Good news for my N9
 

Sad news for Jolla

I will be leaving SailfishOS and get back to Harmattan/N9

https://together.jolla.com/question/...#post-id-48632

Is a brilliant example of how Jolla secured their devices on behalf of customers ability to play with their open device

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Welcome back :D Never liked Jolla and now I know why... Just as locked as androids

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No, worse, I can recover any Android device.
Jolla delibaretly choosed to lock the bootloader, and at the same time stating this voids all warranty.
Well, they got the last of my money. Ever!

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Ooh.. I thought that jolla could (with much of imagination) be the next n900!
And of course more open than the android, but it is obvious that what everyone expected from this phone is kind of lost!

I mean there were so many expectations for this phone and the last months I always read about closed sources and stuff!

Let's hope that they will understand why everyone(especially in here) chose jolla instead of android!

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nobody ever said unlocking your boot loader will void your warrenty. i think the issue is more that theres no way to completely reflash tje device

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If the bootloader was not locked, I would have recovered by now, believe me. Unfortunately, the updates does not check if bootloader have been unlocked, and then keep it this way.
Instead, it is re-locked and if you are not able to boot to the recovery (like my case) You are not able to unlock it again.

1) Not being able to enter the recovery
2) And, not having an unlocked bootloader
3) result = not being able to restore device

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Good sense for drama but what about just sending it back to Jolla care after complaining your phone does not boot anymore?

I have been sending mine x times and waited in total more than one month during shipping.

If Jolla would be non supporting you can always argue your contributions were worth more than a flash rom. ;)

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LOL, I have already a statement saying "going from 1.0.0.5 directly to 1.0.7.16 is not the proper way", so there you go. As expected.
What makes me wonder, why is it then that the device actually tells you an update to 1.0.7.18 (in my case, yes, not 1.0.7.16) is available to install?

Anyways. I lost some €400 + case and kiera black, another €50 or so (I dont care about that I gave what I consider donation for toholed, thats a benefit).

Oh well, you live and learn. But I am so far disappointed, not only for my self, but for all the other - how many ? that WILL end up in a similar situation with their devices.

I know what I am doing (mostly), I have a dump of the NAND, I (had) and unlocked bootloader, I HAVE recovered from boot-loops multiple times.

But, not without recovery partition and def. not with locked boot loader.

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Maybe you have explained too much to customer care.

You are a technical person but I think in this case you should hold back and just send it for "not starting correctly, me know nothing".

I also like to know what is your minimal contribution cost in this case to have it "repaired".

Anyway I understand your regret about the bootloader as well as your reaction. Good luck!

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system wont ask you to update from 1.0.0.5 to 1.0.7.16 directly. It will install 1.0.2.5 first, then 1.0.4.20, and then 1.0.7.16.

I'm not saying it only your fault. It's bot your and Jolla fault.

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LOL thats the response, but honestly, You should know me better coderus.
First of all, I would not be giving the FULL story BEFORE contacting care if this WAS the case. !
Secondly, this IS a warning that this might (read WILL) happen to probably ALL devices out there now.

Let me add, that this was the response from stskeeps - but, let me also add stskeeps is the only one from Jolla so far who have paid attention, and is trying to aid this issue !!!

Am I happy, no!
Am I disappointed, yes!
Am I angry, yes, because this is a serious matter for every daily user of this device. If they loose the recovery they are screwed!.

Mind you, the device WAS able to boot into recovery before I went to sleep with my children.

Then, I turned it off, and the following day, turned it on - trying to start a dd recovery from my image of the NAND, like I have done so many times before.

Only, somhow during that time, being left off, until the morning when I wanted to enter recovery, it seems (so far) that the recovery partition got fu.. up, most likely the file system got shred!

I am not saying I may not have some of the 'quilt' here, but there were options for Jolla that would have prevented this.

Initially the Bootloader was unlockable by fastboot. They decided to not enable unlock option from fastboot.
This have disabled the only option left in my case, a fastboot boot boot.img to start a recovery shell and recover the device.

Thus, not allowing an unlocked bootloader is a really f... up situation for someone like me, that does changes to the core system.

So, I repeat, this is a farewell Jolla. As I will not pay 1) for repair 2) definately never ever a device like this again!

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Never say never :)

Hope you had fun using it ...

Any chance you get involved into sailfish/silica hacks on harmattan devices or android ones ?

Because I am wondering where harmattan is going now , having something connected to jolla or other meego related project ;)

it would make sense from a community point of view too...

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"fastboot boot boot.img" should work if you had triggered unlocked bit from rescue menu. But yes, recovery would be really hard if that bit has not been set.

