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dirkvl

2014-02-14 14:53

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 48/100

Quote:

Originally Posted by Montgolf (Post 1412734)

I vote for Nylon!

Your vote will not be taken into consideration.

(because I've already decided to use nylon, duh!)

Rauha

2014-02-14 15:21

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

Appararently nylon ain't what it used to be.

http://www.1966mag.com/wp-content/up...2/09/Nylon.jpg

minimos

2014-02-14 17:38

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

The potential issue with nylon is that can be (or at least feel) more slippery than PLA, and that's something you don't want for the cover of an expensive phone.
But it needs to be tested: depending on the nylon type, extrusion process, and shape and texture of the TOH the results could be different.

solbrit

2014-02-17 14:30

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

Dirkvl, I take it the latest 3d printout is the one you mention here:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...8&postcount=13

Any photos coming our way...? :cool:

dirkvl

2014-02-17 14:36

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

Quote:

Originally Posted by solbrit (Post 1413119)

Dirkvl, I take it the latest 3d printout is the one you mention here:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...8&postcount=13

Any photos coming our way...? :cool:

i could, but they hardly differ from the parts in the video. also, they had an embarrassing mistake in them.

mscion

2014-02-17 16:31

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

This looks quite exciting! I expect to receive my Jolla phone around the end of March. I have not read through the entire thread but is there a final design picked? Also, will keyboard have Ctrl, tab and esc keys on it? Finally, any problem shipping to US?

dirkvl

2014-02-17 17:18

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1413129)

see my last video on vimeo/twitter/this thread for the final design. Shipping to anywhere! :)

dirkvl

2014-02-17 17:56

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

Look what I found!

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2rc0or6.jpg

Kabouik

2014-02-17 21:40

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

That's my money here!

dirkvl

2014-02-17 23:10

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1413173)

That's my money here!

Not just yours! ;)

Being put to good use though! Non-stop test prints from here!

http://oi57.tinypic.com/nywsg7.jpg

Daneel

2014-02-17 23:47

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

Awesome stuff

dirkvl

2014-02-18 12:48

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

Second print, ABS, no sticker -> hairspray (1layer)

http://oi57.tinypic.com/rmu4hf.jpg

Supporting structure in the middle will fail, did not stick okay, but I am interested in the rest of the structure, so I will see how it goes.

After this one the first print with PVA and if that succeeds than it is time for some nylon!

dirkvl

2014-02-18 13:40

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

Also, I will -very probably- start shipping in the first half of march, in order of pre-orders. Can't wait to get your hands on one? Visit the Jolla stand on MWC ;)

Ozymandias

2014-02-18 15:02

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

That fast? Awesome! How is the OS integration? Might have missed a few posts, wasn't really paying attention as long as the design was still not fixed. The keyboard will be usable without the vkb being onscreen, right? Just asking because I have no idea at all how Sailfish deals with an external KB.

NokiaFanatic

2014-02-18 15:39

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

Hey dirkvl - is there any chance we can see a quick video of input from the keyboard being registered on the device itself? Or are you not at that stage yet?

dirkvl

2014-02-18 15:57

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

okay, PVA and Nylon -which should be the best and final combo- is (fast-)printing right now! fingers crossed and update with pictures this evening!

Edit:
COME ON! PRINT FASTER!!
http://media.giphy.com/media/cIQkxw4G65TG/giphy.gif

dirkvl

2014-02-18 15:59

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

Quote:

Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1413231)

Hey dirkvl - is there any chance we can see a quick video of input from the keyboard being registered on the device itself? Or are you not at that stage yet?

friday i get all the pcb's, then you guys are the first to see a working keyboard!

Larswad

2014-02-18 16:17

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1413234)

thursday/friday i get all the pcb's, then you guys are the first to see a working keyboard!

