Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

There's the led indicator you can check immediately if there are new notifications :)
As per SMS vs Email, for me the importance is not the same in the first place, since I don't receive SMSs from random people or a guy called BugZilla :), It's very annoyed to get beeps every minute, very distracting, but I'm talking here about my personal view on the issue, please note I'm not a UX person so I don't decide in such behaviors anyway, but thanks for the feedback.

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

OK, so it's in a bag then, or a jacket pocket. :)

I don't distinguish between the two, I really don't. I've got a new communication (SMS, email, IM, phone call, whatever) and I need to know it's arrived, yet email is the only one that alerts once and then never again until you read the new emails. If some people find email alerts intrusive (but only email alerts, and not IM, SMS etc.? That I find a tad bizarre) then Include the option to alert only once (Android email may offer this option, actually) or alert always. It shouldn't be hard.

Clearly this is a very personal opinion, but it really does boggle my mind that Nokia (and now Jolla) have implemented the least useful choice (essentially, it's "data loss") when it comes to email alerts. Fingers crossed Jolla see fit to add an option. :)

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

This is one 'feature' of harmattan that I would also like to see as an option in SailfishOS. I'm with @Milhouse on this one, I don't see why email would be treated as less important than SMS, after all if I didn't want the email I wouldn't of added the account to my phone.

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

I can easily envisage why the notification is important.

Setup - the phone is set to check email every 30 mins. You're waiting for a colleague to get back, or are dying to get that email from Jolla to buy your Jolla II ;).

Stage 1 - Five emails come in. Some are newsletters, others are from a mailing list. None are important enough to warrant your attention right now, so having read the headers you stick your phone back in your pocket. 5 new emails remain unread.

Stage 2 - Three more come in. One's from a shop, the other's from that mailng list you should've unsubscribed from ages ago, and the last is for the new Jolla II with lasers as promised by Stskeeps! 8 new emails, but you're #5000 on the pre-order list because you didn't hear the notification and didn't check the phone for an hour.

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

sometimes i bring out of my pocket the phone, unlock the screen and PIN insert shown like SIM has been removed but SIM is insert yet...
so i think should be a little bug... it is frustrating discover your phone disconnected from net!! you miss calls

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

Funny behavio(u)r on low battery (<10%). Operation slowed to a crawl (unlocking took so long that I thought it had already died until it beeped). Screen update slowed down and halted so that at one point the screen remained for several seconds alternating horizontal bands of black and the image that had been on screen. Apps running: Messages, Clock, Calendar, People. Charge was 8 to 9% at the time.

Edit: instant recovery when power was applied.

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

I got my contacts from N9 and wanted to change some entries for instant messaging. These entries are shown on the contacts page itself, but not on the edit page.
It seems there is no way atm to change the telepathy portion.

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

Lasers? I want lasers.

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

Even if I agree with what you say we have to realize facts: Jolla lacks people! And we can only hope they can pump out alot of devices to get income to hire more people that is the only way.

There is ALOT that need to be improved.

But what we can do is to help were we can. Bugreporting and so on. And improve stuff that is open...

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

Or maybe it rebooted?

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

What's your issue? USB interface not showing up after selecting developer mode?

Did you set up the USB ip etc on your laptop/pc?

On Mac OSX you need the Horndis driver since Apple does not think supporting industry standards is needed.

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

UI issue: if you have home screen with e.g. one page and a half of apps, and you want to remove one of those at the end of the list (which will be shown in the middle of the screen), if you tap-and-hold on the icon, when the screen changes mode to allow deletion, all the icons are redrawn aligned to the bottom of the screen, and your finger will be on top a totally different app than the one you want to delete.
The issue doesn't show on the first page that is completely full with app icons.

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

Jolla should focus on make important stuff stabilized first:
So IMHO below can be:

AFAIK this is fully opensource so and can be done by the community?

