Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Yes.

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Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Joerg always was and is a project leader and did not need my suggestions. Neo900 was and is his idea. And when I proposed as a solution to the organisational issues, he declined to pass project leadership to GDC.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Yes. And even more projects. But what has one to do with the other?

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

They're similar devices aiming for similar objectives but for different consumers. It's amazing you can juggle with all these projects. You are still helping the Neo900 if I understand correctly right? Because it's not affected by the recent problems?

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Akkumaru,
please see http://neo900.org/news-0009-progress-update-march
Please note that we just are about to undergo a major reorganization of Neo900 project's internal structures to cure the uncertainties we naively introduced during initial phase when we rushed things. Final results of that restructuring are not something to discuss yet, we're just about to evaluate our opportunities and options. Thanks for your patience. :-)

/j

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Does anyone know where these devices will be made? I kind of miss my N900 since getting the N9 but the dated hardware is tough to deal with...

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Most likely in Bavaria, Germany by Global Components.

Of course it's subject to change (but rather not likely).

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

In that case I might be getting one too! :)

Will there be an option to send my N900 in to get "redone"? Are they just buying N900 shells from Nokia or buying New/Refurbished N900s and redoing them or are they remanufacturing the shells from scratch.

"Donations are temporarily suspended due to reorganisation.
We're sorry for inconvenience.":confused:

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Also one request if it's possible. I know this might bring the price up a bit but it's EXTREMELY important in a modern phone. I quite liked the high voltage output on the N900 and I hope that doesn't change (or changes for even better) but I REALLY think it would be a good idea to put NATIVE 192khz/24bit support through a good DAC - it can be an AKM, Wolfson or Burr-Brown for example. Most everyone uses their phone as their portable audio player these days and having a good DAC that can play HD audio natively and with excellent quality is important as is the audio circuitry on it!

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

I dunno what are the limits of the tlv320aic34 off top of my head, but it probably is capable of 192kHz and maybe even has 24bit. Anyway we need to use this codec for compatibility to N900, otherwise I might consider Wolfson. But honestly we only have 3.5mm AV connector for analog audio out, seems not suited for the level of audio quality you are talking about. I will take care about audio quality (I'm notorious for that ;) - see the bass fix for Neo Freerunner), but only in a reasonable amount of expense in relation to the system immanent limitations. What I already considered is bypassing any amps for AV-out so you can have the pure D/A analog signal (after proper filtering for EMI) on 3.5mm AV "line-out".
You're free to add a better audio card via USB, either to external USB micro-AB or "embedded" and connected to the expansion interface.

/j
PS: I did a lil fancy and dug up http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/slas538a/slas538a.pdf and checked
So no 192kHz but at least 96, and actually even 32bit on top of the 24bit you requested. :)

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Awesome thank you! Wow that is a Burr Brown and a decent DAC for that. Will it still have a high voltage output like the N900 does?

Also when you say I can hook up an external DAC/AMP via USB, this will only work with USB 1.0 DACs and Amps that don't need a driver, correct? Or will it work with standalone DACS like the Schiit Bifrost http://schiit.com/products/bifrost and portable DACs like the iQube V3 or V5? http://www.moon-audio.com/iqube-v3-p...-amp-dac.html#

If so I can help you advertise the new N900 on the Head-Fi forum to the guys there and they would definately be interested! :-)

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

We are planning to use an excellent low-noise low-distortion highly efficient class-D amp for speakers. The amp used for AV should provide at least same high-voltage capabilities like N900. The USB-hostmode should support USB2.0.
thinking aloud (quote from IRC neo900 channel):

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Sorry, the SoC (CPU) doesn't offer support for USB3.0. Retrofitting with adapter chips is useless and will not be considered.

/j

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

See the latest post on Neo900 website: Spring cleaning and more news!

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Updated post#1 - folks you should have called me out on that one a 6 month ago the latest ;-)
Sorry for neglecting it.

on a sidenote: admire Werner's awesome work in preparation for giving the whole development process a clean touch&go: http://neo900.org/stuff/werner/tmp/n...2014061708.pdf

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

We've just launched the promised µblog on our website!

See it there: http://neo900.org/#news
...or follow on Twitter: http://twitter.com/neo900ug
...or like on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/neo900
...or use feed reader: http://neo900.org/feeds/ublog.atom.xml

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

I'm not sure if this link was already posted somewhere, but even if it did, I guess it won't hurt to make it more visible.

