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pycage 2014-03-18 09:59
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by catbus (Post 1417284)
What is so hard to implement that?...

w00t?
As far as I understand it, the MMS specification looks and feels like a relic of the 90's and is incompatible with mobile internet (such a thing did not exist back then).
So, the phone has to juggle with two different APNs. Ask frals, who did the implementation of MMS on the N900.

strongm 2014-03-18 10:11
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larswad (Post 1417348)
Not a single note on alien dalvik improvements. Installing paid apps still crashes play.!
Indeed. So, sadly, the compass still doesn't work with Android apps. But I don't think you'll see Jolla fixing the Play Store - they do not support it.

HolgerN 2014-03-18 10:34
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
For me the compass is working under alien dalvik, i tried mapswithme, OsmAnd~ and Gps Status.

strongm 2014-03-18 10:43
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HolgerN (Post 1417402)
For me the compass is working under alien dalvik, i tried mapswithme, OsmAnd~ and Gps Status.
You are right! Weird. When I tested earlier it definitely wasn't working at all. And now it is. I've rebooted (to clear another issue) since, so maybe that did the trick.

Fellfrosch 2014-03-18 11:02
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Compass worked already since the last update.
What still doesn't work is the recognition of WLan with some apps :mad:

Morpog 2014-03-18 11:14
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1417394)
As far as I understand it, the MMS specification looks and feels like a relic of the 90's and is incompatible with mobile internet (such a thing did not exist back then).
So, the phone has to juggle with two different APNs. Ask frals, who did the implementation of MMS on the N900.
You can see them working on MMS feature here:
https://github.com/nemomobile/mms-engine

Larswad 2014-03-18 11:21
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by strongm (Post 1417400)
Indeed. So, sadly, the compass still doesn't work with Android apps. But I don't think you'll see Jolla fixing the Play Store - they do not support it.
That would be understandable and acceptable, sure.

But IS it a play-store issue, or is it a matter of supporting android api's/features properly?

Larswad 2014-03-18 11:26
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Another couple of things that bugs me the most, the notifications screen (or whatever it is called) feels much to unused. Jolla should find out how it could be utilized better, a lot of screen estate is lost to nothing.

And...being able to categorize applications somehow. I have a jungle of applications now (even if I am not a user that installs too much crap) and I'd prefer them in maps or categories rather than launching that community-developed Quick Launcher (not that its a bad application or anything, its fine).

EDIT: Oh, the email-application just bugged out on me. On the main screen (listing the different accounts) I couldn't selected any of them. It was like the gui elements was disabled. Restarting the email app and the accounts were clickable again.
When it happened I had viewed a mail, zoomed out of it so that I could see the dots to go back. Then at the main mail screen, no accounts were selectable (even though they looked the same as usual).

mscion 2014-03-18 11:37
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Hi. Didn't see this posted but this seems to summarize changes and some remaining issues.

https://together.jolla.com/question/...0420-ohijarvi/


Also just wondering, as I expect to get my phone on April 14 will there be another update by then? Just askin' ...

Also, as I'm a big fan of mms, has anyone tried using an android app to do mms as it currently appears to not work on Jolla phone. The app I use on my android phone is called Hangouts

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...e.android.talk


One more thing, for those in the US where data on Jolla phone is nonexistence. I just found out that you can get 2.5GB data on T-mobile for $20 a month using their 4G Hotspot device. Though not a perfect solution it is doable for many situations.

strongm 2014-03-18 12:02
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1417406)
Compass worked already since the last update.
No, it didn't. Or, more accurately, it didn't work in most Android apps. It was a bug acknowledged by Jolla (on together.jolla.com) on Jan 20th and not fixed in the Jan update.

strongm 2014-03-18 12:14
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larswad (Post 1417413)
That would be understandable and acceptable, sure.

