Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

first 16 are going to the post office tomorrow morning! uploaded some pics from the construction etc to the dropbox folder

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

where are the final pictures?

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

ehhh... in the dropbox folder?!

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

There is no picture of a Jolla device snapped on the Qwerty-OH ??!!??

I wanted to see some pictures of the keyboard snapped on the Jolla from different angles

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

It should be more expensive. These aren't made in millions of units by exploited chinese teen girls, who give up their future and education for few pennies while working in a sweat shop.

It's just a dutch dude (and apparently some help from a finnish geek) bleeding his free time to get a 75 units of these done.

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

Most stupid question and comment so far...

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

If you really think that dirkvl's personal time and effort is worth nothing of your money, you can just grab the dropbox files that he kindly released and build the device yourself.
That should make you understand that *prototype* manufacturing is neither simple nor necessarily cheap.

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

Personally I think 100 euros is cheap price. I might pay it from a mass produced qwerty too. It just is such on add on that I haven't had with Jolla and dirkvl work was the final trigger that I even bought Jolla. Otherwise I could have been returned back to Desire Z.

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

eh ->

will upload the parts list also today! :) Edit: there are in the dropbox!

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

first 16 are on their way!

for these people:
please remember that this is not a polished product and can -and will- have imperfections! also, the software is not yet done and everything will be a bit hackish at first.

if there are any problems with them, please email me, then i can more easily help with fixing the problem then when we fill this whole thread with issues :)

also, the shipping was a little cheaper than anticipated. if you want the difference back, send me a message. otherwise it is converted to a crazy-otherhalf voucher for future projects!

also, i am exhausted. this whole keyboard making is a bit more work than anticipated. i am learning a lot though, so that is always good!

ow, last thing! a very few people -like 3 or so- have a very limited edition keypad! see if you can spot the difference!

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

Great, I'm looking forward to receiving it! Thanks a lot Dirkvl.


I totally get that the keyboard will be hacky, and I knew that from the beginning, but I don't really see the point in keeping discussions on how to improve it or fix bugs (or discuss features yet to implement) off the thread, in private (emails) discussions. We all know it will be buggy and that there is still a lot of work, but wouldn't it be better if we could all discuss the problems here rather than every one of us sending you the same emails for the same issues, instead of just coming here checking whether it was already discussed, investigated, acknowledged for future improvement, and perhaps even solved?


Honestly, I don't even know how you managed to push this project so far! Congratulations, you really made a great work (together with Kimmoli of course) and we're all grateful for that awesome work.


Like the first three people, or are they selected at random among the 16? :<

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

this is the preferred way for me. if there are issues that keep coming back i will post them here as a FAQ or whatever. i don't like this whole thread to be filled up with troubleshooting basic stuff.

random. maybe it won't even be noticed, just a very small detail that is different ;)

thanks! :D

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

Congratulations to your first shipped own product! *fireworks*

It's great to see, that you really did not stop somewhere in the middle of the development. And no I don't want the difference back, even if there is no following "crazy-otherhalf", but yes, showing us a crazy OTH later would be nice of course :D

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

Wow, that's really cool! I just can't wait for this thing to play with.
Anyway, thanks for bringing this project to successful end in such short time. You're the man!
And for that extra money, well, you've already deserved it.

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

If I wasnt broke I would donate to you even though I dont have a Jolla and may never get one (of the first ones, at least)

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

You can consider my extra shipping payment as extra motivation to continue doing great stuff like this!

The other issue, how to report errors, bugs and misfeatures along with comments, why not make a FAQ as a maemo.org wiki-page? That way, you get all questions collected in a simple uncluttered way (compared to TMO), and the community might even answer some of the questions for you! :-)

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

Hats off to you sir, job well done!

Re: [WIP] Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 67/75
 

(pre-)ordering is closed now! will probably take a while to make the next 60, after that i will count my remaining parts and see if i can make some more

also, put the address to my dropbox in my signature to make things easier. also put a 3d file of a generic otherhalf in there, that is a bit more printer-friendly than the file provided by jolla (made by kimmo for toholed and then made some changes)

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

> the software is not yet done

Is the plan to sit and wait till dirkvl finishes the sw too, or is there a more collaborative approach?

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

kimmo makes the software and i think he is very open for help :)

i have 0 skills in programming (wel not 0, but close)

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

Binary and current config files available here: https://github.com/kimmoli/tohkbd

This version is the one hacked for MWC, with little commandline-practice you will get it up and running (dirkvl did also so it is not so difficult :p ). I will release sourcecodes too when i get it cleaned up.

This registers to d-bus, needs root rights etc. nasty things but most of this will be removed.

When source released, fork fork fork

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

the place to be if you want to help!

https://github.com/kimmoli/tohkbd/issues

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

Source cleanup now completed, still hackish with verbose logging

Please feel free to fork and contribute:

https://github.com/kimmoli/tohkbd/tree/master/daemon

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

any keyboards arrived yet? :)

printing non-stop here, next batch will be 30 pieces. list with names later! :)

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

Hey, my qwerty toh arrived. Fits tightly on my Jolla, tighter than my other tohs. Thats probably good, since this is bulkier.

Jolla doesnt recognize it ( to be expected, I guess) since there is no sw. It just says something "this toh doesnt work".

It feels a bit edgy, I wonder if I could use sand paper to round the corners, finish the 3d-print?

