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Well, I am sure sales are important. But I hope Jolla has a longer term plan, and for sure they are only part of the plan. And consumer grade software will improve for sure, but it will take quite a bit more time before it is "ready for the masses".

For whatever is worth, the only thing preventing me to use the Jolla as my main phone is the missing wifi sharing option, which apparently is on its way. The rest of the application I cannot do without are already there, working mostly fine. Of course, there is space for improvement.

What I am worried is that the most voted features on TJC have not really good return of investment for Jolla, and as a consequence, for users, long term.

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So Tethering application from Jolla Store is not enough for you?

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What is that by the way? Disheartening to hear still almost nothing about other OEM's/ODM's in a "Sailfish Alliance" (I'll be careful not to evoke earlier grand speak by their 1st CEO).

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Do you refer to Wi-Fi tethering? - there is very well working application in store("Tethering").
Even IIRC this application serves as the core for in OS tethering implementation in upcoming 1.0.4.x release.

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There are reasons why he is not CEO anymore and one of those was what he spoke.

He was thinking too much like an engineer that these are programmable devices and anything is possible in theory. Whatever journalists where asking from him was always possible in theory and journalist wrote that as promised fact or feature.

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Yeah I agree, maps for Jolla is something just thrown there. When I might have any need for maps, I just pick my Lumia or iPhone.

Can they? As far as Finland goes I get a lot of questions about Jolla. So people at least know the thing. That said my Jolla is the only one I have ever seen. Jolla has not been on DNA's top 10 sales list on January or February.

I always thought China was the actual market that would bring the revenue they needed for Jolla phone, outside of licensing the OS. It was the first market that got distributor announced. So at least to me it is still very worrying that the deal apparently fell flat.

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Yeah, I know....

That's probably a large factor, but he also said at least 1-2 outright silly things that can't be put down to misquotes.
Anyway, I'm sure all of us are more interested in this...

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That is progressing well, as fas I have heard from my sources. Sailfish Beta really has not been something any other manyfacturer would get into their phones, yet. System need to be more polished and more rubust. What comes to individual applications like maps and such may and will change a lot on different markets. Current HERE is there, but it won't be the last word we will hear.

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Take a step back and tell me what you see:

http://nokiamob.me/wp-content/upload...Jolla-CEOs.jpg

I see evolution. CEO BETA. CEO 1.0. CEO 1.1[HOTFIX]...

Same here:
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3650...1-29_1306o.jpg

and here:
http://s18.postimg.org/jv3dfsi8p/batman_legacy.jpg

Evolution and change is Great!

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I hope so, so far Ubuntu seems to have "more runs on the board" in terms of getting 3rd parties involved, & it's even less "polished" than Sailfish.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/...manufacturers/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/...untu-handsets/

FFOS is doing even better than Ubuntu in that respect, although it can't really be compared to Sailfish/Tizen/Ubuntu, far less capable etc.
When it comes to hand-helds, Tizen no longer seems to be interested in getting 3rd parties on-board, for now...
But Samsung will make it far more visible to potential hand-held partners with the arrival of it's Gear wearables that use Tizen instead of Android.

Not wanting to talk things down, but assuming there's been competitive progress*, some "light thrown on this subject" by Jolla is overdue.

*I dare not think the worst

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At first glance, Dave, I thought it was your famous phone line-up collecting dust. But, it isn't, what a pity!

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I wish!
I dont have the old ones from 1963. My phones are famous?

Did you also thought jolla CEO is the new batman at first glance?

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To be honest, at this point I don't think ANY CEO exists. Whatever job he might do, it is just intangible to Jolla user-base. For this kind of jobs we need kinda Jobs, to brainwash people.

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The truth is if we do not help them now, then they will never make it, and we will never get the device that we want. The phone is not perfect, but the OS has a good potential, and they are in a critical path right now.

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That's what I want to say.:D

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I have sympathy with your position. Jolla are totally ignoring my region too. However, due to my rational thought and not-so-rational feelings about what Jolla are trying to accomplish - and the lack of an alternative "next device" after my N9 - I overcame my sense of disappointment about Canada being ignored and am now firmly locked in a love/hate relationship with my Jolla device, and waiting for the update(s).

€400 is a lot of money, but if we put that to one side for a moment...

You're in the same boat as me. Jolla aren't going to be showing interest in Australia. You can be fairly certain that a Jolla popup store isn't suddenly going to appear on Pitt St or at the Bourke St Mall, so what would it take to persuade you to buy the device?

As others have noted: if we don't support them now, who will? Why even show interest at all?

Sincere question.

