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In the short term, it means avoid anything from Audi, GM, Honda and Hyundai.

In the long term, heavens help us all!

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Hopefully in the mid term some politician will figure out that competition law applies here and forces this "alliance" to split and use something else, like Sailfish, or even better... a standard where you can boot up whatever: any Linux, OS/2 Warp, ... ;-)

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http://goodereader.s3.amazonaws.com/...ptune-pine.jpg

This is not a smar****ch but rather a small phone. It seems cool and can be my new substitute for xperia mini. Really small screen rules. You should buy one as running toy. time for you to move.

http://www.droid-life.com/wp-content...une-Pine-4.jpg

http://k14.vcmedia.vn/thumb_w/600/99...ine5-c30fd.png

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i have always like the metawatch philosophy of glanceable tech, but unimpressed with the hardware.

we have a pebble in the house, looks utterly bobbins and we could find no one that would actually want to wear it.

most keen on the new Martian smar****ch as it actually looks like a watch... with an oled ticker-tape display embedded in it.

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You should see the new Pebble.. www.getpebble.com/steel
Now we're talkin' :p

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This is probably the first time I find technology ugly... I'll keep my N9 for running, thanks, at least until MeeRun is ported to Sailfish :-)

For some reason, the UI reminds me of Windows for Workgroups. Don't ask me why.

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Yeah running is all about looking good and styleish. You got it ;)
Forget what's practical... :D

The future is coming

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On the contrary, the future never comes it's always the present.

The best thing (imho) from this CES are Vizios and Kogans 4K TVs priced at $999 or lower. Unlike the closest competitors $6,000 price.

Asus 4k monitor at $799?

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3D printer $499?

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I saw that before, but no price was listed at the time.
Its not really intriguing for me.... I currently have a 42inch TV and that feels small.

If I could get one in 47in/50in/55in or bigger variants that would be good.

Kogan's TV is exceptionally good. Instead of "Smart TV" it has "Android" (with PlayStore) built-in so this is far more useful and fun. Its got USB 3.0 which seems rare at times and some nifty features. In fact it not only over-featured the Vizio it also undercut it by $50-$100.

One downside is the omission of 3D, which I'm not too bummed about. Besides if they were going to do 3D I'd prefer the superior passive type (which is rarer) and if possible with an advancement (current polarizing layer is done on vertical plane, have it on a checkered layer):
http://stijndewitt.files.wordpress.c...ored.png?w=530

So much so that, Polaroid has decided to lower its 4K TV price in accordance. Chances are Polaroid's TV's screen would be of lower quality (reputation), it already lacks a lot of features, and it would barely undercut the competition.

Seems like Kogan might be my next TV, perfect that its actually in my country. I'm ready to retire ye olde TCL which has surprising held strong and never caused problems.

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I still have a CRT TV at my home. :D

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My TV is slightly bigger than yours, 120" :)

I have a rear projector, DLP, Acer, bought 5 yrs back, with 1920 X 1280 resolution, and a motorised screen, and my old and about to retire audio system with 7 speakers, occupied my whole basement. Excluded the price of the audio system, which is pre-existed, the whole setup was under $600, and sure, you bet, I setup every single bit of the system, including threading wire between heating ducts. And I am proud of myself, I am kind of a software guy, not that much of a hardware guy, less even carpentry :)

Latest addition, bought an Android TV stick with HD output, video cut off at 720p, and sound only goes to stereo, I think the limitation is from the Android OS rather than hardware.

bun

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Yup, almost the same in my case (107"). Sadly, projectors are not for everyone, so "smart" TV's seem to get a lot more traction/publicity/attention.

I personally don't think I'll ever own a TV again...

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I like projectors... I just don't like how you need a dark room for it to be effective, the limitations to brightness, colour, resolution etc, the energy drain, or the slow refresh rates/"ghosting" (for fast-paced videos like sports/tennis or video games).

And the fact that for good quality ones (to compete properly with TVs) its gets very pricey.

And that when all your standards are met, the projector usually lights up your room by the excess light bouncing off the walls... much more than a TV's glow lighting up a room.

Dunno, it just seems like a good idea... but more compromises made on quality.
They should make a curved blank screen/blinds and a projector that can light it up circular around a user/users.