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

oh good, it fits. my phone is a bit banged up from fitting 100 non-fitting parts.

next batch will be slightly larger (0.05%)

yes, the software is not at a point that we have a working application in the store, so the nfc is not yet linked.

that sounds like a good idea :)

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

My qwerty toh arrived today as well and was able to get it to work on my device using Kimmoli's driver (and also posted a pull request to map search key to ctrl.)

Unfortunately it looks like some of the keys on my keyboard don't work at all, my keyboard's T, P, X, C and down arrow keys don't seem to report anything at all to the driver, but I haven't verified whether this is a problem in the keyboard or in the driver. The driver also currently drops key presses if they occur too fast, I'll try to fix it this weekend unless someone else gets to it before me :)

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

Mine arrived today, too!

and found some "hidden" text :)


... at the weekend I will try to get it working.

Edit: too many big images, converted to links


http://www.imgbox.de/users/public/images/Pzroo5STJM.png


More detailed images:

http://www.imgbox.de/users/public/images/7BI9fx8Uli.JPG

http://www.imgbox.de/users/public/images/rY8kf1pEwg.JPG

http://www.imgbox.de/users/public/images/Iuc8rUCHmw.JPG

http://www.imgbox.de/users/public/images/8gA2vaWtpF.JPG


It is standing very stable in this position:

http://www.imgbox.de/users/public/images/ZHaE9mNMZ5.JPG

http://www.imgbox.de/users/public/images/Zp3NV8kJhl.JPG



Comparison of size of white OTH:

http://www.imgbox.de/users/public/images/5i9E3PQlEC.png

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

okay, we will see how it goes. could be some glue between the pcb and dome-sheet, or it is not properly aligned. or it works after pushing it 1000 times ;)

let me know and otherwise i will make you a replacement pcb, if you have a utility knife you will probably be able to replace it yourself

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

Will you be taking preorders again by any chance, or is it definitely over?

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

to quote myself ->

don't hold your breath over it! or make your own :)

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

Had some spare minutes and got the software working and have a white led blinking :)

Note: a short "howto" in one document where the files have to be placed + that you have to edit the service-file would be good, but of course later when there will be a package it will be no problem.


I have the same problem, that not all keys are working and some only behave a bit strange, but the latter should be software I think.


Not working (only short test with normal keys), seem to be only keys in the middle (like a cross): t-fgh-v


http://www.imgbox.de/users/public/images/OQoObb6p21.png




The "?"-Key for example does nothing if you press it (while typing sms) but if holding alt + ? it does somthing, it prints both at the same time: ?)

Alt + d prints: ?#


Keyboad not working for unlocking the phone.

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

I will add one. - what you needed to edit on service file?

Known issues, but should be fixed in latest binary available in github


Known issue.

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

Pull-request merged, tnx. Also binary updated in repo.

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To see the keyboard log (for example to test if the keys are working) you can now see the output in systemd journal.

journalctl _SYSTEMD_UNIT=tohkbd.service -f

Note that all key presses are logged so take that into account when entering passwords, etc if you also plan to post your device's logfiles to the internet.

my keyboard's P and down-arrow keys started working yesterday evening, but they require quite a bit stronger presses than other keys. T, X and C still report nothing.

My next update to the driver will be (conditionally?) disabling the blinking led, it's just too bright :)

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

Logfiles with passwords are uploaded to NSA server by default

domesheet and assembly issue... may start working after 1000 presses -bit of glue in between- if not let me know!!

blinking led was for construction and testing purposes :)

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

I had to add that my "f"-key isn't working, too.
So now it looks like a "cross" of key in the middle that are not working.

I will try to watch the log mentioned by oskari (thanks!) when I have time.


In the servicefile I modified the path to the binary, as I placed it to

/usr/sbin/tohkbd

So I changed this line:
and started with:

I downloaded master-branch today and used that one, but I will keep an eye on commits the next days / weeks of course.



It's nice to have some feedback, so there are I think many times when a feedback would be nice to have, like light up (one time or short squence) when keyboard gets active and is ready to get input, or when keyboard closed blink again to show that maybe dameon sent to sleep ... only thinking.

Right now it still is blinking when closed.

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

led is bright :cool: (i agree) but it is blinking just for debug reasons...

Ah "?" is not yet fixed (it was 9 and 0)

Updated readme a bit: https://github.com/kimmoli/tohkbd/blob/master/README.md

The most annoying thing is this issue with shift and other combinations. Noticed it also appears when you hit the "edge" with arrow-keys.

It waits update from Jolla or Qt or somewhere (same happens within emulator afaik)

If you see a SW BUG, or VERY GOOD SW improvement, file it directly to my github --> Create new issue

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

Yes, that looks great, every info on the page.


update regarding my keypresses:
f + h are working sometime and only with much pressure, but I still was never able to get a:

"t" or "g" or "v",

pressed it many times, with much pressure, but no keypress is recognized.

Was watching with

Re: Producing Qwerty OtherHalf --order counter: 75/75 --ordering closed
 

Almost had a heart attack, msg from mom: package arrived today, in damaged state. (follow up: stamp says so, hoping the envelope is torn or something, they don't test OHs in the PO I hope for workability, or maybe they forgot the drivers from kimmo, or was this special version with a spliff???) will know more in an hour or so... oO

edit: envelope was torn, they put a sticky on it with the stamp, fits nicely so should be fine, pheeeew, will check the keys once I get back home and get the sw running

Works!!! No problems with any of the keys afaict so far. W00000000000000000000t!!!!!!!!

/typed on my absolutely fabulous HWKB OH, Dirk/Kimmo you guys are awesome, I hope Jolla comes up with an interesting offer to you so you can keep on rocking, THANK YOU