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gerbick 2013-10-01 23:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1377756)
So I'm guessing everything's been said on this, hmm?
Give it time. People are more upset about the $25 million dollar payout to Elop and his reason for not taking any less is due to his divorce - daddy gotta pay his baby in full with Nokia money or else (reverse pimping) - than to talk about how Microsoft bought Nokia because sooner than later nobody will make Windows Phone 8 (and higher) phones and thus... they can't complain or add more to this discussion quite yet.

Ballmer (force) retired. Elop (Nelson: "Ha ha") divorced. Jobs (and the US government) is dead. Nokia (they really tried) is no more.

What else needs to be added?

youmeego 2013-10-02 00:15
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jolla need to team up with nokia to produce pureview before Microsoft buy them

Lumiaman 2013-10-02 01:42
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This is the ecosystem pressure that Microsoft is hoping for to sell their devices:

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/10/...ce=yahoo_quote

gerbick 2013-10-02 01:43
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Originally Posted by youmeego (Post 1378112)
jolla need to team up with nokia to produce pureview before Microsoft buy them
Anything Nokia does now will be with Microsoft looking over their shoulder and waiting on the right time to either pounce on them to force them to pay royalties like they're currently doing to many Android device builders or they will try to swoop in (probably with Elop aka the Boston Chicken/Macromedia/Nokia Killer/Chief Executioner Officer) and remove anything they consider competition.

I wouldn't touch a Nokia backed investment if I were Jolla unless that contract was worded as tightly as Mrs. Elop divorce papers.

I still have "I've Had the Time of My Life" stuck in my head...

gerbick 2013-10-02 01:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1378119)
This is the ecosystem pressure that Microsoft is hoping for to sell their devices:

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/10/...ce=yahoo_quote
That's a rather damning article. IT "in bed with Microsoft", "we fought hard for iPads"... not exactly ecosystem pressure as much as it seems to be a technology stance that's not currently deployable (Windows 8 version ready by next year) and the pilots feeling like they were forced to accept 11k Surface devices.

Don't get me wrong, I actually have a Surface RT, probably will get the Surface 2 Pro if Wacom finally delivers drivers for the Wacom Cintiq; but that's because I want two screens that I can design on. Nothing like replacing some of the iOS apps that I actually like and use.

But that article is rather hostile at the base of it all.

kjmackey 2013-10-02 03:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1378122)
But that article is rather hostile at the base of it all.
And 11K devices isn't anything at all. Not to Microsoft.

jalyst 2013-10-02 04:34
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1378120)
Anything Nokia does now will be with Microsoft looking over their shoulder and waiting on the right time to either pounce on them to force them to pay royalties like they're currently doing to many Android device builders
The agreement gives away most of their IP (not all of it) in that division but 0 of their patents, so they can start sw/hw from scratch (or get it from elsewhere) using their patents, & in most cases MS can't touch them. But, aside from that they're best of buddies going forward, if Nokia ever gets back into that sector (which most pundits say is very unlikely for various reasons), it'll most likely be in close cooperation with MS. If MS is still in that game...

Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1378122)
Don't get me wrong, I actually have a Surface RT, probably will get the Surface 2 Pro if Wacom finally delivers drivers for the Wacom Cintiq; but that's because I want two screens that I can design on. Nothing like replacing some of the iOS apps that I actually like and use.
I'll be deciding between a: Lumia 2520/Sirius, Surface 2, or Surface 2 Pro in a few mth, + maybe a new top-end Android tablet. "rubs hands"

danramos 2013-10-03 09:36
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Oh the irony... I found this in some treasure I had tucked away in my predictions bookmarks from the old, original 'Let's talk Nokia stock' thread:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...22#post1239622
Quote:
Christ. Nokia has been in the hands of a very few for as long as Nokia has existed. Ultimately they have the last word. They have done much more drastic things in the past than to change the OS on bloody phone.

You people got to stop trolling!!! Elop is hired to do a job, and he is doing it. Nokia will NOT run out of money. MS will NOT buy Nokia. There are no parasites, moles or other evilness involved.

This is what is going to happen:
Nokia will launch a WP8 Lumia PureView and become King
Jolla will launch a bug nest with no features, no ecosystem, and disappear after less than a year. (this wouldn't prevent me from getting a device though, if I can get hold of one. Will they even be sold outside China?)