Dissagre. Few use MMS this days, better community do it:

Those intrested should consider send a phone to Frals he probadly willing fix it ;)

for me wifi/3G should be accessible for pulleymenus in the lockscreen? Btw was not that the original plan to make that pulley menu customable?

No no dont make it more complex. Leave as is for now.

True but def not important IMHO.

Agree

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

Just a notice:

Alarm works as expected in sweden atleast (+1 from finland)...

Re: [Discovered:] SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

We've had two updates, but still lacking landscape mode:

(made this post more than 2 weeks ago)

This is a serious issue, it's part of basic functionality on a mobile browser...
Any idea when this issue will be solved?

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

Because you cant even be sure Nokia did skypeapp/Whatsapp it may very well have been outsourced. Now I ask you, were should Jolla get the money to make those apps? They first need to make the core functionality working and stable and THEN if the have money left fokus on more apps. but atm this can only be expected from third party or android repositorys...

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

Zoom can be done after photo taken so definitivly not something important. However focus and move focus point should be prioritezed from Jolla IMHO.

Re: [Discovered:] SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

This is a missing feature, not a bug, first few updates were supposed to be bug fixes, expect new features from Jan

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

true, below 10% jolla begins to slow down, freeze a bit or something.

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

AFAIK manual focus is only supported by Lumias atm, so while a cool feature no idea why would anyone prioritize it IMHO

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

Actually I remember that bug on N9 sailfish also. I then took for granted that thumbnail was there but image itself had dissapeared for uknown reason? Did not check it thought. Maybe others can check if files still exist after upgrade. Also noticed that I loosed all default ambience pictures when remove/insert my white cover :(

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

Pfff, I just sorted out all my contacts. I built up 485 contacts over the years in Exchange. Some of them merged with other contact data on N900 and N9, like photo or address, maybe Skype, LinkedIn, I don't know. But the normal sync with Exchange didn't bring them to the Jolla. Then a sync over bluetooth from the N9, no joy either.

In the end I exported all contacts on the N9 into vcf cards, browsed through the Jolla contacts to find out the missing ones. Painful, as I found no way to see a long list of names. The grouping by initial makes you go up again after finishing A to click the B etc. Anyway, I found 137 names missing.

Merged the vcf files into one file. Sent it to the Jolla, no joy. In Excel I threw out all the lines I mistrusted, leaving plain and simple vcf cards with 1 phone number and 1 e-mail address. Pasted those into a new file, sent it to the Jolla by bluetooth and it worked! There may be an easier way, but I did it!

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

Compare SMS with mail is not valid. Definitivly not if you get plenty of mail messages per hour. And definitivly not if you use the phone at work...

IF its implemented it should be as an option and turned off as default.

as always non developers or geeks who has plenty of freetime do think its a "piece of cake" and something done in 30 minutes.... In reality it takes days... Days that sometimes should be used for more important fixes/improvements....

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

I think I'm seeing a pattern here... alarm time is off when user's time zone is UTC/GMT, amiright? Sweden is CET (UTC+1), Finland is EET (UTC+2). I'm in Finland and my alarms go off at the time displayed.

Edit: Though I did see the countdown timer glitch where the timer goes to -20 s or so when first started after reboot(?).

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

I just wonder how many mails you get per hour then?

I have three mail account servers on my Jolla. I do not want to get a ping every damn mail I get. So different options for sure. But as stated already the phone blinks atleast. I think thats good enoug.

Btw maybe there is a work around that can be done by the community. add an daemon that check the blinks and send a beep every X minute ;)

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

I can see the Jolla in MTP, but cannot access it with its IP address through ssg like I do over WiFI. This is most likely due to the fact that Windows 8.1 does not seem to provide drivers for USB tethering. I don't know if there are alternatives, or if I could install drivers from another manufacturer (let's say Samsung).

Weirdly, in my connections, I do have a "N9 connection" that I could use for Bluetooth tethering (though if I recall correctly, I had trouble with ssh through USB with the N9 too, on both Windows 8.1 and my XP desktop). Perhaps Nokia Suite had some drivers here.


