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mikecomputing 2014-03-18 21:02

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by catbus (Post 1417284)
What is so hard to implement that?...

w00t?

Why is it so hard for you to understand? They have to focus on important stuff first! Means make core stable.

However seems they plan it in update 5. But I hope they prioritize other important stuff first. since there is more stuff that still need to get solved. Such as the known issue list theyr published with 4.

Also Qt5.2 and more libs allowed on harbour is way more important than MMS because more libs means more apps.

mikecomputing 2014-03-18 21:09

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by Dared (Post 1417324)
Still no luck! I'll shoot over an email to Jolla to see what they say

...or try IRC freenode.net channel: #sailfishos

if not have any client use web:

https://webchat.freenode.net/

latency 2014-03-18 21:11

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by latency (Post 1417193)
Too late....already in progress here :eek:

A little update on my own post. I did update to the latest version of Sailfish without disabling anything from Warehouse. The update seems to have gone well though. I haven't noticed any issues yet.

Can something be broken even though I haven't noticed?

mikecomputing 2014-03-18 21:16

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1417409)
You can see them working on MMS feature here:
https://github.com/nemomobile/mms-engine

That also means those complaining about it should contribute! Since must of us dont care in thinks Jolla has way more important stuff to prioritize for endusers like more api on harbour...

mikecomputing 2014-03-18 21:23

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1417456)
Can they actually just straight out use the harmattan UI concept? You would think Nokia/MS understandably would not just give it away. I mean the UI is still in use on AshaOS.

I agree with other statements here that notifications screen thingie is just not used anywhere near to its potential and I would certainly rather just access it like on harmattan. I don't think I'm the only one that especially on the early days when they got the phone forgot the whole thing existed.

Right now I think they better disable feedscreen because right now it just unusable and annoying :(

But I agree its probadly cause of MicroNokia...

abyzthomas 2014-03-18 21:28

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1417540)
Right now I think they better disable feedscreen because right now it just unusable and annoying .

Hmm.. Am I missing something? Are you talking about Sailfish? Is there a feed screen?

bockersjv 2014-03-18 21:44

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
No but there is rhe notifications screen, which looks like it will be the feed screen and a less than useful lock screen. The lock screen has no date, no customisation and no battery level, I am hoping that gets a major overhaul too.

Eztran 2014-03-18 22:13

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by latency (Post 1417538)
A little update on my own post. I did update to the latest version of Sailfish without disabling anything from Warehouse. The update seems to have gone well though. I haven't noticed any issues yet.

Can something be broken even though I haven't noticed?

I believe the main package that was causing problems was removed pretty quickly, and it was only certain repos that gave problems anyway. If it looks like the update went fine, it probably did.

latency 2014-03-18 22:33

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eztran (Post 1417550)
I believe the main package that was causing problems was removed pretty quickly, and it was only certain repos that gave problems anyway. If it looks like the update went fine, it probably did.

Thanks for the reply. Jolla Store and Warehouse seems to work well and the phone is fluid so I guess it all went fine :)

catbus 2014-03-18 22:51

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1417536)
Why is it so hard for you to understand? They have to focus on important stuff first! Means make core stable.

I understand... - Core is allready stable and when J is not more beta then "normal people" is watching only "...what can I do with J.?"

Quote:

However seems they plan it in update 5. But I hope they prioritize other important stuff first. since there is more stuff that still need to get solved. Such as the known issue list theyr published with 4.
MMS is important for "normal people" and company image. And it is nice to know that is coming "soon" (tm).

Quote:

Also Qt5.2 and more libs allowed on harbour is way more important than MMS because more libs means more apps.
This could be the main reason for delay...

aironeous 2014-03-19 00:00

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
So who's looking forward to tax day?

mariusmssj 2014-03-19 07:09

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
My battery drain seriously increased after the update!!! Am I the only one who noticed this?

strongm 2014-03-19 08:39

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1417540)
Right now I think they better disable feedscreen because right now it just unusable and annoying :(

Not quite sure I'd go as far as to say that it is unusable (although actually mine has been for a month or so because 1.0.3.8 caused it to more-or-less stop working; firtunately back to normal with 1.0.4.20). It is, however, nowhere near as good as on the N9, which is a shame.

bockersjv 2014-03-19 08:48

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1417596)
My battery drain seriously increased after the update!!! Am I the only one who noticed this?