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Impatient obvservation: it's Wednesday, and while I am currently struggling with my first coffee and deciding what work I will accomplish today, it is already after lunchtime in Finland. That means that it is no longer "early this week", so those rumours we saw last week about the 1.0.4.x update coming "early next week" didn't pan out.

I suppose it's called the bleeding edge for a reason: I keep veering between "this OS is so elegant - I can't go back to buttons!" and "what the hell is wrong with the damn thing now?"

Latest adventure: intermittent failure of swipe-from-side to take me back to the running apps view. Issue persists across reboots, but not yet sure what triggers it. For a workaround, I have to press power button to turn screen off, press again to turn on (double tap also not worklng at that point?) and then swipe down from the lock screen. Reboot seems to fix it, but then it comes back (something to do with the browser, I think, but still figuring it out). Gnaargh.

Yes, I know what my previous post was about, and admittedly this last paragraph was hardly a sales pitch for the Jolla, but hey - it's a "love/hate relationship", remember? ;)

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At one time I could trace the failure of the side-swipe to the wifi-connection. When I turned Wifi off, the swipe started working again. (That was before I started to turn Wifi off every time I leave the house.)

It might be something completely different that causes this, but that one time it seemed like it was because of the Wifi connection going haywire.

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Oh, fun fact: Today my Jolla suddenly decided to work really well... When I activated Wifi a couple of hours back (had forgotten to turn it back on when coming home yesterday) it gave me some notifications, and now it always gives me the facebook notifications and messages (from the android app) as soon as I see them on my PC. Before, it sometimes took hours to get the notifications.

Oh well... always something new ;)

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I feel your pain. I spat out my dummy a few pages back when the update moved to this week when all inference was that it would be in the first week of March. I had a rant because I care, and my Jolla stopped being useful as a phone when connection errors dominated my screen. I was told to "man up" and accused of "knowing nothing about software development". I am no developer but have managed many IT and Mobile projects and one key project management essential is to manage your users/customers expectations.

Yes it seems churlish to complain about a delay when we all know how big Jolla is. But I want it to succeed and I have plenty of people in my office (IT) interested in my Jolla, telling them a new update is coming soon is just embarrassing when it is now, admitedly in my eyes, nearly 3 weeks late.

Another thing is releasing updates on a Friday, that is, and always has been a big no no in IT companies i have and do work for.

I do all this whilst trying to ignore and forget that I still have a crack in my screen and the bill to fix it is more than a 2nd hand Jolla :(

Currently using my N9 as daily phone along with N900 for work and they are both so slow in comparison to my working Jolla. I want it working again!

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I don't recall reading that the update was going to be "early" this week, just this week. I won't search in twitter as I may crash it ;-)

As to questions about why would we support Jolla: well, in my case I live in a "supported" country (the best supported country is Finland so far, maybe Portugal soon), but I can still say that you kind of support these movements now or never. There are 3 main new things that came out recently: FF OS, Ubuntu Touch, Sailfish - I like the latter the most, hence I support it. Then again, 400€ won't put me in a financial problem right now.

Yes, I didn't say Tizen as they already have tons of funding behind them, so it doesn't really count. You can support that one when it's fully matured, if it ever does. Samsung has lots of money for not doing things properly for decades and continuing not doing so, so there you go ;-)

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This is definitely related, thought wifi+4g, but then had once more switching from 3g to wlan, not 100% reproducible though

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Well, if it makes you feel better, I just found out that I will not get my Jolla phone until April 14 as my Swiss friend's travel plans have changed (He was supposed to visit me next week..) So maybe I should be happy as I will be postponing the lamenting about all the problems with having Jolla in US. Anyways, I was wondering. Assuming you are in Toronto Canada and are on Bell did you try Radio Switcher for Jolla. You might have right frequency to get LTE.

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Yep, I can relate to this. I work in technology. I write code, among other things. I have demanding clients, and stuff not working can mean some serious earache. Of course, it's not the same setup - we here are consumers/hobbyists, not large corporations. However, management of expectations is critical to keeping people happy.

I take the liberty of assigning a very low value to any rant along the lines of "you know nothing of development!" prompted just by raising concerns & disappointment about late delivery or other issues which affect the product user. Stuff is late now and again - it happens - but it is certainly a valid reason for a client to be disappointed, doubly so if communication is poor.


Yep, I feel that too, but I also still have faith, and my buyer's remorse is far outweighed by my excitement (still) at what we have already and what the future could hold.

Yes. We prefer to release croitical stuff on Wednesday night for Thursday morning - partly so there's time to address complaints before they fester over the weekend, and partly because Thursday is the traditional socialising (i.e. drinking) night in this marketplace (although I generally prefer to go home and sleep... unless someone else is paying for the beer ;) ) so it's a chance to meet clients in a less formal environment to discuss issues, if that's something that would help.

