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There is no remorse timer in this post
https://twitter.com/fk_lx/status/438...259584/photo/1

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100
 

Thanks for the post! I was just going to ask how come we did see videos from MWC about 'simple' OHs like Angry Birds and Makia but not even a pic from the hwkb project (which IMHO has much more awesomeness).

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100
 

Just read the Tweakers article.
Nice, Dirk :D

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100
 

Any chance of the finished product getting a keyboard of the button type used for the E72 / E6 etc? So smooth and tactile.

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100
 

How about "special letter" usage? Particulary Ä and Ö of Finnish

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100
 

Keyboard type is not changing anymore.
Special/missing keys will be in the minimal 1-row vkb.

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100
 

Alright, cool. I have a suggestion though. When longpressing key on physical kb, it would open up a (big profile) vkb with the variations of the letter.

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100
 

why not use the N950 style for the special keys?
on the N950, if you press and hold down the 'SYM' button, and press a button (like A) it will will show 'à', but if you keep holding down the SYM button, and keep pressing (not holding!) the 'a' button, it will show the following character in the following order: âæäáã

if you just press on SYM one time, it will bring up a vkb with special symbols like < and >

I'll make a video if you guys want to see what I mean

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100
 

I like it more than long presses. Long presses are very frustrating and make me anxious. They just stop the flow of your typing.

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100
 

So for ordering one just transfers the money plus shipping to the email-adress?

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100
 

I think i got it.
We will figure out something unlike, but of course your input for this valuable.

The solution which i was thinking

Press a, press SYM (or whatever it is) then select one of âæäáã from vkb and a is replaced with the one accent mark

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100
 

It would be convenient too indeed. However, I think the less the user has to touch the screen, the better tue ergonomics. With this method, each special character would require moving the thumb from keyboard to screen.

It would be nice if it could be combined with a way to cycle between special character shown in the popup vkb and select the one you want without moving your finger from the hwkb. In other words, pressing a then SYM would display âæäáã on screen, where you can tap to select if you're OK with tapping the screen, but â would be preselected, and hitting some key again (probably SYM) would select æ; and so on. When a character is selected in that popup, press any other key and it will be confirmed and show up in the text box at the same time that the other key. For instance, a, SYM, SYM, SYM, k and ! would result in äk!

One concern with your solution of hitting SYM after the letter though: how would you show all special characters on screen? With space then SYM? It would work.

Another way would be use SYM before the letter, and show all special characters (except accented letters, there are too many) whenever SYM is pressed, and then filter/show only the special characters (accents) corresponding to the first letter pressed after. One problem: to cycle special letters, you would have to move your thumb to SYM again which is awkward. Cycling with the same letter key again would create issues with a lot of words (I can elaborate if necessary).

Or if too difficult on the software side, then just hold SYM and hit a letter key to show corresponding special characters. Cycle by holding SYM and hitting the letter key several times. Show the full list of special characters (except accents) if SYM is hit then released without any combination with another key. This is my prefered solution, I think it's the most natural. [Edit] Well I realize it's exactly what has just been described for the N950. :) Could be combined with a vkb popup to tap on screen for those who prefer.

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100
 

I was thinking about an other method. What about long pressing a which shows you to possibilites (âæäáã) tapping a until the right one is selected and press SYM to confirm or whatever, or just press another letter to resume your texting and use that as a sort-of confirm.

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Apart from the fact that I really don't like long presses (I really think it breaks the flow of typing a text), I think it should be avoided on a hardware keyboard: what I expect from a hardware keyboard if I hold down a key (except a special key) is repetition of the corresponding character.

I just speak for myself though.

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100
 

okay, so you guys will have very probably seen the pics from mwc and the very rough finish on the keyboard. some updates:

-i ditched the file from the developer kit to a 3d file from kimmo, as his one fitter perfectly and my fit was terrible
-i redesigned the part attaching to the phone -again- to still be made out of two parts, but the split is now inside, so invisible once it is connected
-i have to scale by 0.75% on my 3d printer to get 1:1 results #trial+error

before
http://oi58.tinypic.com/24y3ew1.png
after
http://oi61.tinypic.com/2ajp8cg.jpg


more updates soon!