I will be happy. You will continue to be cry babies blaming some obscure old lady for ganging up with Elop, exercising voodoo spells upon the Jolla.
HEY, SPECC! Are you still out there? :)

uTMY 2013-10-03 09:53
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ooo the baiting game ....

please me too ..... I wanna play

:-)

rgds

gerbick 2013-10-03 10:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1378336)
HEY, SPECC! Are you still out there? :)
http://gerbick.com/images/popcorn.gif

danramos 2013-10-03 10:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1378341)
ooo the baiting game ....

please me too ..... I wanna play

:-)

rgds
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1378353)
Well, it's gotten too quiet here lately. Mind you, I realize this is a MAEMO forum and thus it's natural for it to be as quiet as the grave now, but still... let's at least TRY.. :) Besides, Specc was just so sure of his predictions while everyone was just so sure he was full of crap. Just wanted to see if he had any opinions, assuming he had the man-parts to stick around. :) Some citing of statistics and facts might even be in order this time around, I'd hope!

Rauha 2013-10-03 10:50
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Wasn't Specc just a new post-ban username for the artist previously known as Ericcson?

thedead1440 2013-10-03 11:09
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Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1378360)
Wasn't Specc just a new post-ban username for the artist previously known as Ericcson?
Indeed....

Lumiaman 2013-10-03 11:16
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I liked specc. A bit to intense at times but spot on when it came to fanboyism and distorted world view that few hold here.

Lumiaman 2013-10-03 11:18
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Anyways, MS is the only growing OS these days and I think they have a good product but that is not enough in this ultra competitive days. Jolla really has no chance whatsoever. It has no brand presence anywhere, is not even a blip on google trends and overall a leaderless bunch of not sure whos.

danramos 2013-10-04 12:58
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Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1378360)
Wasn't Specc just a new post-ban username for the artist previously known as Ericcson?
Wow really? So... he picked a dying company's name, stood up for that dying company until it no longer existed, changed his name, this time sided with Elop and Lumia to make wildly incorrect predictions of their success and then slowly, quietly began to disappear again along with Nokia's Lumia brand and their popularity? Sucks to be so dedicated to a particular brand that can't deliver.

Rauha 2013-10-04 13:27
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He was/is swedish.

Ericsson is just about the most swedish name around. Very possible that the original username had nothing to do with the Ericsson corporation. But yeah, he was pretty much the most hardcore Nokia fan ever. No matter what Nokia, the love and defense was never ending.

switch-hitter 2013-10-04 13:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1378369)
Anyways, MS is the only growing OS these days
Android market share Q2 2012: 64%
Android market share Q2 2013: 79%
Isn't that growth?

I read just this morning that Android tablets had seen 240% growth YoY in Western Europe. iPads were down 9%.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1378369)
Jolla really has no chance whatsoever. It has no brand presence anywhere, is not even a blip on google trends
As Jolla's primary focus is China perhaps you should be checking Baidu, Qihoo So or Sogou. Google is but a mere tiddler in China with about 4% market share.

pichlo 2013-10-04 14:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1378369)
Anyways, MS is the only growing OS these days
http://xkcd.com/1102/

mikecomputing 2013-10-04 20:56
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I actually start like lumiatroll

keep going in the thread, with your garbage, and kill TMO!

Lumiaman 2013-10-04 21:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1378553)
Android market share Q2 2012: 64%
Android market share Q2 2013: 79%
Isn't that growth?

I read just this morning that Android tablets had seen 240% growth YoY in Western Europe. iPads were down 9%.


As Jolla's primary focus is China perhaps you should be checking Baidu, Qihoo So or Sogou. Google is but a mere tiddler in China with about 4% market share.
Show me the trends of Jolla popularity there? You just gave me links to nothing.

Lumiaman 2013-10-04 21:11
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Awwwwww....its even trailing my dumb phone...Lumia 620


http://www.google.com/trends/explore...a%20620&cmpt=q

Dave999 2013-10-04 21:11
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Not yet. The story haven't told the end yet. How successful will windows be and the history might be written by Microsoft.

switch-hitter 2013-10-04 22:35
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1378637)
my dumb phone...Lumia 620
I'm glad you've finally acknowledged Windows Phone devices are not real smartphones. That's progress.

Lumiaman 2013-10-05 00:01
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1378660)
I'm glad you've finally acknowledged Windows Phone devices are not real smartphones. That's progress.

Believe it or not, that $200 phone is much smarter than N900 or N9, for which i payed much more than that.

gerbick 2013-10-05 01:48
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1378669)
Believe it or not, that $200 phone is much smarter than N900 or N9, for which i payed much more than that.
Watch your spelling young man. It's "paid".

jalyst 2013-10-05 01:58
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He's middle aged, 2+- kids going into teen yrs IIRC.

switch-hitter 2013-10-05 09:49
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1378669)
Believe it or not, that $200 phone is much smarter than N900 or N9
Not.


Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1378676)
Watch your spelling young man. It's "paid".
I don't think English is his native language.

juiceme 2013-10-05 18:59
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1378709)
Not.
I don't think English is his native language.
He's American, of that I am quite sure. But of course there's also people in the USA for whom english is the second or third language...

Lumiaman 2013-10-05 20:08
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1378709)
Not.


I don't think English is his native language.
It is smarter. Everything basic works flawless. Calendar and email sync, texts don't get mixed up. Got my basic apps. No need to mode to make it fluid or prevent freezes or reboots. And $200 only. Maemo and Harmattan are beta versions.

English is not my native language. That is correct. So is juiceme.

zimon 2013-10-05 21:45
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TMO was right.
Nokia didnt listen.
The world lost.

Lumiaman was wrong also. MS never got it (WinCE v1 - v8) working like people wanted. WP and W8 suck.

The justice is done, if MS in couple of years dies away. Keep boycotting Microsoft, and tell others about it. Should be easier after the NSA leaks to get people to switch to OSS (Linux, Libreoffice, Ekiga, ...) from Microsoft (Windows, MS Office, Skype, ...)

xanderx 2013-10-05 23:03
Re: Microsoft buying Nokia's devices & services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1378369)
Anyways, MS is the only growing OS these days and I think they have a good product but that is not enough in this ultra competitive days. Jolla really has no chance whatsoever. It has no brand presence anywhere, is not even a blip on google trends and overall a leaderless bunch of not sure whos.
Who really cares about some trends? Looks like the purchase of the Jolla phone might depend on some stupid criteria.

mikecomputing 2013-10-06 00:50
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Originally Posted by zimon (Post 1378853)
TMO was right.
Nokia didnt listen.
The world lost.

Lumiaman was wrong also. MS never got it (WinCE v1 - v8) working like people wanted. WP and W8 suck.

The justice is done, if MS in couple of years dies away. Keep boycotting Microsoft, and tell others about it. Should be easier after the NSA leaks to get people to switch to OSS (Linux, Libreoffice, Ekiga, ...) from Microsoft (Windows, MS Office, Skype, ...)
ROTFL your so damn naive, Microsoft will not die. Most people will continue use Windows even if they only use it for simple task like web surfing. Also the fact that linux cannot replace windows cause there is no XYZ apps needed for xyz bussiness(photoshop, cad etc). And btw. most people does not care about NSA. They will forget it as soon as media finds something else talk about.

Also Microsoft will start massive patent troll for real 2014. And WP will grow in european and Asia simply because of massive marketing FUD and massive lobbying. This will also happen on the HW side. Microsoft will make sure they get the drivers first with help of money. Microsoft will also make sure too lock bootloaders on ARM and so on. Just wait and see :(

I would not mind if Jolla took more of the market than WP does in europe. But that will not happen simply because they dont have the money. Microsoft has.

tissot 2013-10-06 00:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1378875)
ROTFL your so damn naive, Microsoft will not die. The patent troll will begin for real 2014. And WP will grow in european and Asia simply because of massive marketing FUD and massive lobbying. This will also happen on the HW side. Microsoft will make sure they get the drivers first with help of money and lock bootloaders on ARM etc...

I would not mind if Jolla took more of the market than WP does in europe. But that will not happen simply because they dont have the money. Microsoft has.
Yeah Microsoft wont be going anywhere many, many years to come.

Just to give example, Microsoft has $68 billion net cash reserves outside US that it can't move back to US because of tax reasons. It has been looking some years now to put that money to use. Nokia buy is funded by that cash and it hardly even shows.

Let alone that they have had record profit year behind them.

gerbick 2013-10-06 02:43
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Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1378876)
Yeah Microsoft wont be going anywhere many, many years to come.

Just to give example, Microsoft has $68 billion net cash reserves outside US that it can't move back to US because of tax reasons. It has been looking some years now to put that money to use. Nokia buy is funded by that cash and it hardly even shows.
Wait... what? I know nothing of this. Any credible links?

Lumiaman 2013-10-06 04:33
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1378878)
Wait... what? I know nothing of this. Any credible links?
Check this out :

http://ycharts.com/companies/MSFT/cash_on_hand

tissot 2013-10-06 04:33
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1378878)
Wait... what? I know nothing of this. Any credible links?
http://qz.com/120616/microsoft-is-fu...om-the-taxman/

danramos 2013-10-06 05:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1378886)
Anybody surprised by this?

Lumiaman 2013-10-06 05:15
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No. They will buy their way to success.

tissot 2013-10-06 05:53
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1378888)
Anybody surprised by this?
By what exactly?
I remember reading about it last year. Investors were rightly so pushing MS to do something with that cash.


I don't believe the cash reserves were directly linked to Nokia buy. The pile has been being build for years for tax reasons.


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