Of course: Jolla's clients are hobbyists and mournful Finns, so this doesn't necessarily apply to them.

Ouch. I live in daily dread of dropping my too-damn-slippery Jolla. I think my ideal Other Half would have a big extra battery capability and a nice-feeling, grippy surface.

Seems we are in a similar position: I'm on the verge of going back to my N9, but I know I will be sad to stop using all the things I love about Sailfish...

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Frustrating to wait, but perhaps better to save your Jolla for after the next update, and save your sanity? :o

Thanks! You assume correctly that I'm in Canada. I know there's more than one Toronto, but the Ontario version is the only one I'm interested in being a resident of. I'm not on Bell, but Fido (i.e. Rogers). I've actually left Wind (a budget carrier using UMTS) in order to get my Jolla on the network, which is costing me 3 beers' worth of Canadian $ each month.

I tried the radio switcher, and sure enough I get '4G', but the internet doesn't work. To be quite honest, I haven't mustered the energy to go looking into why that is yet. My understanding is that Rogers uses the same 2600MHz as Bell, and I get the '4G' so presumably it's simply a config issue somewhere rather than a radio problem.

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Fits fine it seems

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It's crazy (and depressing) that this is even a possibility, let alone a likely explanation. My Q to Jolla would be: what the holy hell does WiFi have to do with the side-swipe? And yet... your results with switching off WiFi speak for themselves.

I'll try switching off WiFi and report back.

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Obviously there was a reason why Nokia never announced update dates. Software can always get delayed. Anyway, the update should be worth the wait and I'd rather have a smooth update than a bricked device.

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To answer your question, your homescreen has to know about WiFi state to be able to present you with information about it. That's why they're related.

As to why this is problematic, well, there's a combination of a few things going on. (YMMV, I'm summarising things from memory and I didn't actively work on this much myself)

Problem number one is that connectivity is a little more resource intensive than it needs to be right now. That's already fixed in the pending update. Problem number two is that peeking toggles the connection indicators on the homescreen, which causes a cascade of effects to mess around with touch interaction:

- peeking toggles the connection indicator on the homescreen
- this causes a bunch of synchronous dbus traffic, and disk writes
- this blocks the GUI thread of the homescreen for a little too long
- this causes evdev's kernel-side ring buffer to overflow, causing touch state to get lost in an undefined, bad place when the GUI thread finally does resume.

The situation should be improving with (near) future updates.

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

Wasn't this update scheduled for 14th. Its not 14th yet so sit tight or create a countdown.

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There is lot of anticipation about the new update. I would prefer to have the update whenever is ready rather than having a buggy release. Those who develop s/w know this very well.

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like you had a choice ;)

i heard that reason so many times it will never be ready. Just release once a week.

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Wow!

Consider me suitably grateful/impressed for this timely, information-packed and highly useful response. Thank you very much, w00t!

Having a basic understanding of why this happening makes it much, much easier to accept that it is happening, even if I'm still in the same position of waiting for the (pending) update.

Again: thank you. You've topped up my faith & hope :cool:

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@Dave999
I know I do not have a choice, but equally so this discussion goes to the other end. I wish Jolla was providing a little more info about the state of the update.

Once a week is too often, I prefer once a month or so, but this particular one going from beta to stable is has something extra ;-)

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Valid point, but be sure not to confuse developer bug-squashing reality with consumer usability concern anxiety reality. They are two different and conflicting realities, and both must be taken into consideration at all times. I'm not saying "rush the update", but I am saying "feed info to those who are anxiously waiting"...

...which w00t just did. If I wore a hat, I would tip it to him & Jolla right about now.

I will now go back to [more patiently] waiting for the update.

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I hear You But I dont understand what you aiming for. Beta is just a name nothing that indicate anything. Manage your expectation...

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LOL no one would beleive that would happen. Qualcom listen to a small startup is like saying world peace is coming soon :rolleyes:

Especially Microsoft and Google would love the idea "Hey, qualcom thanks for supporting Jolla and open source movement even if we support your SoC in our closed source OS:es" NOT

Now back to reality...

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Yes you need IRQ but there already is plenty of them on the SoC ;)

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Sidetracking a bit, Broadcom already started doing that with the Raspi and other systems. Hope they all follow suite (or politiicians force them). Funny how ARM is an "open" architecture and yet everything else is closed, while Intel provides open source drivers for their systems.

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Drivers are overrated...focus on sail release 1.o plz?