I have no idea! And my problem may be related to 8.1. I know I should use Linux, but there are apps I use too much on Windows to replace them by a VM, and their alternatives are not as good, or good too, but I would have to convert dozens of colleages. Impossible. :(

Anyway, if it can be fixed by community, I'm OK with that too!


Oh, so just to be clear, this list was not about complaining about features I want Jolla to implement! For instance, I contacted Frals 2 or 3 days ago to ask him whether he was planning on porting fMMS to Sailfish, so that solution would be perfect for me!

However, I have to say that MMS usage depends on countries, and on your contacts. There are still plenty of people who have no smartphones, or just no proper data plan because they chose a cheap subscription, and don't need more. There are also people who will never use social media, and using emails to quickly send a picture is cumbersome, not to mention your recipient will only know he received something if he is connected to the internet, while with MMS you need the data only to download. All in all, there are big chances all these people can view or send MMS.

It's an outdated method, but that is basically what makes it reliable when more is not needed.


No idea! I agree that adding some options in the pulley menu would be nice. As for favorite apps, I was just trying to find them an utility, because currently setting them as favorites only adds shortcuts inside another app (big paradox). By the way, I think having to keep the Settings app open all the time is... Unlike for sure, but not convenient. It uses one of your nine precious covers, acts as a false status bar to show you which connections are active, and the cover is the same whatever the page being displayed if you restore the app to fullscreen.

I was disussing that on IRC just a moment ago: I like the idea that we have no status bar on Jolla and I think it's dealt with in a good manner (but move the battery and connectivity indicators that currently are between lockscreen and homescreen on the lockscreen, with clock), but I miss some sort of general menu to pull down from everywhere like on Harmattan.

On Harmattan, this menu was sometimes terrible because we all triggered it by mistake dozens of times. Perhaps it should be designed differently, or with another gesture, but the idea is there: it would be better to have a generic menu to display wherever you are in Sailfish, rather than a Settings app to keep open, that uses one out of nine covers, and can only be triggered from the homescreen and when no other app is fullscreen.


Or at least, just allow "rearrange" and "restore if tap on cover" features in the homescreen after you longpressed something. Long press locks this screen, so it can be scrolled down. I'd be happy if this could be used for more things than just closing apps, and I don't hink it would make things more complicated, nor trade-off with any other function.


Yeah, the idea behind that was mostly to put ambiences here and remove them from the lockscreen and homescreen sideswipes (4 of the most easy to perform gestures, for only one function, that could be easily enough accessed from the lockscreen pulley).


:D

Sorry for long post! :) And I realize it might be off-topic, sorry for that too... Just wanted to elaborate on the things I was quoted for.

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

Thank you for this driver! At least I can see a Connected Sailfish with an IP Address in System Preferences / Network. But I cannot get a connection yet. Does anyone know?

On the Jolla I enabled Developer mode and Remote connection. I tried with and without Password. The MacBook Pro, OSX 10.8.5 cannot make a connection. Though USB:

MacBook:~ rob$ ssh 169.254.41.91
ssh: connect to host 169.254.41.91 port 22: Connection refused

Through WiFi there is a different response:
rob@192.168.254.38's password:
Permission denied, please try again.

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

Yes images are still there! You can actually see them in half of the screen if you trigger the edit menu (it's the actual image being edited, not the thumbnail).

Some pictures taken from Camera do work, just not all. And apparently one of the Jolla pictures works after being sent as an mail attachment. :<


[Edit] Alarm clock looks OK in France too. I was thinking to that yesterday but forgot to report! France is on the same timezone as Sweden (Mikecomputing).

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

I meant autofokus and move the rectangle. That was possible on N9.