My brain just tilted. It would be so cool if this thing spits out a nicely fitting QWERTOH and the electronics works.
I hope the build quality also is acceptable.
On the video it looked just fine.

dirkvl

2014-02-19 18:10

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

okay, time for some updates:

-printing with nylon s*cks
-printing with ABS s*cks
-printing with PLA is awesome!
-PLA parts feel very sturdy and nice surface quality
-printing one keyboard -two parts- takes 6 hours on my 3d printer
-PCB's are delivered friday, so friday/saturday new video and pics
-I am going to MWC!

HtheB

2014-02-19 22:12

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1413394)

okay, time for some updates:
-I am going to MWC!

HOW!?!??!? :eek::eek::eek::eek:

dirkvl

2014-02-20 08:10

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1413420)

HOW!?!??!? :eek::eek::eek::eek:

by plane ;)

dirkvl

2014-02-20 15:58

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

trial and error!

http://oi60.tinypic.com/qs8bkm.jpg

kimmoli

2014-02-20 21:33

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

First steps in capturing keyboard events;

Code:

2014-02-20 22:04:14 :: Key pressed: Right Shift

2014-02-20 22:06:37 :: Key pressed: Z <

2014-02-20 22:06:37 :: Key pressed: Z <

2014-02-20 22:06:37 :: Key pressed: Z <

2014-02-20 22:06:40 :: Key pressed: C _

2014-02-20 22:06:40 :: Key pressed: C _

2014-02-20 22:06:40 :: Key pressed: C _

2014-02-20 22:06:41 :: Key pressed: X >

2014-02-20 22:06:42 :: Key pressed: V -

2014-02-20 22:06:44 :: Key pressed: B +

2014-02-20 22:06:45 :: Key pressed: N

2014-02-20 22:06:46 :: Key pressed: M '

2014-02-20 22:06:48 :: Key pressed: . :

2014-02-20 22:06:49 :: Key pressed: , ;

2014-02-20 22:06:53 :: Key pressed: Left ALT

2014-02-20 22:07:40 :: Key pressed: Search

2014-02-20 22:07:40 :: Key pressed: Search

2014-02-20 22:07:42 :: Key pressed: @ ~

2014-02-20 22:07:43 :: Key pressed: Space1

2014-02-20 22:07:44 :: Key pressed: Space2

2014-02-20 22:07:46 :: Key pressed: Space3 Sym

2014-02-20 22:07:47 :: Key pressed: / ^

2014-02-20 22:07:48 :: Key pressed: ////

2014-02-20 22:07:52 :: Key pressed: Right Shift

2014-02-20 22:07:53 :: Key pressed: Right Shift

2014-02-20 22:07:55 :: Key pressed: Right ALT

2014-02-20 22:07:57 :: Key pressed: Down arrow

2014-02-20 22:08:06 :: Key pressed: A Fn-hold

2014-02-20 22:08:06 :: Key pressed: A Fn-hold

2014-02-20 22:08:08 :: Key pressed: S !

2014-02-20 22:08:09 :: Key pressed: F $

2014-02-20 22:08:10 :: Key pressed: D #

2014-02-20 22:08:11 :: Key pressed: G %

2014-02-20 22:08:12 :: Key pressed: H =

2014-02-20 22:08:14 :: Key pressed: K *

2014-02-20 22:08:15 :: Key pressed: J &

2014-02-20 22:08:15 :: Key pressed: J &

2014-02-20 22:08:16 :: Key pressed: L (

2014-02-20 22:08:17 :: Key pressed: ? )

