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-   -   Jolla User Experience Thread (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91875)

atlochowski 2015-01-22 11:01
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
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Originally Posted by atlochowski (Post 1456816)
This is experience of Jolla user who published his opinion on Jolla's fb profile:


I think It's a good point of view.
again quote from fb

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Yes, but its no solving at all. Its still 267,- Euro. Yes you have half the price, but at the same time you write: "At the moment unfortunately we ran out of spare displays, but if you wish to send in your phone in the future for display replacement, please let us know and we will send you a message once the spare part is available." How can you do a good customer service, when you dont have parts ready? You have to solve this and not make me suffer. You should send me a new phone if you cannot repair becasue of missing spare displays?

Yminus 2015-01-22 11:19
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Originally Posted by nthn (Post 1457569)
@Yminus: "Things may change." Of course. That doesn't mean they will. Maybe tomorrow Microsoft will buy Jolla. Maybe Apple will. Maybe even Google. This is nothing more than speculation, without any good reasons, even.
Fact is that Jolla Ltd. does not guarantee that they won't sell private data - they can't guarantee it. If Jolla Ltd. is bought by another company than this data won't be deleted but sold together with all other assets. And that a prospering small company is bought by a big one is nothing uncommon. Nobody could ever have imagined that Notch would sell Mojang to- or that Nokia would be bought by MS. So this is not "nothing more than speculation, without any good reasons, even."

JulmaHerra 2015-01-22 11:55
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Originally Posted by Yminus (Post 1457575)
Fact is that Jolla Ltd. does not guarantee that they won't sell private data - they can't guarantee it. If Jolla Ltd. is bought by another company than this data won't be deleted but sold together with all other assets.
If Jolla Ltd. is bought by another company, they are still bound by restrictions mentioned in privacy policy. New owner can change the privacy policy for service(s), but they are required by law to announce the change beforehand and give users the right to either accept it or refuse it and get their data removed from systems.

rcolistete 2015-01-22 15:52
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Originally Posted by Yminus (Post 1457575)
Fact is that Jolla Ltd. does not guarantee that they won't sell private data - they can't guarantee it.
Jolla has said many times that it doesn't give the account data to anybody (NSA, other companies, etc).

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Originally Posted by Yminus (Post 1457575)
If Jolla Ltd. is bought by another company than this data won't be deleted but sold together with all other assets. And that a prospering small company is bought by a big one is nothing uncommon.
A login name, a password and a email ? Which all can be made arbitrary, i.e., fake ? With them, a list of installed softwares ? Wow, what a lot of data...:p

It is nonsense to compare user data collected by Jolla with data collected by Google and Apple : contacts, emails, localization (GPS and WiFi hotspots) and many other files and data.

This is the tatics : 1% = 99%. Nonsense.

nthn 2015-01-22 16:58
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Originally Posted by Yminus (Post 1457575)
Fact is that Jolla Ltd. does not guarantee that they won't sell private data - they can't guarantee it. If Jolla Ltd. is bought by another company than this data won't be deleted but sold together with all other assets. And that a prospering small company is bought by a big one is nothing uncommon. Nobody could ever have imagined that Notch would sell Mojang to- or that Nokia would be bought by MS. So this is not "nothing more than speculation, without any good reasons, even."
Do you have even the slightest clue how laws work?

nthn 2015-01-22 17:00
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You are making a lot of fuss about privacy this and privacy that, but again: you're using a mobile phone, tracking device #1. All your complaints are invalid.

mrsellout 2015-01-22 17:17
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This is just speculation, but could the requirement of an account for access to their repositories and updates be related to the presence of third party binaries?

maemo.org still doesn't distribute flashable images because permission hasn't been given, and in the olden days when Nokia was Nokia, you had to input your IMEI to download one. OTA updates were different, but how much of those updates included code from 3rd parties? Jolla's updates include the Alien Dalvik stuff.

pichlo 2015-01-22 17:41
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
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Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1457591)
This is the tatics : 1% = 99%. Nonsense.
(Assuming a typo in tactics...)

There is a bigger difference between 0% and 1% than between 1% and 99%.

Yminus is right: Apple and Google have trained the masses well. Now everyone is expecting every company to harvest your data and no one even bats an eye. Yes, Jolla may be asking less than the other guys do but that is still an infity times more than what they need to ask! We should not be grateful to them that they do not ask 99%. We should question why they ask even the 1%.

In fact, I just have :)

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Originally Posted by nthn (Post 1457599)
You are making a lot of fuss about privacy this and privacy that, but again: you're using a mobile phone, tracking device #1. All your complaints are invalid.
If anything, the above argument is invalid. Yes, my phone is being tracked by default. By my provider, by my ISP, by various law enforcement agencies... Does that mean that I should be happy with Yet Another Company added to the list?

Besides, if Jolla really wants to track me so much, why do they need my account? They already have my IMEI.

Copernicus 2015-01-22 18:56
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Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1457605)
Besides, if Jolla really wants to track me so much, why do they need my account? They already have my IMEI.
Newbie question here: do tablets have an IMEI? (That is, tablets that don't include cellular hardware...) I'm personally planning on separating my computing hardware from my cellular hardware in the future (i.e., sticking to dumb-phones from now on), so I'm kinda hoping that cellular-style IDs won't be making their way into non-cellular mobile hardware. :)

pichlo 2015-01-22 19:09
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Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1457609)
Newbie question here: do tablets have an IMEI?
No.

You know, I was considering the same idea today. After many years with a Palm OS phone that no "smart" device I have tried ever since could as much as shine a candle to in regards to usability and the phone functionality, I am seriously considering a cheap "dumb" phone for, well, making calls and new "smart" devices purely for browsing the web and reading emails.


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