website and implement your master plan....

Good luck with "ubunto" tell us how it turns out

+1 COMPLETELY agree with asking not to post this stuff here.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Your first post on this website (in 2009) was:
(source: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...787#post329787 )

It looks like you were quite excited with it back then and even wanted to put it on other devices ;) It's sad to hear so much changed in this matter. I know this is offtopic, but I hope it will get moved to separate topic and not deleted, that's why I'm responding (and I believe this person is not trolling, just disappointed with Maemo as reading her/his posts gives me impression that she/he is really not the target audience of Maemo - and this not the target audience of Neo900).

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

So basicly the housing proving to be curlpit for innovation ? Is it that hard or not fesiable to produce own custom housings reusing existing parts available like modifying the board casing part with a gazilion holes etc maybe providing an i2c connector at the back in a way that people can create smart backcovers with their projects etc for a seperate batch then it could be a win win situation as what simply coudnt be provided or is cramped skewed in orignal housing could be provided in custom housing as its already planed to provide complete devices basicly modyfing the parts direly needed . . Just think of it as 2 variants -neo900 and neo900 pro :)

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Hey,

why can't I directly forward my money to the Neo900 UG? You promised that!

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Because GDC declares the final end of the participation from GDC in the Neo900 project. Read here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...1&postcount=88

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

where is joerg?

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Please see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...45#post1427045 and below.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Things gone south ?? West ?? East ?? North ??

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

In a very difficult position I guess. Let's wait for any statement from him, I think it won't be long, but not immediate either :) Let's wait till the initial emotions chill down a bit - that would be my advice.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Sure. And the last one leaving, don't forget to turn the lights off.

Anyway, pity. It was an interesting project with a huge chances of delivering amazing device. Just get cursed by very, very bad person striving to be in charge. And managed to do so, it seems. I hope he will find driving and empty wreckage of a bandwagon a pleasant thing.

For all other intents and purposes, R.I.P, Neo900, we will remember you. We will remember who killed you, too.

/Estel

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

A last time for you to take notice: it been Nikolaus who decided to rather not have project leadership and suggested I should do that.
Please stop trolling!

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

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Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Wait a second, I just read the DragonBox Pyra thread and Nikolaus is also involved in that. So he was involved in both projects?