Yes I have noticed this. Am waiting a day or two for things to settle down. I tried a few Android apps which I am sure make things worse. No re-booted the Jolla and fully charging it to see what drain is now in normal use. Currently seeing 60% drain in just under 24hrs.

zlatko 2014-03-19 08:48

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1417596)
My battery drain seriously increased after the update!!! Am I the only one who noticed this?

For me it is too early to say, my battery consumption seems slightly increased, but that can be because now with UI changes I really like to play with my Jolla and show it to people around :)
Also now e-mail sync seem work more or less according to schedule, so in my case it checks 2xIMAP every 5 minutes and 1xExchange always up to date. When previously I doubt if auto sync was done more than 3 times per day.
I will continue monitoring.

Ozymandias 2014-03-19 08:51

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Can't really say I have noticed any drain, but then again, my Jolla usually uses 60-90% in the ~16h of a day.

pycage 2014-03-19 09:01

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1417544)
No but there is rhe notifications screen, which looks like it will be the feed screen and a less than useful lock screen. The lock screen has no date, no customisation and no battery level, I am hoping that gets a major overhaul too.

I just noticed that at least the battery level is now visible on the lock screen if you just tap it shortly. Definitely better than before.

bockersjv 2014-03-19 09:29

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1417624)
I just noticed that at least the battery level is now visible on the lock screen if you just tap it shortly. Definitely better than before.

See what you mean. Is this different than before, I cant remember, I was always used to swiping anyway. Still a wasted screen. Compared with my N9 (and lets forget the low power screen for a moment) and a double tap shows me battery 3g Wifi BT etc, Time and date and then there are notifications with information which can be swiped to get straight to the app.
On my Jolla I have email. That requires swiping two screens, and opening the email app. I am sure Jolla could be smarter.

aegis 2014-03-19 09:43

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Tap to bounce the battery level into view on the lock screen is new. It's in the release notes.

"Bounces the view up when user taps on the lock screen"

Why just display it on the lock screen all the time when you can hide it offscreen behind another gesture eh?! ;)

Larswad 2014-03-19 10:01

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Even if the device now returns to the last used application if it is woken up within a time interval (don't remember number of seconds), the notifications/lock screen could be utilized to have a button or simple widget that is like a shortcut to maximize the last shown application. THAT would be a useful thing to have. It would be much faster than "Swipe down, ehm, where is it now, hmm, there it is, *tap*".

If this is a sort of a "feed screen", then there is hopefully some api for it to be used by the apps. For instance, the media player(s) could scroll the current song/artist name there.

A lot of system properties should be possible to enable short information texts for this screen. For instance, the IP-adress would be nice to have there (but customizable of course, enable/disable option in the "about device" or something like that).
Even applications should be able to have something customizable to be enabled for viewing there. If it is customizable by the user, it won't be cluttered down (unless user want to clutter things down).
Maybe, they could call it an "activity screen" or something like that with certain rules to it so that it doesn't become a cluttered and disorderly android widget screen. It should be part of the whole application concept, so that an application has:

* full screen view
* cover page view
* announcement/information field on "activity screen" (with possibility to turn this on or off per application).

See what I mean?

Then also, if course something should be invented for differentiating left and right swipes, not only for the now called lock screen but also for the applications screen. There could probably be other interesting uses besides choosing the ambience I think.
Why not (optionally) integrating the calendar application on one of those swipes (instead of having it launched as any other application). Alarm stuff could be integrated on such a swipe as well. There are lots of possibilities here that Jolla could embrace, once they get time and their head above the surface (pun intended).

EDIT: There is actually another possibility for this screen that I just came up with, that would fix something that I really miss. If the user on this lock screen would be able to create application groups (or folders), then if one of these groups is selected, let's say for example you click the "media apps" icon. Then the launch screen(s) could then instead get populated with the launcher icons for what that the user has placed under that category. There should be a default 'All' category of course that would make the launcher screen show everything like today.

