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You know, Mikecomputing, you may just take it to the next level and stop accepting cancer. Revolt against the possible causes.
There are plenty surrounding us and embedded in gadget driven lifestyle..
I really hope you do that when off TMO.

Mine is below 1000, in "picking" since 11th of Dec, nor further info for 3days , I have it sent to Belgium.

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I wasn't referring to this one sentence or its grammar, actually.

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Please elaborate then. By the way, in the first sentence, I should have added that "not all" webshop invitations have been sent according to preorder date. Most webshop invitations were sent in proper order I think. But not all.

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Thanks, that's the one sentence in this thread that I find useful in the last 3-4 hours. ste-phan: there is hope though, it has been reported that the status may be delayed, so your device might be closer to "Shipped" than you think.

Also, it looks like Jolla isn't working this weekend, which is fair enough.

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Same here, In picking (#200000657) since 11-Dec with no updates. As I can see from the spreadsheet, it seems that no one from the UK has had a "Shipped" update yet.

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Very simple and perfectly understandable by Kabouik:

1) There is a pre-order sequence or order of Jollas. The order in which you placed your order in wave one or two.

2) Then Jolla sent out invitations to the Helsinki purchase event. These apparently went out to the first pre-orderers in pre-order sequence. So far, so good.

3) Then Jolla sent out webshop invitations, so you could complete the pre-order. This is where it all started to go wrong. They did not follow the pre-order order, but sent the webshop invitations out in some other order. Some people who pre-ordered later, got their invitations to the webshop earlier than others who had pre-ordered before them.

4) Now there is another order of orders, the sequence in which people placed those orders completions to the webshop itself. This order is dependent on the webshop invitations as well as peoples time of getting to pay the order there etc. Note that because people got invitations not in the same sequence as they made their orders, they could not complete their orders in the same order even if they were as fast as humanly possible.

5) When Jolla started shipping, they did not choose to follow the pre-order sequence, but instead apparently are following the webshop order completion sequence, which can be quite random based on when people got their invites (remember, they didn't come out in order) and when they completed their order, even if they did so before the December 2nd deadline. Even if we disregard the DNA sales and pick-ups, it seems completely inexcusable that they didn't respect the original pre-order order at this point with mail shippings. But for some reason they did not.

The discrepancy between the order in point 1) and the order in point 5), added to the delays in completing the pre-orders and separate DNA sales, has caused many early orders to wait for their orders far longer than those who ordered later. There are several day one pre-orderers who are still waiting for their orders after people ordering much later have already gotten theirs.

Get it now? I think Kabouik was very clear.

Now, if Jolla actually told us some actual information on the shipping process we wouldn't have to keep guessing - but they seem he**bent on feeding us only PR mumbo jumbo.

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Have you guys missed this tweet from cybette?

https://twitter.com/cybette/status/4...243264/photo/1

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What is this? Where am I? Is this Candid Camera?
It's not that I wouldn't be intellectually able to grasp what he wrote. It's just beyond me how someone can write a whole thesis on the order in which orders are processed.... and then you come along and literally use words like

Nothing goes wrong. Devices are being shipped, FCS!

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This is a forum thread about Jolla pre-order tracking. Hence we should probably discuss that, not for example candid cameras or your reading comprehension. But I'll play.

Some people here are trying to help others by providing information. Kabouik did just that. I have no clue as to what you are trying to accomplish with your comments. Put those efforts down, I guess.

Someone takes the effort of writing a long informative post - all it takes is a WTF one-liner to bully him. Great going. I'm sure you are happy about your great efforts. You could have, of course, just ignored Kabouik's post if it didn't interest you.

As for going wrong, Jolla's pre-order process certainly went wrong. They said so much themselves. Nobody is saying the devices aren't shipping, they are saying the order and schedule of those shipments went wrong. The details, of course, why and what exactly are cloudy because we have to piece them ourselves.

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Why must people inform that they add one user to ignore list. Just add them/me and be done with it. Or do you need help/support from others to support your actions.

Anyway I will follow all you ignore list rookies and do the same.

Mike, you are added to my own brain's ignore list.

If anyone have or planning to add me or anyone to their list. Please inform anyone. We need more useless posts.

oh no. they are shipping with a van! That explains why it takes forever. I'm sure marc is the driver!

:D

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Thanks epmt. That is actually what I was trying to hypothesize, but you might have expalined it in proper English. :D

I have to emphasize, however, that (1) the webshop access mix-up problem likely concerned a minority only (me included), and (2) all that is definitely hypothetical. I might be wrong. What is absolutely sure is that some Day-1 preorderers are still waiting while some later preorderers have already had their Jolla delivered, regardless of Finland priority and DNA pick-ups.

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Thank you.

Yes, my experience agrees with your hypothesis - so the hypothesis I wrote is actually also my own, not just my interpretation of your analysis. :)

There are, even in Finland, people still waiting for their day 1, wave 1 pre-orders while later orders have shipped and delivered.

