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My thoughts exactly... To get 3G connection via USB tethering in N9 requires that you load up the iptables modules and set up a few rules for forwarding. (I am not actually sure you can do it at all without the plus kernel...)

Maybe @shanttu has installled some tweak to enable it and forgotten about it later... :D

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Given the complaints that swipe-to-close on any Android app kills every Android app running, I'd guess that they all run in the same sandbox - that is, the environment simulates a standalone Android device and runs all the running applications in it the same way it would run in a real Dalvik VM not as separate instances...

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Can Jolla set write command of the card on hold, when you remove the 2nd half?

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Yes, I also think my problems relate to this.

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Off topic/ Even if I lurk here daily it's impossible to find that information on this thread even using search function. I'm glad that I haven't had to use wifi hotspot. It drains battery fast. I hope Jolla will implement sharing network as well as N9. /off topic

Jolla uses battery way too much to use it as a daily device. I hope battery usage and Google-calendar sync are high on Jolla's priority list.

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I just dial a PPP connection and off I go... I think even the default gw gets set up automatically, using Linux Gentoo, so it isn't like I have any daemon doing anything strange for me.

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I thought so too, but to make sure I'd install a couple of harmless Android applications alongside an Android task manager if such a thing exists. Wait for me a couple of days, I 'll get to the bottom of this even as a user.

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Ok so I downloaded some android file manager and got one of the OOB pics and I was kinda surprised, height is actually 1600 pixels :p


So if anyone wants to show full picture when making an ambiance, size is 1600x540 :)

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Not true. I just dial *99# using network manager on Mint and it connects... On Windows I remember the Nokia Suite allowed the same thing too...

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That might be the reason, it acts like some modem emulation thingy :D

What I use is "raw 3g access", just throw up nat&forwarding on the device and use it like it was a nexthop router.

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Try that N9 battery cal method :) i think it working on sailfish too.

So, use your battery to empty, connet it to charger and do not power on! when it reach 100% power it up (do not remove the charger), when it's booted to the OS remove charger. I think it last much longer now!

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What I have found out is that battery consumption (with my usage pattern) is pretty much what I get with my N9; when I hook it up to the charger when I go to sleep there's something like 20%..30% juice left on the device.

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You and I have talked about things like this in other project conversations (yes, I'm not keeping up with this thread, its too long and has too many branches - there needs to be a more spatially designed UI for topics like this, not linear)

That said, if you can get to the rest of the device w/o completing the direct input aspects of the tutorial, then that's a problem. Its a big one actually.

Those of you accounting for having used (in part or still) the N9 are wrong in your perceptions. The simplicity of the muscle memory gestures of the N9 was (in psychologiclal development terms) a few years beyond the 6mo-2yr old gestures espoused by Android and iOS. There's a reason why those platforms didn't push so hard, they took a mental model from that far back and are slowly moving forward. WebOS expected folks - adults - to be more developed in visual muscle memory - approx 4yrs old. And MeeGo/N9 comes in at about 4 or 5yrs old. Of course, I'm speaking of these numbers from my *very small research* of USAmerican mental development.

*what, you don't study that stuff in your spare time too?*

That said, the 2-layered approach of SailfishOS's gestures, edge and mid-screen, requires a different spatial context. One that doesn't develop in some people at all, and in others not until they figure out fractions. It *is* harder to use SailfishOS not just because its unfamiliar, but because its asking your mind to process just a bit more. Its not a platform for beginners in mobile if you will... and that's ok. It just hasn't been given that kind of presentation in tech media, because most folks in tech media don't even know they've been doing mobile like a child since 2007 and loving it.

I've got more to unpack in that video and a few reviews that have been linked, but I'll say this much.. Jolla is like Google when Android came along. Excellent engineers, but there's no Martin Duarte/Christian Lindholm/Jonny Ive kind of characteristic - that sense of teaching you to think/act deeper while making it feel like that's how it should have always been done.

I'm available

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@juiceme
But Jolla has 30% bigger battery and should have (better)newer optimized OS, so we must expect/demand better power consumption and so longer operational times.
At least we must hope for such from the sailors :D

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Probably not, but there's an elegant solution that hasn't been implemented. Layers.

How that would work:
- open your browser, use whatever function to open a new page, navigate to the running apps view, only see two windows because that's all that running
- open your browser, use whatever function to open a new page, navigate to the running apps view, see 9 windows, but on the one winder where there's a tab, there's a '+" overlay, indicating that there are other windows (bonus points for it being +2 or whatever number of browser windows open). Use SailfishOS gesture on the app-tab to slide throw your browser screens - now you have in the multi-apps view an ability to see multiple open browser windows

not done

- in the browser, pull from left-middle of screen to the bottom drags browser chrome down and you are given a "+ new window" to open a new winder; to navigate between browser windows in the app, use an edge gesture (only the left-middle to bottom - or switch to right side language orientation depending) which allows for navigation between multiple pages/tabs in that same app.

Its not all that complicated if you ask me. It just asks for folks to use the device in the same ways its marketed in order to see things like this.

*back to reading the rest of this thread - long way to go

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i meant a jolla :P

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You might not agree, but no, you don't need them. Its a sign of no confidence in the quality of the hardware you've chosen that you implement a feature - and make it normal - like a battery status indicator.

The mobile OS should be intelligent enough to (a) let you know when its at a point where the battery technology its using needs to be topped off; (b) stop running tasks at low usage times of the day, or learn when you aren't using your device (like when you are sleep and going into an extreme power saving mode); and (c) to let you know in daily, weekly, or monthly summaries in your notification panels that your methods/behaviors of use summaries and recommendations to improve device/service performance.