How about that people? Jolla?

szopin 2014-03-19 10:02

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aegis (Post 1417628)
Tap to bounce the battery level into view on the lock screen is new. It's in the release notes.

"Bounces the view up when user taps on the lock screen"

Why just display it on the lock screen all the time when you can hide it offscreen behind another gesture eh?! ;)

The bounce is a guiding aid showing user there's more down there, don't think it was meant as battery/network glance thingy

Makeclick 2014-03-19 14:57

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
My Jolla is factory reseted and updated.. not much apps downloaded and it says :10,8/13,7Gt used :O wooooot? 1 picture and 1 screenshot :D

Anyone else have this? What i can do?

http://i.imgur.com/E58gaE9.jpg

Ozymandias 2014-03-19 15:11

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1417633)
The bounce is a guiding aid showing user there's more down there

What, in case he forgot that since the last time he had his phone in his hand? ;)

szopin 2014-03-19 15:22

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by Ozymandias (Post 1417690)
What, in case he forgot that since the last time he had his phone in his hand? ;)

Part of lowering the learning curve - same as making the X on closing and pulley indicators more visible, lock displaying on locking by swipe (btw WP has exactly the same bounce when tapping on lockscreen inviting you to swipe it away, jolla has indicator on top of lockscreen probably leading to a bit of confusion if someone never seen it in action before)

sada11 2014-03-19 15:35

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1417596)
My battery drain seriously increased after the update!!! Am I the only one who noticed this?

Same here... :(

one more thing, is anyone notice conversation mail error, or bug?
I replay on mail just one more time correctly. Next time when I do replay ( conversation ) The recipient receives an answer as randomly selected numbers, letters and symbols ... :confused:

szopin 2014-03-19 15:56

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Makeclick (Post 1417687)
My Jolla is factory reseted and updated.. not much apps downloaded and it says :10,8/13,7Gt used :O wooooot? 1 picture and 1 screenshot :D

Anyone else have this? What i can do?

http://i.imgur.com/E58gaE9.jpg

https://together.jolla.com/question/...-storage-left/
most likely the same issue

Dave999 2014-03-19 18:02

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1417705)
You can delete yourself (just like I can delete this post)...

You can't delete this post!

When you delete a post it's not really deleted, its still on server? readable for mods and other strange people?

Makeclick 2014-03-19 19:38

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1417694)

Fist, thank you! I must say.. It is really strange, that Sailfish is take such backup and not delete them when it finish... I get all my data back there also.

They missing some rm command at the end? :D

but still very happy with Ohijärvi :p

szopin 2014-03-19 20:19

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by Makeclick (Post 1417720)
Fist, thank you! I must say.. It is really strange, that Sailfish is take such backup and not delete them when it finish... I get all my data back there also.

They missing some rm command at the end? :D

but still very happy with Ohijärvi :p

Sadly my experience with the latest update is far from it. Mobile data connection keeps turning itself on and I have only LTE unlimited (this also means if I need to travel abroad I will have to revert to trusty n900, roaming charges for data are absurd). Had 3 bugs one after another today, first mobile connection stopped working, airplaining it on/off caused a reboot (green led type) and after that had to play find waldo as all icons got shuffled. Worst of all, 2/3 of first page icons ended up on the last. Rearranging them one by one took quite a while. Might need to revert to 1.0.3.8 if this continues to happen. But fluidity is indeed improved

Makeclick 2014-03-19 22:27

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
No no no... its something else... just backup, factory reset and update it again! I do not have any of those problem, even with the airplane mode, working like a charm. Or try update it again!
Terminal:
Code:

version --dup

szopin 2014-03-19 22:37

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by Makeclick (Post 1417736)
No no no... its something else... just backup, factory reset and update it again! I do not have any of those problem, even with the airplane mode, working like a charm. Or try update it again!