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To order should one write you an email first, or just transfer via paypal to your mail?

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 52/100
 

"Pre-order via email!"

bottom part that came out of the printer has passed my strict quality check.

doing some troubleshooting on base part (that clips to the phone) and starting test print in half an hour. parts currently fits perfectly, but the is an area that will probably come apart in the way it is currently designed.

if this also fits i will start mass-production

pictures are very important.
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2yv7yo3.jpg



oh, last question for you guys! what is a good and invisible glue for pla? i have used 'bison kit - universal' but that is a hassle to work with and is yellowy...
edit: found it! transparent hard plastic glue from bison! it sticks like crazy!

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#mass-production-mode

Now, while my printer is doing overtime, time to do some open-sourcing!
I will upload as much useful info in >>this<< folder, starting with the PCB files. These are the exact files I sent to the board-makers and this works, so do with it what you want!

The goal here of-course is for everyone to share their drawings, parts lists and whatever to one day create the mega-uber-otherhalf ;)

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 61/100
 

developer-edition on the mail tomorrow!

typed op qwerty-oh

edit: total thickness -with phone- is 15.5 mm
thickness breakdown: pcb + layer of material + hinge + material + pcb + material, each about 1mm

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PCB files are also available in my github repo.
also binary and necessary config files are there now.
instructions to folllow.
source files will be there when i manage to get rpm build automated...
it will then include all necessary configs.
(some .spec magic needed.)


https://github.com/kimmoli/tohkbd

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Stack 'm up!

http://oi60.tinypic.com/jqtdp2.jpg

Will first print 16 keyboards and assemble these in one go, these will go to the following people (last names removed for privacy reasons)

http://oi59.tinypic.com/25q81md.png

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 61/100
 

Hi!

Does this mean that we can config our own keyboard files?

Example with my Motorola Droid 4 i did put scandinavian alphabets (äöå) to some keys so that they where always only one click (not with sym etc.) away. And same time did put something other behind the sym-key that isn't so often used.

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 61/100
 

as stated many many many times before, there will very very very very probably be a very practical way to use öäï etc

the file excel file is just the way they are mapped to the micro-controller -but if you look at the pcb files you could have figured that out by yourself ofcourse ;)

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I will start working on this as soon as i get my fingers on the "developer edition", hopefully early next week. I have been kinda coding blindfolded until now.

And when the sources are published you can do what-ever keymapping you like - or there might be even possibility to make simple mapping configuration through text-file (and then someone can make UX to configure it)

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 61/100
 

Yes, I've understood this. It just seems that people have so different manners to use their buttons. So it's good if anyone can customize their keyboard as they want it.


But anyway, nice to see you assembling the final versions. Maybe I'll get mine soon too and then we can get a closer look to the code and keyboard layout.

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 65/100
 

Since I am -finally- happy with all the parts and have started production, the 3D parts are uploaded to the dropbox folder

I scaled these parts 0.75%, but that will be depending on the printer and material you use!

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 65/100
 

so production, much keyboard

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2us7guq.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/mtw83n.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/i5ahzk.jpg

for all that think this is a lot of work -> it is.

3 hours later:
http://oi59.tinypic.com/a3pixc.jpg
now touch up on all pcb's..

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 65/100
 

massive respect. <3

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

wow.. its beautiful :o

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

Just paid for mine. Thank you for all your work. Can't wait to receive this awesome other half.

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

Do you have 1 ready to show us the end product?
(The one on MWC wasn't the real end product right? correct me if I'm wrong)

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

that is a correct assumption and moar pics soon

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

Moar! 10char

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

uch, soldering on the first 16 is finally done.... lots of touch-ups, replacing chips, replacing voltage regulators... time for some assembling!

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

I also paid mine just a minute ago. It's amazing what you guys have accomplished so far, thanks.

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

first one is going on a journey! :D

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

:D:D:D:D:D Yay!

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

assembly HQ

http://oi60.tinypic.com/i6xdmw.jpg

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

Hey, what's with the 75? Wasn't the first batch meant to be 100? :)

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

yeah... already had a safety factor (ordered 110 of every part) but adjusted it to a more realistic value