But IS it a play-store issue, or is it a matter of supporting android api's/features properly?
A fair question, although all the evidence so far seems to point to it being a Play issue

aegis 2014-03-18 12:32
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larswad (Post 1417376)
Hmm, button on a wired headset still no go. No reaction or anything in media player nor phone app.
Is it a Nokia wired headset or an iPhone/Android wired headset? The pinouts are different and I would suspect only the iPhone/Android type are supported if at all.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Larswad (Post 1417376)
THAT thing I would have thought would be a rather easy thing to finalize by the Jollas.
Not complaining, just saying...:D
I would have thought there's plenty ahead of that in the list of things to implement.

aegis 2014-03-18 13:16
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larswad (Post 1417415)
Another couple of things that bugs me the most, the notifications screen (or whatever it is called) feels much to unused. Jolla should find out how it could be utilized better, a lot of screen estate is lost to nothing.
+1000 on that.

I wish they'd just stop messing about trying to be different to the N9 and blatantly copied the 3 panel layout that was so good on the N9.

Having all your events, notifications, meetings in one stream on one screen was great and didn't require some thumb bending swipe up from the bottom of the screen edge - a gesture I never used on the N9 either.

Boxeri 2014-03-18 13:23
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I also fully agree with Larswad and aegis. The lock/notification screen should be made to use much better. Right now there is "nothing" there to be used, except to use the pulley menu for few quick access items that we can't even arrange ourselves. Would love to have the N9 like notifications screen in place of the lock screen also.

Anyone been able to utilise bluetooth connections on android side? I wan't to get my Pebble working with this...

Is there one "do it all" command to re-enable all my Openrepos repositories or do I have to do it one by one in terminal (PuTTy)?

nieldk 2014-03-18 13:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxeri (Post 1417431)
Is there one "do it all" command to re-enable all my Openrepos repositories or do I have to do it one by one in terminal (PuTTy)?
Depends, wheter you disabled, or removed the repositories ?
If you disabled, you can reenable like this

Code:
for i in $(ssu lr 2>&1 | grep openre | cut -d" "  -f3); do  ssu er $i ; done

Boxeri 2014-03-18 13:40
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
I did

ssu dr openrepos-name of repository

so I only disabled them. Can still see them with ssu lr-command.

So I can use that looooonnng command you provided, right? It is scary long :p

Larswad 2014-03-18 13:42
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aegis (Post 1417424)
Is it a Nokia wired headset or an iPhone/Android wired headset? The pinouts are different and I would suspect only the iPhone/Android type are supported if at all.



I would have thought there's plenty ahead of that in the list of things to implement.
Yes, I know sadly enough too much about these TRRS issues.
It is an android/iphone one since I had to buy an adapter for it to work on my N900. It is the "Koss Porta Pro", the one with button on it.

Even if the iPhone crap-standard prevailed, the Nokia standard was the best one from an electrical point of view.

nieldk 2014-03-18 13:45
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxeri (Post 1417435)
I did

ssu dr openrepos-name of repository

so I only disabled them. Can still see them with ssu lr-command.

So I can use that looooonnng command you provided, right? It is scary long :p
LOL, yes - copy/paste in terminal from PC using SSH ;)

Setok 2014-03-18 13:52
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1417352)
In the video I linked above the reviewer claims that AD apps seem much smoother, he opens about 3 or 4 & demos them very briefly.
But yes if it's not officially noted in the release notes, then I guess one could assume he's just imagining things...
In my short tests there does seem to be some improvement in Android apps. Certainly Flappy Bird (sic!) is now smooth and fast, while previously it had low framerate (and thus was a tad easier...)

yabush 2014-03-18 14:34
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1417434)
Depends, wheter you disabled, or removed the repositories ?
If you disabled, you can reenable like this

Code:
for i in $(ssu lr 2>&1 | grep openre | cut -d" "  -f3); do  ssu er $i ; done
Do you have the code for terminal?

shallimus 2014-03-18 14:34
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1417346)
Exactly.

Different things are important for dofferent people.
For example, @shallimus is worrying about the calendar sync support, which is something I could not care less, I hardly use the calendar in my device at all, except for checking which is the current date. (no sync needed there)

On the other hand, I have froiendas that regularily send me MMS'es, and I'd like to see them without logging on to my provider's MMS gateway page which is pretty tedious procedure.
Yes indeed. That all makes sense. I don't know anyone who uses MMS in either of the two countries on two different continents where I live my life, which is why I asked my question about MMS.