I tried the remove battery for 10 minutes 'trick', while no icon shuffle since then the OS tethering didn't work when I got home, had to revert to tethering app and it worked ok. Still, the mobile data connection switching itself on is a CRITICAL bug, Jolla are endangering their customers into having to pay huge amounts of money if they happen to need to travel abroad with it as main device. This should not have happened. Hopefully the hwkb OH will arrive soon to lift my spirits a bit, the long wait for fixes with the evident bugginess somewhat killed my fanboism

Martinhsl68hw 2014-03-19 22:43

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1417728)
Sadly my experience with the latest update is far from it. Mobile data connection keeps turning itself on and I have only LTE unlimited (this also means if I need to travel abroad I will have to revert to trusty n900, roaming charges for data are absurd). Had 3 bugs one after another today, first mobile connection stopped working, airplaining it on/off caused a reboot (green led type) and after that had to play find waldo as all icons got shuffled. Worst of all, 2/3 of first page icons ended up on the last. Rearranging them one by one took quite a while. Might need to revert to 1.0.3.8 if this continues to happen. But fluidity is indeed improved

I had icon reshuffle on 1.0.3.8....

zamorph 2014-03-19 22:49

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1417740)
Still, the mobile data connection switching itself on is a CRITICAL bug, Jolla are endangering their customers into having to pay huge amounts of money if they happen to need to travel abroad with it as main device.

Definitely agree.

Quote:

Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1417740)
the long wait for fixes with the evident bugginess somewhat killed my fanboism

27 November was actually not that long ago - still not even 4 months - and look how far Jolla and the community have come.

aegis 2014-03-19 22:51

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1417692)
Part of lowering the learning curve - same as making the X on closing and pulley indicators more visible, lock displaying on locking by swipe (btw WP has exactly the same bounce when tapping on lockscreen inviting you to swipe it away, jolla has indicator on top of lockscreen probably leading to a bit of confusion if someone never seen it in action before)

Incidently, the X on closing is a different X than that shown when you long press on the covers to close multiple apps. Along with the glitchy corners on the covers, the UI changes in this release seem a bit rushed.

szopin 2014-03-20 00:14

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aegis (Post 1417745)
Incidently, the X on closing is a different X than that shown when you long press on the covers to close multiple apps. Along with the glitchy corners on the covers, the UI changes in this release seem a bit rushed.

The previous X was just a red X, without taking into account the ambience, now it does and is more pronounced, if that makes it easier for newcomers, sure. Though with blue colour highlight/ambience it is still drowned in my opinion. Hopefully later on there will be an option to revert to the more minimalistic/background silica, not too big fan of the pronounced features myself (and quite a few threads on tjc about it). Eye candy is the least problem now really

mced 2014-03-20 07:00

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1417728)
Sadly my experience with the latest update is far from it. Mobile data connection keeps turning itself on and I have only LTE unlimited (this also means if I need to travel abroad I will have to revert to trusty n900, roaming charges for data are absurd).

Same here. Besides this annoying behavior, battery drains too fast and doesn't show accurate data (woke this morning with 70% and, after some surfing, dropped to 4%). Two random shutdowns, something that never happened before. A "device is getting hot" warning (new too). Bad update for me.

Dave999 2014-03-20 07:34

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Now I think it's time to go with promise of launcher to android and later Sailfish for nexus. According to jolla it's so easy to get it up and running on different hw. Bring it on!

Leinad 2014-03-20 08:01

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1417771)
Now I think it's time to go with promise of launcher to android and later Sailfish for nexus. According to jolla it's so easy to get it up and running on different hw. Bring it on!

why? i would love to see the most annoying bugs fixed and missing features added, before they concentrate on such unimportant things as an android launcher.

Dave999 2014-03-20 08:07

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
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Originally Posted by Leinad (Post 1417774)
why? i would love to see the most annoying bugs fixed and missing features added, before they concentrate on such unimportant things as an android launcher.

The launcher is unimportant, yes. Buy jolla said it would be released before the real deal. So while I don't want to use the launcher I would see it one step closer to Sailfish for android alpha release.

Ozymandias 2014-03-20 08:28

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 
Woke up this morning to find that my wifi didn't work - Jolla couldn't find ANY wifi. My netbook worked fine.
After reboot it has connected again - but my icons were distributed randomly.
This keeps getting better and better -.-


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