2014-02-20 22:08:20 :: Key pressed: Return

2014-02-20 22:09:23 :: Key pressed: Q 1

2014-02-20 22:09:24 :: Key pressed: W 1

2014-02-20 22:09:24 :: Key pressed: W 1

2014-02-20 22:09:25 :: Key pressed: R 4

2014-02-20 22:09:25 :: Key pressed: R 4

2014-02-20 22:09:26 :: Key pressed: E 3

2014-02-20 22:09:28 :: Key pressed: T 5

2014-02-20 22:09:29 :: Key pressed: Y 6

2014-02-20 22:09:30 :: Key pressed: I 8

2014-02-20 22:09:31 :: Key pressed: U 7

2014-02-20 22:09:32 :: Key pressed: O 9

2014-02-20 22:09:33 :: Key pressed: O 9

2014-02-20 22:09:33 :: Key pressed: P 0

2014-02-20 22:09:33 :: Key pressed: P 0

2014-02-20 22:09:34 :: Key pressed: Up arrow

2014-02-20 22:09:35 :: Key pressed: Del

2014-02-20 22:09:36 :: Key pressed: Left Arrow

2014-02-20 22:10:20 :: Key pressed: OK

2014-02-20 22:10:22 :: Key pressed: Left Shift

2014-02-20 22:10:23 :: Key pressed: Right Arrow

xkkkx

2014-02-21 12:31

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 48/100

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1412702)

Also, but would you guys prefer the parts to be made out of Nylon 645 instead of PLA? They will be indestructible, you could dye them in every color and the surface quality is very nice.

I would like to have an indestructible QWERTYOH but if it doesn't print all right then I prefer PLA :D

dirkvl

2014-02-21 14:59

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

Are you guys ready for another video?

dirkvl

2014-02-21 15:03

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

https://vimeo.com/87274254

HtheB

2014-02-21 15:11

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1413673)

https://vimeo.com/87274254

So what do we see in this video?
I didn't get it

kimmoli

2014-02-21 15:25

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

I will make it little better. tonight.

dirkvl

2014-02-21 15:28

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1413675)

So what do we see in this video?
I didn't get it

-key recognition by phone
-the actual pcb's in action

dirkvl

2014-02-22 11:46

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 49/100

been wrestling a lot with my 3d printer. the support material -PVA- is a huge pain in the *ss to work with.

so, i have redesigned the bottom part to be made out of two parts. it seemed appropriate to tell you guys. if i would not have said, you would have probably never noticed ;)

edit: starting max quality print, no pva

dirkvl

2014-02-23 16:11

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100

debugging session with kimmo going on right now!

https://vimeo.com/87395565

Ozymandias

2014-02-23 16:21

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100

The flexing / bending of the kb is due to the kb OH not being finished yet?

And does the vkb have to be open in order to use the hwkb or is that just the testing thing?

dirkvl

2014-02-23 16:28

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100

good questions

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozymandias (Post 1413954)

The flexing / bending of the kb is due to the kb OH not being finished yet?

yes, this is a very very alpha test setup

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozymandias (Post 1413954)

And does the vkb have to be open in order to use the hwkb or is that just the testing thing?

copy paste:
yes, this is a very very alpha test setup

mikecomputing

2014-02-23 19:20

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100

I am really impressed what dirkvl has done so far. Keep going :)

I hope you get a chance show it for Jolla team at MWC whatever state it is it is.

But to make it clear for some people in this forum.

Ofcourse it is a testing/prototype, alpha. Thats what every person on this forum should realize. This is nothing anyone doing in some months. Especially not as hobbyproject with lack of money, tools etc.

No one can expect a home 3d printer can compare with industry.

Just give an example It costs atleast 10 000EUR for a manufacturing plastic mold and after that you had to pay per unit created. That means alot money.

So question is how much people are willing to pay at the end for dirkvl and other involved hard work.

Lets hope Jolla can help to.

dirkvl

2014-02-24 17:11

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100

This is gonna be a long night! Leaving for MWC tomorrow morning, printing final parts.

After MWC I will start uploading the parts list, 3D parts, assembly pics etc etc (since we are open source) to make way for future projects.

Wish me luck! :)

olympus

2014-02-24 17:25

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1414125)

Good luck! ;)

kimmoli

2014-02-25 17:00

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhVYOsnIMAAltjp.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhVEsQJCUAAkgDr.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhVFUFICIAAEQ9i.jpg:large

LouisDK

2014-02-25 20:21