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Right, OK. The wording confused me a bit, that does indeed help. I mentioned it to our alarms guy back when you came up with it initially, so hopefully it will be sorted out soon if it isn't already.

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Thanks, key point is it does set the alarm when you ask it to - it just says it has it set an hour later. If I were changing time zones one day I reckon it would completely fool me:-)

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But what is strange is that I have used it as an alarm clock for a week now, with no problems whatsoever.

The only hitch in setting alarms is that you'd need to be careful not to move the "clock hands" when you swipe to right to activate the new alarm...

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Sweet, copied files from N9 and it worked right away!

Now, anybody knows a way to add more calendars to calendar application?

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yes other people have said that. However I have been very careful and have probably set the alarm 10 or 15 times now - it happens every time, I'm not mistaken

One point which does occur to me is that the morning after I got the phone in Finland it worked fine, thinking about it, this has only happened since I got back to the Uk when I reset the phone and the time zone - woot does that help?

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Can the apps browse using just files and folders? I hate not to be able to do that in my N900 with the multimedia player. I have my music perfectly organised in folders and correctly named and numbered files... The tags are good, but I don't like them as the unique way.

So in my N900 I use "necrolongplayer" for music. It's lightweight and let me browse folders and add complete folders (recursively) to the playlist with files ordered by folder and then name and not title tag without even considering folders as in media player.

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Another UK owner with teh same issue. I have reported it to Jolla Care

Here arethe screen shots

Set alarm
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ps1a313e64.png

Confirm Setting

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16...psc6d56456.png

Alarm goes off

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ps7bb279df.png


Odd

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Apps that come with Jolla or official apps in Jolla Store don't allow you to browse files and folders. They use only the tracker data.

You can install Files app from command line: "pkcon install jolla-fileman" but there are problems related opening files. Only file types that seem to open from Files app are pictures. For all other file types that I have tested Open doesn't do anything.

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Your father probably yes.

On the other hand: my son was two years and a couple of months old when he got hands on my N9 for the first time. The phone was lying in a couch, screen locked. It took about one minute to get past the LPM screen (after all, there is just one button that makes something when the N9 is locked). In less than two minutes he got past the lock screen. First time swiping it away accidentally, next time he already swiped it away on purpose.

I did not guide him in any way, just looked that he didn't start to throw the phone around or remove any programs. And it took less than 10 minutes for him to learn the basics of the Harmattan Swipe interphase: opening programs and moving between them.

Don't know if Sailfish would be more confusing to use. I probably have to test it with my son when I finally get one.

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Jolla store doesn't seem to be working atm, tried to download few apps and they all fail. Other than that first few hours the phone has been working very smoothly.

Few things im missing the most right now

The events feed. Facebook doesn't seem to be integrated as clicking on facebook icon opens the browser facebook. The N9 style that integrates twitter&facebook was the best, hoping for something similar in future updates.

Facebook chat. I use this a lot and it would be nice to see people who are online, and to be reachable via chat. I somehow remembered this was already supported but no messages came through to me.

Landscape. I like to browse a lot in landscape and would would like to use that way, androids dolphin browser supports this but when watching youtube videos the voice was out of sync. Plus I'd prefer using as much native apps as possible.

I know it's beta but those are on my priority list atm. Otherwise really solid build phone looks and feels good on hand and performs superb.

Now I need some sleep after night shift, maybe some of those features can be found with fresher eyes.

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What the hell did I just watch? I mean, seriously, this person kept doing the same thing over and over.

If that's a representation of who has this device right now, I'm actually saddened a bit. If anything, the need for a video, in whatever native language is needed that describes what gestures do what, it needs to be made now; post haste.

Wow.

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Well, as I listened to his muttering (in finnish) among the swearwords I heard bits like "where's the f*****g back button", "what the b****y did it do now", "huh!", "what!", "How the h**l did I get here again" and so on...

I gathered he had used iOS & Android devices before and did not quite get the logic of the device. Also he had not gone through the tutorial that starts when you first boot up the device.

It seems that he did not understand the nature of the swipes at all, not that there are 2 types of swipes, one from edge and one inside the viewport. And he got nervous and swiped too quickly to understand what he was doing :(

If he'd ever used N9 before I guess he would have known a bit about the logic... Fortunately the tutorial is very good at explaining the basics and you cannot get to the device before you have completed it :D

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just document your observations well might be useful on the day that starts peacefully only to end with Sailfish being attacked by overseas patent watchdogs for using their swipe.

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Are you sure that UTC is really your timezone? AFAIK the UK uses Western European Time, but not UTC. UTC has no DST and this may explain why alarms go off an hour too early. It works fine for me in CET.

Are there any countries that actually have UTC timezone? AFAIK it's an artificial DST-less timezone to coordinate times worldwide. It just happens to match British time half of the year.

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Wait... what? Of course no country is in UTC or GMT or any timezone for that matter... isn't date/time managed in /usr/share/zoneinfo, and you set the country/city in /etc/timezone? So, each country has their own rules as to when to switch to daylight saving, or not switch at all? This changes almost every year (I can see the timezone updates coming through my Linux distro...). I'm not sure how it is with CET In particular (does the EU agree on this for _all_ their countries?)

Am I missing something? Date/Time should be set per country/city rather than timezone, unless you want to change the timezone every time daylight saving changes, which is what I do in my old DSLR, or my PS3 ;-)

EDIT: Just checked my N9... it looks like /etc/timezone doesn't exist, but the same principle applies... time/date set by country/city, please somebody correct me if I'm completely wrong here.

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Tutorial is pretty good.