I hope I managed to mark my question as being sincere and not intended to annoy anyone, because it was a genuine wish to know why people still care about MMS. I started out assuming there are good reasons to want it still. Now I have some idea what those are :)

mscion 2014-03-18 14:48
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shallimus (Post 1417447)
Yes indeed. That all makes sense. I don't know anyone who uses MMS in either of the two countries on two different continents where I live my life, which is why I asked my question about MMS.

I hope I managed to mark my question as being sincere and not intended to annoy anyone, because it was a genuine wish to know why people still care about MMS. I started out assuming there are good reasons to want it still. Now I have some idea what those are :)
Hi. I don't quite understand the issue folks are having about using MMS (except that is currently does not work on Jolla). I use MMS when I send text message to more than one person at same time or if I send an image or camera shot via text. Works really nice. I guess I am behind the times but what do folks normally do instead?

abyzthomas 2014-03-18 14:55
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
My disappointments after this update:
1. Still no Voice Mail Notification.
2. No Calendar notification
3. No MMS
4. Cannot click/swipe on notification icons on lock screen
5. No solution to avoid scrolling to top on long list/pages to access pull down menu.

I like after the update:
1. Butter smooth - no lagging so far
2. Bluetooth audio A2DP lockup seems to have resolved with my car
3. Lipstick does not seem to take over the system. Haven't had to kill it.
4. Haven't had to reboot since the update
5. Contact showing type of phone number

Final thought.
I still like the N9/Harmattan interface. Why did they have to change it? It is like they changed it just to be different. It was so natural. We just needed some fixes. I wish someone starts an open source project to put Harmattan like interface on Nemo.

evk 2014-03-18 15:03
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Anyone been brave enough to enable google calendar sync? Exactly what will happen once I enable a google account? I'd like it to only interact with the calendar, but apperently that's not an option.

shallimus 2014-03-18 15:05
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1417451)
Hi. I don't quite understand the issue folks are having about using MMS (except that is currently does not work on Jolla). I use MMS when I send text message to more than one person at same time or if I send an image or camera shot via text. Works really nice. I guess I am behind the times but what do folks normally do instead?
No issue here other than curiosity about why people still use MMS, which people have answered, so now I know!

Me? I tend to use email a lot for sending images, as I don't typically need a quick response. A lot of people use WhatsApp (yes, yes, I know about the privacy concerns) or Facebook or that Apple thing (iMessage?) or Telegram or various other things I probably don't even know about.

I guess there are as many combinations of valid ways of sending messages as there are people who send messages.

I hope you get your MMS support on Jolla! :)

Edit: hey, looks like you get MMS next update! Cool! (see below)

tissot 2014-03-18 15:06
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abyzthomas (Post 1417452)

Final thought.
I still like the N9/Harmattan interface. Why did they have to change it? It is like they changed it just to be different. It was so natural. We just needed some fixes. I wish someone starts an open source project to put Harmattan like interface on Nemo.
Can they actually just straight out use the harmattan UI concept? You would think Nokia/MS understandably would not just give it away. I mean the UI is still in use on AshaOS.

I agree with other statements here that notifications screen thingie is just not used anywhere near to its potential and I would certainly rather just access it like on harmattan. I don't think I'm the only one that especially on the early days when they got the phone forgot the whole thing existed.

abyzthomas 2014-03-18 15:35
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1417456)
Can they actually just straight out use the harmattan UI concept? You would think Nokia/MS understandably would not just give it away. I mean the UI is still in use on AshaOS.
It is possible the Nokia/MS will have an issue. I am thinking about just a few things that they could do to improve.

1. Nothing happens when you swipe from the side edges of the launcher icons screen. What a waste! It is a natural gesture.

2. Swipe to left and right from Lock Screen and home screen - 4 screens - resereved for Ambiance. Why?

3. Can only see 9 running apps? And they call it the best multi-tasking platform? Home screen swipe left/right could easily get rid of the 9 open app limit. That is if Jolla wants to do it.

These things are not my idea, but has been mentioned many times. Jolla seems to be ignoring them though.

I had hoped Jolla will listen to some of the suggestions that the users made.