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That is a nice photo. May I request cybette follows it up with a brief tweet at this order number they are going now, that help people waiting for results - and perhaps how fast they are progressing, when do they estimate the final packages are sent out etc.

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Right. Order # and status of order.

Just as you could have ignored mine. Silly point. This is a forum, and people tend to exchange opinions in forums.

I was - and still am - flabbergasted by the fact that somebody takes hours of his life to construct a theory why orders are being processed in one particular way and not another... and what might be the cause. It astounds me because it does not matter at all as long as they are being processed.

And this is what I, my dear fellow forum user, take as my right here. Say that something is... at least unexpected. That's far from bullying.

As far as I understood, they had major difficulties so the shipments started late and still can only be kept up with a lot more effort than they had planned. (I thank all those sailors for their work.) Reason could be anything from a subcontractor going out of business to inadequate timing on Jolla's side. None of the reasons I could possibly think of are of the kind a professional company would make public.

Why someone takes so much time and effort to establish theories about the sequence in which shipments are being processed and its relation to the pre-orders as well as the actual payments (the latter being the mysterious part) is still way, way beyond me.

OTOH - what's even more of a "WTF did I just read" is this whole conversation we're having. Why did I let you make me explain my short and meaningless interjection of astonishment?

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Well, as already said by epmt in his previous post, and in my reply to Mike a few pages earlier, we are all contributing to a thread on tracking numbers of Jolla devices. Others, me, and you too. We all should be ashamed of the amount of time we have spent here, if I follow you way of thinking.

I'm sure it took me more time to read and answer the replies to my perhaps-erroneous-attempt to understand where the processing of priorities messed up than writing this wall of text in first place. You also spent more time following a thread you are obviously not interested in than I did to write this thesis you complain about.

To use the arguments of Mike above, sure I might have found AIDS cure if I had used this time more wisely. But this thread we are all contributing to currently has 733 replies and almost 60 000 views, so I was not feeling guilty spending time in trying to understand where the hiccup in shipping process was, as it is basically that hiccup that gathered all of us here. And apparently it interested a lot of people.

Apart from TMO, I sometimes use my energy for other stuff, but I'm afraid you would end up saying WTF too if I'd tell you how useful to society it might not be in some people's opinions. I actually spent 3 full time years writing a thesis on some stupid insects living in areas where nobody lives or even cares, and am now paid for continuing that sort of useless stuff. I don't feel sorry not being Nobel Peace prize or brain surgeon, and I really hope nobody should feel ashamed not to be a Nobel Peace prize or brain surgeon. It's kind of cool that one can decide spending one hour on TMO, or even decide playing Tetris (also works with Angry Birds) while waiting the bus, rather than trying to use this time to solve Alzheimer poorly understood mechanisms.

I use my free time as I want to use it, and so you can decide to use yours to read and even reply how useless it was. And all in all, we are currently both enjoying spending our time hand in hand discussing tracking numbers and boxes in vans.

P.S.
Oh, and from your post just above mine, I'm curious how much time you think I used to draw "theories". I reckon you are overestimating when you say "hours". And I thought I was just sharing my understanding and hypothesis of where the process messed up, not theories.

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Sure, but all that goes to the status of the order. I guess it is up to the moderators to enforce what they see as relevant, but personally I think a thread with merely status numbers would be quite pointless without any analysis. Those taking the effort to analyze and summarize in my opinion provide great service to other readers of threads like this.

Of course. Then again, originally - as you recall - I actually took my time to explain to you in good faith what Kabouik was talking about. Only afterwards it dawned on me that your entire point was simply to bully Kabouik, not really to seek clarification or add anything to the conversation except ridicule.

I doubt it took hours of someone's life to construct a theory. Some people are perceptive by nature and also write very fast. I had already come up with the same conclusion, from my own experience and by following various news sources. We have probably wasted more time bickering over this than Kaboiuk spent on writing his message that you originally responded to.

I disagree. The way you said it wasn't an expression of disagreement, to me it seemed like an attempt at ridicule.

Sure, the reasons might be anything and some might be confidential beyond reproach. Then again, a professional company also wouldn't have messed things up like this either.

Jolla have asked for our sympathy because they are just starting up, learning, and they have also expressed their unlikeness to other companies. If so, acting like it in their communication might make that sympathy a lot easier for other people.

Giving out more information would certainly go a long way to boosting their image as a community-oriented, open company. They could still do it quite professionally, simply by cutting out the PR mumbo jumbo and replacing it with a bit more actual information. Nobody is asking them to do it in an unprofessional manner or break confidentiality agreements.

Why would it be strange? That is absolutely normal fare for any pre-order tracking discussion of any product in the history of the universe. What's the point of threads like this, if they are not used to generate insight that people deem helpful? I think Kabouik offered a very plausible theory, one that aligns greatly with my own experience. If you think the theory is wrong, feel free to point otherwise of course.