As someone who skipped N9, I had similar problems than that guy for about first 30 mins. Especially, I kept accidentally doing swipe from below the screen when scrolling vertically, so the notification screen became very familiar sight! Hard to get it into 'muscle memory', even when I knew that I shouldnt do it. Now I'm used to it though. :rolleyes:

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It should be GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) and BST (British Summer Time) (GMT+1) in the summer however GMT and UTC are the same time since we in the UK got to set where the meridian was and UTC picked up the same meridian.

That doesn't explain the hour difference in the alarm UI though. Maybe it is working in CET whereas the back end is UTC.

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This should already work. If you open the notifications & events view (swipe from the bottom of your phone), open "Show presence details" from the pulley menu. You should have a facebook account listed there. Once it's online, it should start to work, hopefully!

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Indeed and in teh people app once you are online you can tap on the little globe icon and see all the contacts who are also online and available.

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A question about the browser:

With such a beautiful multitasking interface seems only natural that we can make advantage of the swipe multitasking interface to efficiently switch between web pages. (like on the N900)

Does the built in browser allow "open in new window" instead new tab?

That is necessary because on a wel designed touch interface the multitasking interface IS the tab system.

I need multiple pages of daily bookmarks loading in the background (we have 1GB or ram and a dual core)

Of course the option to open tabs may still co-exist.

Thanks and sorry if this is a double posted question.

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Right, 2 more low priority questions, if anybody really can be bothered and knows how to confirm them:
1. Can the Jolla send SMS's even if there is no cellular network? And what I mean exactly is: will it put it in a queue and send it at the first opportunity when there is cellular network, like pretty much every single Nokia does and pretty much every other device does not, except perhaps blackberry or newer devices I don't know?
2. This is a trickier one: can the browser open pages over SSL with ident authentication? (N9 couldn't in its first version, and could in its second; iOS/Android failed miserably when I last tested).

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On Harmattan, yes. On Sailfish, no. As you can see on SailfishOS only 9 open apps at once.

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Will apps be closed automatically if you open more than 9?

As long as the browser has tabs I don't mind having an open app limit btw.

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According to the guide, no. They'll remain open, you just won't see them. You'll have to go to the launcher or launch them from some event to bring them back.

WRT the browser, I'd like to see a mixed approach - ability to create multiple browsers in the multitasking view or at least ability to enter the browser application and see multitasking tabs. Multitasking page load is essential as well, which doesn't happen at the moment. That's my opinion, anyway.

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I have to point this out... there are a few "sample" videos taken with the Jolla (and other devices) uploaded to youtube... take this into consideration when watching.
I'm not sure why people don't upload videos to sites with better quality (e.g., vimeo) or just leave them in a server somewhere so that you can download what was actually recorded.

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Browser is quite horrible in its current state. Installing Firefox or random Android browser is one the first things I would recommend to a new user.

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The concept of only 9 visible applications and no multitasking browser page load is not what I have dreamt of when investing in Jolla.
It resembles a nightmare reality that is called Android.

Please if anybody from Jolla is reading: forget party mode, I need an out of the box power user mode that allows assigning Jolla's resources using a human brain.

Where else did you design that beautiful interface for?

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So I thought it should be. Although I did set up the account for facebook right away it did not show up there. I had to separately log in and boot up the phone to get that option to show. Now it works like a charm. Though still couldn't see anywhere a list of people who are online.

I also set some ambiances for myself, but now they have all disappeared :(

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It's funny to remember that in the N9 days people were asking for tabs in the browser instead of managing through multitasking home screen. Now it's like that, and some other people is asking to go back to the N9 behaviour. :D

The option to have both would be ideal, probably.

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I wasn't one of them. But I can understand. Both is best :-) N9's browser multitasking kicks a**e

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IIRC i have seen on a video that when you long press on multitasking view and you go to the mode where you can close the apps, there you see all open apps.

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See my separate thread, it describes how to get them back without doing a reset.

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That's what i thought but the latest bug fixes have improved the browser, especially selecting links from a page. I miss landscape still but find myself using the stock browser over Firefox now.

Once landscape mode arrives I may get rid of Firefox, or keep it for the private browsing mode ;)

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Me neither. I'm yet to try the sailfish approach, but I think I'm fine with both solutions, each one has its pros and cons. Just a matter of taste probably.

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Guess I oversimplified and made matters worse. Right now the UK is at UTC and phone is set to UK, London. The pictures posted earlier by Bockersjv are exactly what I experience

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Is there no workaround/modification to get around Jolla's 9 open app limit? it seems a limitation caused by the UI more than anything.

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Once again: the applications remain open, they just don't appear on that screen. There is no workaround that I know of, but then again you don't want to be scrolling down forever, right?

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From another thread, and this thread was suggested by jalyst :)

-------------------------SNIP-----------------------------
Is there a possibility to create forlders for downloaded apps? Meaning like create folder "Games" and move all the games to the folder.

EDIT1: and is there a way to turn off the notification light on the front of the phone. The one that changes color, blinks, or stays on with certain events.

EDIT2: Is there a possibility to change the background image after an ambience is created? Or customise the colors? I get a sucky brown/orange theme when I use my dark and gloomy background to create ambience. It is not supposed to be cheery and poppy, but rather mellow and plain and dark. ARGH!

Tried to search the manual and web, but nothing on this.

-------------------------SNAP-----------------------------

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Also if youi long press on the screen so you can close selected apps you get a chance to view more than 9 (not sure what the limit is though). Also bear in mind that if you open one of the minimised apps and Jolla puts it to the top of the multitasks screen. So the ones that have slipped out of view are those you have probably not been using.

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No not at present

Turn the phone over? The light shows different colours for different events and is something th N9 was missing.

Chose a bright picture and make an ambience from it, or make your own single bright colour jpg and use that. :D

I love the stock grassroots colours.