Don't get me wrong, but I still like Jolla, but I wish they will start working or tell us that we will look into making the interface more intuitive.

candas1 2014-03-18 15:57
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
MMS is coming in next update

https://twitter.com/MarcDillonDotFi/...956416/photo/1

Morpog 2014-03-18 16:01
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Only because you think it would be cool doesn't make everyone think it is.

I am satisfied with 9 apps.
I don't want horizontal scrolling on apps list. Give me folders and all is well.

shallimus 2014-03-18 16:11
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1417463)
Only because you think it would be cool doesn't make everyone think it is.

I am satisfied with 9 apps.
I thought it was very weird that when I open the 10th app, I can't see it in the multi-tasking pane. I agree with abyzthomas that there should be some way of getting to it without seeking the app icon in the launcher.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1417463)
I don't want vertical scrolling on apps list. Give me folders and all is well.
If you're replying to the list of ideas from abyzthomas, I think you mean horizontal? No matter.

All these things you don't want/need! Presumably your experience is better with less choice, which makes me think of another ecosystem altogether ;)

Still, I agree that launcher folders are a great idea. Hopefully they'll be in the next release.

Morpog 2014-03-18 16:14
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Yep, meant horizontal :D

olympus 2014-03-18 17:02
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1417416)
Hi. Didn't see this posted but this seems to summarize changes and some remaining issues.

https://together.jolla.com/question/...0420-ohijarvi/


Also just wondering, as I expect to get my phone on April 14 will there be another update by then? Just askin' ...

Also, as I'm a big fan of mms, has anyone tried using an android app to do mms as it currently appears to not work on Jolla phone. The app I use on my android phone is called Hangouts

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...e.android.talk


One more thing, for those in the US where data on Jolla phone is nonexistence. I just found out that you can get 2.5GB data on T-mobile for $20 a month using their 4G Hotspot device. Though not a perfect solution it is doable for many situations.
Tried MMS with Hangouts. No luck so far.

Makeclick 2014-03-18 17:37
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
I must say. I am very happy after update :). None bug for me yet.. Only tiny lag in home view, when scrolling and wait a little and scrol again.

Dave999 2014-03-18 17:49
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by anidel (Post 1417367)
Hey! Those are MY devices! (really)
Very nice collection you're having there. Great shape too!

pycage 2014-03-18 17:52
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
I take the 9 app covers limitation as an effective warning. The device has only 1 GB of RAM, so you better not open too many apps the same time.
This strategy seems to work very well (On the N9 I used the same strategy).
Sometimes it's just time to think about what apps to close.

abyzthomas 2014-03-18 18:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1417496)
This strategy seems to work very well (On the N9 I used the same strategy).
On N9, I usually had 3 or 4 messaging windows, 2 browser windows, 1 email app, etc.

It was fine on N9. On Jolla, I keep weather app, calendar app, facebook app, twitter, etc in addition to standard apps. See you did not have to keep these apps open on N9. You could access all those information without any app open.

Heck, you can't even see today date, unless you open calendar app. Why can't they display that on the lock screen.

So just to get basic information, you need at least 5+ apps open.

Then messaging, email and a browser. You are done. How about Whatsup, Vibor, Contacts, Phone, Notes, etc?

abyzthomas 2014-03-18 18:31
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
I am sorry. I don't want to hijack this thread.

I appreciate the hard work Jolla has done to give us the needed update. Thank you sailors!!!

Since Sailfish seems to be stable after this update, maybe Jolla will have time to start listening to (my!) whining.

mariusmssj 2014-03-18 19:54
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Tweet from Marc Dillon:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjAxWvqCYAA2-BL.png:large

HtheB 2014-03-18 20:44
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by anidel (Post 1417367)
Hey! Those are MY devices! (really)
You should ask for credits.... they cant use pictures of someone else without asking first :) (especially labeling them with their own logo!)

Dave999 2014-03-18 20:49
Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1417532)
You should ask for credits.... they cant use pictures of someone else without asking first :) (especially labeling them with their own logo!)
I never Labeled them as My own. I used google to find them. or do you mean that the verge stole the image. wtf...they did...let's sue them:D

My collection is much more black, thinner and collecting more dust. These devices seems to be in mint condition.


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