Originally I was trying to help you, because it seemed like you didn't understand what Kabouik wrote. I think your astonishment was misplaced and miscommunicated. You disagree and that's fine of course.

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Pardon me for barging in, but could somebody tell me what's the necessary alcohol level in one's bloodstream to read and make sense of the last dozen or so posts in this thread? :rolleyes:

I feel as the only sober person on a drunken party of sailors :(

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Zwer, you just happen to live in Serbia. You have not reached the alcohol threshold yet. Hold on.

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And did you miss the fact that unfortunately she does not actually know where those boxes were going? I still maintain we have a discrepancy with the speed with which Jolla are getting phones reasdy to ship (i.e In Picking) and the speed with which they are actually shipping. And no figures or feedback from Jolla in the last two days have led me to believe otherwise.

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Jolla themselves have stated that there were indeed significant problems in shipping.

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I had this before, the whole bottle:
http://www.pago.at/?q=fruit-juice/252
I thought it didn't contain alcohol, but come think of it there was this ever so slight taste of fermentation...

Anyway, case closed, 2 people on ignore and I'll stay silent until I can join in again directly from my Jolla phone.

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My jphone seems to have been approved for air transport now:
http://www.posti.fi/itemtracking/pos...=RR082653995FI

They probably opened the package and checked that it was a phone and not a bomb. So if not anything blows up I'll have it early next week. :)

Edit: And this is a private package, not from a shop!

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That would be too weak to get to the level required to understand what you were arguing about. Something a bit more fermented and distilled ought to help, tho... I'll record how much I have to drink to reach the level of understanding of aforementioned posts. Onwards with science! :rolleyes:

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Back to shipments: anyone knows why order number and invoice number are different?


P.S.
Please, someone explains me how people can rise problems agressively, argue that these are forums where people share their thoughts, get answers from those they were replying too, and end up announcing publicly that they put them on ignore list. Just don't try to use forums, or in read only mode.

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Beer in, ideas out...

EDIT I just came to the conclusion that apples browsers is suppoerior when working with forms and copy and paste. Dont have time to fix this message as I want all devices should use apples form and copy and paste! Im sure jollabrowser is useless too. ****! How hard can it be!?!?!

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The world is not a fair place and people, in the end, are very subjectively interested in whatever they happen to be interested at any one time or whatever serves their perceived immediate interest.

It is easier to click Thank you or Like on a post about alcohol, than to do so in response to a thought-out post about something relevant - let alone respond with further insight.

Irony is, many people actually enjoy a post about alcohol more than a post about Jolla order tracking if the latter takes any effort to read and understand, or if the topic is controversial in some way.

Ignore is the easy way out.

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Bwahahaha.... :D
Oh zwer (incognito), always a "Kodak moment" when you do (once in a blue moon) chime in.
On the same scale as Marxian...
But I digress things further, I go back to lurking now, bye-bye.

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Yes, it is always far more easier to entertain people with a sarcastic remark than with actually making an effort and providing insight into a relevant discussion.

Unless, of course, you happen to - at that time - find that actual information useful. Then the story may change on what you find entertaining.

I wonder what the world would look like if the only profession was stand-up comedian. ;)

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with all due respect, this was factually incorrect, unfortunately i should know :rolleyes:

but i understand a lot of these comms get flung out to quieten the questions/queries, i cant blame you for that i guess, its seemingly how it works nowadays

as long as i get my currently "Paid" status for 25th, i wont hold it against you personally :p

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Of course that wasn't true, it was PR talk.

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I wasn't having a go at anyone, I just thought it was a great diffuser, it cut right to the point so that (hopefully) things will get back on track. ;)
And I agree that you're within your right to hypothesise, that's still within the scope of this thread, although ideally it won't become the focal point.

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Couldn't be worse than the current world. This whole thread reminds of the legendary Louis C.K. routine :cool:

It appears I've accepted that I ain't gonna get my Jolla before February, thus I cannot understand why one has to write essays about absolutely nothing and consequently I cannot understand those same essays nor arguing about such, at least not sober. It's an effin' phone for crying out loud, not a cure for cancer!

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What happens to user paying the third or later? I guess Noone will until Jolla give some info. Please share some light so you might get a few more customers. Do they have to wait another month or even 6 months?

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Because there are failed orders, cancelled orders, credit memos, refunds etc in there too. There's possibly internal orders, test orders also.

It's just the way that Magento (the ecommerce package Jolla use) works. ie. for the conspiracy theorists NOTHING SINISTER.

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Thanks Aegis. I do not belong to the conspiracy theorists, just in case. I was just asking, because invoice number might be a more relevant priority descriptor than order number.

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Social security number of your dentist's aunt has propably more to do with shipping priority than any number you got from Jolla.

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But in the end are very few who have received at home on the phone from the 3rd of December, a lot are picking, few shipped this is point, the phones are still in the cardboard on the truck? .....
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...=sharing#gid=0

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Hello. Calm down guys everything he will be ok;)