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Yup - I spent a bit more than bunanson and was too happy when I got it (>3 years ago). I'd need to spend roughly the same again to get an up to date version, and a bit more for it to be "cinema quality".

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I just bought the Kogan 4K TV.
Waiting for arrival, here in a month.

AU$999 + AU$209 (5yr warranty) + AU$36 (shipping) + $9 (insurance)
Closest competitor priced at $3,599.

Good things:
120Hz
USB 3.0 / MHL / Wifi
Recording 1TB support
Android OS (instead of "smart tv")

Bad things:
Edge-lit LED (not from panel)
Active 3D (passive is superior)

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Its time for a CES 2015 and an update for this thread name to 2015.

Sony livestream
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/01/...e-at-ces-2015/

LG rumor
LG G flex 2
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/01/02...napdragon-810/

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So I have ... but I have xbmc/openelec hooked to it


good enough for watching simpsons in divx :)


Maybe I will change it for a Linux TV (ie Tizen's ones from CES ?)

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G flex 2.. oh nice.

We might see a SONY Xperia Z4 at CES. Supposed to be a Z3 with a S810 SoC and perhaps a 1440p display.

We might even wee the rumored HTC One (M9), also supposed to have the S810 but is curiously sticking to the 1080p display. That should mean crazy battery life. If only HTC decides to make the device thinner (<9mm) and shave off those crazy bezels.


PS I finally bought the Kogan TV. I paid late Febuary 2014, was promised it would arrive in 4 weeks. It didn't arrive until Mid May, about 2.5 - 3 months later. It was great but had MAJOR problems. A lot of (and uneven) light bleeding in dark scenes. Very very low contrast (despite the spec sheet). 3D glasses wouldn't pair half the time. A lot of post-processing artifacts and crazy motion blur. Also a slow HDMI connector which was inducing lag on consoles. That was $1,250 in total, and a refund was applied for in May and issued/returned in June (at a loss of ~$90).

I ended up buying an LG 55LB6500 instead. Its 120Hz like the Kogan, but induces no artifacts or lag when watching sports or playing on the console. Its IPS display too. It also has light-bleeding, lot's to be honest, but its more uniform so its harder to notice in scenes. Brightness is good, contrast is great... thus HD quality is much better. 3D actually works (and passive). On top of this, the webOS user interface is quite great... and better than the "Android" implementation of the Kogan. Purchased it brand new with 5 year warranty. Was ~$1,500 but I snagged it for $1,100.... cheaper and better than the Kogan TV.

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Kogan tv. Couldn't you guess all that before...Hulk Kogan TV :D

Anyway...you like LG. Their livestream :http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dkQKIpOLzR4

Even My CRT TV habe been more then 11 year and never repair it. Its fine... :)

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Same here. Shame it was an early version with a built-in DVB tuner and was made obsolete when the whole country switched to digital. What an irony. I replaced it with a modern LCD model and observed two thing: 1) HDTV is hugely overhyped. You need the screen the size of your entire living room wall (or the eyes of a hawk) to notice any difference. 2) Usability went downhill. When my old TV was off, pressing 5 on the remote switched it back on and switched to channel 5. My new TV from the same producer does not work like that, I need to turn it on first, wait a bit, and only then can I switch fhe channel.

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1) No no no. 60 inch is enough. Ultra HD is Cool. but if its really useful. naa, but cool :D

The biggest issue is that not everything is in UHD right now.

of course you can see the same movie with a tv from the 90s...But you will see the difference even if you are half blind.

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Dave, he was talking about HD being useless, not UHD :D

UHD is really pointless below 70". Combined with the fact that there is almost zero content it's just money thrown out the window for the next 5 to 10 years.

Thats why I got a 65" 1080p TV in December. My Dad's 65" UHD TV looks worse, as it needs to upscale all content. He got it 1 week before I got mine and he didn't listen to my advice not getting an UHD. Marketing worked at it's best.

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It's not pointless. For every new cool resolution we are closing in to the next "cool thing" Super Ultra HD Deluxe.

http://hometheaterreview.com/images/UltraHD.jpg

Stop being such a "oldies", new stuff is useless. Its important even if its useless. You know about development and evolution, right? :D

just wait a year and your new android comes with ultra HD in a 5 inch screen :D

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It is pointless, unless you sit 1m away if less than 65" and that only with 4k content. It's even counterproductive if all my 1080p content gets blured while it's upscaled.