I've written twice before on antiquated features in modern mobiles (here and here); the crutch that folks have for those features hold back what we can be doing better. If your mobile was so smart, why are you spending so much time learning it... shouldn't it be learning and adapting to you?

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@ Jolla!

Browser upgrades:
2 finger swipe, usage:

2 finger swipe up -> add tab
2 finger swipe left/right -> previous/next tab
2finger swipe down -> "kill" current page

that would be nice ;)

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Nice idea !!

another idea: put a password security in an app. Open Galarie/Video or other, pulldown menu => Set Password.

and please put a call record in the call app.

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While a nice idea... it breaks the UI paradigm. The device is supposed to be fully usable w/one hand. This usually means 1 finger (since it takes 3 and thumb to support it in hand).

2 finger swipes make more sense not in conventional usage, but for extended usage in specific contexts.

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Now you can say "I am the First One" :p;)

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Just want to share this if anyone want to kick of some Qt to improve user experience.

http://www.thelins.se/johan/blog/201...s-is-released/

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I have to disagree on this one. At least the way I use my phone, the old messages/calls (+favorites) give accees to just the right people: the ones I interact with the most. I have so many friends online at any given time that most of them are not the ones I (want to) interact the most with -> I like that that they are hidden under the globe button.

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I see the logic but kindly let me custom configure the whole swipe interface for a selectable one hand profile and a 2 hand profile.

Same with the layers and possibility to open a full browser window in multitask OR tabs OR layers

Why are those devices all trying so hard to control our behavior instead of offering freedom? (I mean out of the box convenience, not only freedom to hack)

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If you haven't already, please make sure you are using update1. Things should be better there. More work will come, of course.

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Thanks ste-phan bring my original thoughts to the point, I failed in wording :)

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I didn't mean that you HAVE TO use 2 finger swipe.. but it would be nice addition and when i am use browser.. i do not use only one hand.

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Obvious as you say, but nice to hear nevertheless. Battery life is often overlooked nowadays, I'd like to have a smartphone that doesn't force me to charge it every day (2 days at most if I go easy on it).

EDIT: I'm talking in general, I'm still waiting for my Jolla to get to "In picking" status so no first hand experience on its actual battery life :p

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Jolla SDK is worst experience ever! Put some focus on it please...

Edit: and fix it!

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Emphatically yes to all of this.

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What about a delayed swipe? Keeping you finger on the screen for aprox 1 sec. and then swipe. We could increase the number of available swipes.

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The reason why you aren't given an infinite, or multiple, points of creating your own UX entry points is because that means the entire platform has to be built using all of those points - most of which cannot be analyzed, tested, nor skillfully given to developers in UX docs so that they make apps which conform to whatever *you* design for them.

Its not impossible, just unrealistic to have a stable platform with a tightly constrained physical environment on even more tightly constrained resources to do that. For laptop/desktop paradigm, sure. Not for mobile(-first) devices.

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Not so sure. What we have is a button-less interface.

Then we create buttons with swipe , swirl, double finger swipe, single and double tap, double finger tap, etc...
Devided in clockwise , counter clockwise, up and down, left right.

All I want is to assign these "buttons" per program or interface level to actions like I would do in a flight / fps / tank combo sim or any program that allows deep customization.

Then save as a profile. Wife, toddler, left hand single hand , double hand. :confused:

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ste-phan, there's an application for the N9 (My Moves) that gives you a dozen or so additional gestures and lets you define actions for those. In principle the programm is designed so that one gesture starts another application (boooring), but with dbus and shell scripting I was able to define a gesture that calls a certain number instead of just launching the telephone application.

Now in principle, if (and only if) an application like the browser exposes certain features to be controlled via scripting from the outside world, all it would take is "My Moves" to be ported to sailfish and you'd have your very personal additional gestures.

(I know there's two big ifs there... but it's better to approach it from this side, I think, than to break the whole UI concept.)

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When discussing additional swipes/gestures - I really miss swirl to zoom that was present in N900 browser. It was nice option for one handed use. I still can not pinch zoom with one hand when walking :)

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Oh well, I'm on the same boat...err...jolla with non-working SMTP connection.

Pretty annoying and I refuse to use google as work-around. :eek:

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And Bluetooth is too slow for large transfers, and SFTP doesn't win speed races too.

I'd really like to see USB mass storage support too. Currently I sync my music using Unison between my N9 and office machine. Granted, with a bit of hacking, you might be able to use Unison and SSH to connect over USB/RNDIS to the device, but simply hooking up by mass storage is faster and easier.

It surprised me Jolla left USB mass storage out. I really hope they will reconsider.

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I miss that too... In fact, I still use it every single day on the N900. But I miss it on new hardware.

1 step forward 2 steps back is the common denominator in the mobile phone industry.

Also missed are MicroB 's marvelous history browser and to some extend cookie control (demanded or 3rd party, reject, accept for this site), adblock plugin, click to run flash plugin, javascript control (which should have been a front page button on/off button), tab-less operation (open in new window).

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I wont be checking all pages from this topic so I don't know if this has been said or not but the official youtube app from google play works pretty good, only problem I have noticed is that you can't log in, probably because lacking google services?

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It may stay silent a little while longer about program access control center on both Sailfish level and Alien Dalvik level.

Maybe the guys that have gotten to work Play store may have better insight already.

On Jollatides there are a few more concerned people but mostly the new toy feeling will prevail.

An AACC Aplication Access Control Centre is what I need to sleep tight.

Be careful guys not to infect your Jolla by Android.