If someone is still confused on GDC's role in the project, why it "stepped down" and if it will still work on the project, please see this mail from Nikolaus: http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail...ne/005711.html

It's yet to be decided on how exactly GDC is going to contribute to the project. We need Nikolaus to return from his vacations in a few days, which is also when transfers from GDC to Neo900 UG and processing refunds will continue :)

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

An impressively open - and plausible - response. Much the same from this side too. I REALLY hope this initiative survives and prospers.

To those involved, enjoy the summer, breathe deeply, relaaax.......

(I know, o/t)

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

"from the archives"
N900 versus Neo900-2014-1 bare boards
http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/DSCF0308.JPG
http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/DSCF0309.JPG

special fancy artwork ;)
http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random...n-DSCF0309.JPG

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

not even gone on sale??
the entire device or just the plate? be sold?

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

the artwork version is available as 40*60 poster

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Could you please look at http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=1935

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

lol ....how do one finds posts precisely ? (ot)

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Actually USB2.0 is one of the fastest interfaces for bidir data transfer that the SoC provides. That's also the reason why I said that retrofitting with adapter chips doesn't make any sense, the data coming in fast would "congest" inside device while outbound data wasn't available at higher bandwidth than internal USB2.0, not matter what interface we convert that USB2.0 to.
There's one way to get data in and out of device at maybe 10GB/s, but it hardly qualifies as "wired" unless you attach a wire to your 64GB uSD card ;-)

/j

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

I don't know which "ugly restrictions" you refer to. We still can't tell for sure which destinations we can ship to, so basically not much will change.
Transfer speeds is exactly what I tried to explain to you. There is no way the CPU can transfer more than 480Mbit/s to/from the outside. And actually access to internal storage is even way slower on N900 (~14Mbyte = ~100Mbit per second), for Neo900 we will see if we can get faster eMMC card. There's not much use in transferring constant streams of data into device at higher speeds than the device can store them internally.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

No, not yet.

I guess you could donate directly and ask us to send the device to pichlo (of course if he agrees to!), that probably won't be a problem, but we cannot confirm yet where we will be able to ship to and where we won't. We'll try our best, possibly refund when shipping to your place turns out to be impossible... so you can take a risk and donate now, but be aware that we simply don't know yet if direct shipping to your place will be managable.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

please have a look at this awesome work by endsormeans: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325

and here a sketch of how spacerframe/kbdframe design will look: http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/spacerframe/sketch.pdf
/j

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

There are no limits at money transfer itself. If you're able to find some way to send money to our bank account and we'll receive it, it's all fine.

At some places it may be hard or expensive (or even both) to find a way to send an SEPA/IBAN transfer. We may offer some alternatives soon.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

It's now possible to donate via PayPal!

See: http://neo900.org/donate

We're looking into some possibility to donate via BTC as well (but don't take that as an announcement, it's nothing more than "looking into" yet :P )

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

please see http://neo900.org/donate anyway, it also has a link for "transfer from GDC"
cheers
jOERG

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

hi, joerg_rw and dos1

I've tried to donate using paypal, it worked perfectly, under the name of Steven Wongso from Malaysia

Can you send me an email of confirmation???

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Hi Steven!
I confirm PP inbound. Thanks a lot for your support! :)
Please allow several days until we established and streamlined our automated confirmation/receipt email gear for PayPal as well. your donation is the first one on PP :D

cheers
jOERG

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

well, joerg, I hope you will have a proper global shipping service when neo900 already in mass production

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Check https://btc-e.com/, it's coin exchange but maybe some trick with their API can fit it to your needs.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

so, joerg_rw, is it final, that the casing for neo900 will 2.8 mm thicker than the original one??

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

See our refreshed homepage and the "Roadmap" thread by Werner!

It's not the end of updates to our website. For instance, its content is slightly outdated in a few places and it's high time to do something with it ;)

It seems to be final, yes.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

as final as it gets with devices under R&D. Literally everything subject to change when R&D unveils a new requirement or opportunity. But yes, pretty much finalized on that spec detail (may still change to anything tween 2.2 and 3.5)

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

3.5 :eek: i.e increased thickness like 3.5mm earphone plug :,- oh god why on earth one cannot slim down a n900 .. Mostly every idea to make more of it involves fattening it :D

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Because we can't outperform Nokia on miniaturization. Even building exactly same thing as Nokia did in N900 would not allow us to go smaller than they did. Rather we would need additional space to implement some things without the very special customized solutions Nokia had at hand, since those sometimes need high initial investment into tools and machinery. Exactly same reason why we use an existing case instead of building our own nicer one.
And in the end you want to have more in Neo900, not less - right?

/j

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Indeed....