Remember the megapixel race of digital cameras?

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MP are great if you want to resize the photo to redicules size so there is always use cases where its cool. but not really saying anything about the quality of the cam or photos.

Remember the computers that put the man on the moon.
http://www.computerweekly.com/featur...an-on-the-moon

They where not that powerful but made the job. Today... the computer would do the same thing just faster, more things at the same time and so forth.

however, Its not really needed to get the job done. But it's just "better". Its just "more".

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More ist not always better.

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That is correct.

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65"? You don't live in sunny England, do you? Unless you are a millionaire and live in a mansion, your normal living room is about the size of a large dog kennel would be in places like Austria or Poland. My TV is 32" and it is HUGE for my living room size.

And the point of 5" 4k screens? Or even 1080p? Bragging rights only, nothing else. The picture does not look any sharper whether you have 480 lines or 1480, unless you look at it through the microscope. The weakest link is the human, not the technology, It is the same reason the TV digital watches never caught on, even though they were available since the 1980s.

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OK, now I understand why you think HD is useless. On a 32" TV I also would count it as useless with normal view distance between 2 and 3 meters.

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A minor correction: I did not say useless, I said overhyped.

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Which is often the same ;)

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Human eye while can theoretically see around 600 MP, in practice its actually focusing on 7 MP and about an additional 1 MP for the peripheral.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I5Q3UXkGd0

So that's 8 MP.... 8,000,000 pixels.... 8K, hence 7680 x 4320 resolution.

We're almost there... we've got 3.5K (2560 x 1440), we just need 8K for the OculusRift.

...then we can all ditch these flat-screen tvs!


( PS pichlo, if you want a larger tv, just sit closer and closer towards the display : )

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Dependant on the viewing distance, check the graph in your youtube video on 1 minute 45 seconds.

I'm about 3,5 meters (11,5 feet) away from my TV. So I could get even a 80" TV to get full benefit of 1080p. For 4k, my wall is not big enough to get full benefit from it :D

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Which reminds me -- Pierogi macros support a "pause" feature, so you can create a macro to hit the "power" button, wait a second or two, and then hit some channel buttons. Still not as convenient as the instant-on feature, but it's something. :)

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too me its sounds that your wall is too small. Dont blame UHD for that ;)

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Its not an accurate graph, and changes from person to person.
That graph probably suits my granmother who wears glasses.
I on the other hand, noticed the clear distinction between 720p and 1080p, on a 42in display, sitting from a 4 metre distance.

I shudder at the constant 576p resolution that streams on digital TV. With only one other channel showing 720p resolution, and another (sports oriented) channel showing 1080i.

Besides the console and BluRay, its hard to get proper content on the home screen. There's native YouTube support so I can usually get 720p content, and occasionally 1080p as well. But the trick seems to be getting a TV Box like Roku 3 (best content provider, but limited to US and UK only), a Nexus Player (Android Apps and Casting), or Apple TV (AirPlay and few iOS Apps).

I have noticed 4K making an improvement, but I think this would be noticeable at a closer distance (2.5m) and on a larger (65in) display.


P.S. by the way, I only just understood the really weird SONY "K" naming scheme. So a 1024 x 576 (regular TV) resolution is actually a 1K resolution.

1280 x 720p (or 1366 x 768) is x1.5 bigger, but its still labelled as a 1K resolution. Whatever.

1600 x 900 is 1.5K resolution.
1920 x 1080 is 2K resolution.
2560 x 1440 is 2.5K resolution.
3200 x 1800 is 3K resolution.
3840 x 2160 is 4K resolution <-- this is about 8MP, close to human eye focal limit. See my above post.
5120 x 2880 is 5K resolution (iMac Retina)
6400 x 3600 is (unusual) 6.5K resolution.
7680 x 4320 is 8K resolution.


And also noticed that new iMac Retina is a MASSIVELY FLAWED gadget. On sale for $3,000 but is worth only about half that price. Why? It doesn't take advantage of that screen, not even OSX, it doesn't even do PC Gaming. Its only worth as much as a $1,500 dektop. But I would say it could've been a $3,500 worth device if it had 2 very minor differences; HDMI-in and gaming gpu. Apple Y U ALWYZ LET DOVVN ?!