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

I cannot comment on the missing fields after import, but I definitely reported the issue with missing contacts after import from a merged .vcf file. Some Jolla dev is working on it, and already from what he did, I could import 160 out of 163 contacts instead of 39 out of 163! He's still working on the reasons why 3 were omitted, and I think that when he successfully reproduce the bug, we can expect a fix.

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

Sometimes on a page, like in the browser, the onscreen keyboard pops up, fills up half of the screen and I cannot get it out of the way. Clicking on the web page is not easy: most of the page may be covered with hyperlinks.

Swiping the browser to Home, and entering the page again may help, or it may not. Haven't found the trick yet. The N9 Swype could be swiped to the side, and a normal keyboard could be swiped away to the bottom.

Example: http://www.anwb.nl/verkeer?regio=utrecht

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

Ok this seems to be user error.

I have no clue where you got that ip from, but that is a generic ip (like windows used to hand out) Most likely because it is trying to get an ip by dhcp from the phone. (Which will come in an update).

So first you need to set the ip on the usb interface of your pc/laptop. By default it is set to 192.168.2.15 on the device so anything like 192.168.2.1 for example will do.

Then you have to log in as user nemo (also for wifi)

so #ssh nemo@192.168.2.15

The password you need to set yourself or get generated randomly in the developer mode settings.

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

One rather suspects that the font might have been selected when they were anticipating a genuine HD display, before settling on the qHD we actually got.

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

Ok first of all you need to select developer mode to get USB networking.

See my previous post for the details.

Two: USB tethering is a feature that is coming soon. Which is sharing your phones internet connection with the pc. Not the same as being able to access your phone over USB network.

three: Windows 8.1 has rndis drivers by default

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

It's not a pulley menu now, it's a push gesture on the lock or home screen. Push in from the left OR the right to see your Ambience options, although you won't see anything until you've "favourited" at least one Ambience image in the Gallery app.

Personally, I think this is a total waste of the "push" gesture on the lock/home screen which could surely be used for something more useful (another page of multi-tasking apps, perhaps?). It's not as if you're going to change Ambience every 5 minutes.

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

Probably one of the optimisations they referred to in the Finnish article - maybe on low batt the CPU is incorrectly underclocked to a ridiculous level, possibly this worked fine with the ST-E silicon but not so good with Qualcomm...

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

I had a similar experience. Couldn't import a single large vcf containing about 166 contacts (with avatars etc.), but could import 26 separate files if I joined all the a*.vcf >a.vcf, b*.vcf > b.vcf etc. Importing the 26 small vcf files went like clockwork. No idea why the large file wouldn't import considering it contained exactly the same data. My method for transferring the vcf files was to email them to myself and open the email attachment on the Jolla. :)

I've now sent my large vcf file to w00t so hopefully Jolla can work out what the problem is and fix it because it's rather frustrating.

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

I AM a developer. It's not freaking rocket science, Mike. I didn't use that term lightly, but it's not likely to be the most onerous of changes.

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Not specific to the browser problem but yes, I really wish there was a button on the keyboard that allowed you to dismiss the keyboard rather than force you to hunt around for somewhere "safe" to tap on the screen and hopefully get rid of the keyboard.

Also, I've noticed in the browser that the keyboard will quite often cover up the field into which you are trying to enter text (eg. email address, username or password) . The virtual keyboard integration with the Gecko browser still has a way to go.

Anyone know why Jolla decided on the Gecko browser, and not continue with Webkit? Is it for Firefox OS compatibility?

Re: SailfishOS bugs and glitches
 

1. Yes I did try in Developper mode (USB mode).

2. I know this is something different, but I was advised to search with this term on the Internet because if you can tether, then you can conect to the device through IP, and there might be more results.

3. Good news!


Totally agree, see one of my posts above. :p


Just in case, I've given the link of your post to the Jolla employee that helped me, just in case he wants to share the temporary workaround he found for me (it was on IRC, can't find the logs easily).

But perhaps he will prefer to remain silent until a proper fix is found.