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My bootloader was unlocked, and I keep a dd image of all partitions. However, the bootloader is re-locked after the faulty update. So, .....
No recovey
A locked bootloader
= no way out

As I stated from the very beginning when Jolla decided this 'security feature'

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Afaik, unlocked bit is never cleared during updates, but you might have downgraded bootloader version to old version which ignored the unlocked bit.

In hindsight doing factory reset should always be avoided, without factory reset you would have been in bootloader which honours unlocked bit, and you could have dd'ed your backups back to device.

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Probably not, I dont really like sailfish at the moment.
Most likely I will try another route to free our N9 from Nokia/Aegis, but keep harmattan, which I actually like

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I rest my case!
And repeat myself, this is terrible design.

And yet, it is so easy to avoid any warranty questions, despite the fact that this is a device fault.

1) the recovery did work before I turned the device off and went to sleep, with intention of dd recovering next day.
2) next day when turning on, nope, no recovery

I believe that this may be due to the battery drained somehow during night. But it seems impossible to charge it (tried leaving it on fastboot for a day in wall charger).
I cant get a spare battery. So I cant be sure of this.

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These are great btw http://www.ebay.ie/itm/300941587655

Universal external battery chargers, that work also with Jolla batteries.

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There wont be any another device like N900.

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would be really sad for the community. You've really brought out many great tools for us.
But I can understand you. Harmattan was / is great .... But the hardware (camera, battery, voice quality) is ****.

send the smartphone and get a repaired back. Then you know what you have to do :)

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[OT]
And this one is even cheaper and delivers to Germany!
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On trouble with phone factory reset should be avoided? Maybe factory reset should be able to fix everything and reset? (with bootloader unlocked by default)
And don't start that lock is got our good and privacy, let us decide what is good for us and for our privacy. It sounds little bit of hypocritical like "enforcing freedom" :/

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sure your right, but if there was a external way to flash Jolla through the pc, wouldn't that realistically fix the issue your having? Just like the N9, and N900 you could flash them through a command line. so if you could reflash your Jolla you could reflash the recovery partition. I still maintain a clean way to flash through the pc would be best.

also, why don't you just send off your device to jolla care to be reflashed? and you can avoid this issue next time? it seems you just don't want to take the lines of support in favor of "i can do it myself cause I know better".

I get you wanted an open device you could do whatever with, but clearly this isn't the case here, so either keep hold of a 400 euro paper weight, or atleast get it repaired and sell it on.

lastly, you decided to downgrade a phone that most likely would break on downgrade? I mean come on, your clearly a smart guy, so why this move??

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Why dont I want to send the phone to Care?
Firstly, because of this happening to me, the smart guy ;), discovering how bad things can go, on no way to restore a decent base firmware, without this risk, I really need to make a decision - do I want to spend more money on a device that is as is? My decision- No, not even shipping to Finland.
Is it my fault? partly, but - if a full image could be restored, that would be different. Howrver, the design involves an easily destroyed Bootloader (which is even not the case here, except for it 'magically' being relocked! how? I dont know, even Jolla says this shouldnt happen.

I dont get the "nost likely would break on downgrade"
Where is that stated? anywhere - except for announcements after my incident?
I did btw this downgrade before.
Why did I downgrade ?
Because I was on a 1.0.7.16 fresh update where the sailfish-browser would crash as uset and only start as root!
How did that happen?
No freaking clue, this was a fresh update, and also tried removing and installing sailfish-browser (and sailfish-browser-settings, since the issue seemed related to user unable to read settings, from output shown in terminal)

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thanks guys, I will order one of these, my issue might be because of dead battery from what I see so far
I left battery out over night, and a sliight improvement is that vol-down +power without cable now shows it needs battery power - shuts down with the power symbol.
Now, I will leave it for a day in fastboot mode and see if it will charge, then remove battery again for some hours to try and get that recovery boot.

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Actually your one was much more expensive, at least for Finland, as my link had free postage and your link didnt have.

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Ah maybe. It is German ebay [but stated to ship worldwide].
I did not have to pay shipping at all, so much less for me :D
(needed to find another seller as yours do not deliver to Germany)
OT end.

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Well, ordered so I will have it it seems in ~ a week...
Price to DK was fair, including shipping ~5.13 Euro

Thanks again guys

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Fair enough, I agree with the fact a flashable image is needed, but thats more due to the fact Jolla can't distribute the qualcomm binaries.

Break things not with a Jolla, but usually things in general break after downgrading, or atleast in my experience they have.

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Thanks again,
I recieved this charger today.
It wirks great, easy adjustable for different batterytypes (pins that connect to battery can be individually moved to fit battery, and the grip that holds battery slides to the right with a spring. It holk ds the battery quite firm in place, and the pins connecting to the battery arr also pulled inwards by the battery (like springs).
The LCD shows a charging battery, but (probably) not when battery is fully charged. But it serves to show that the battery is connected, and charging.
It also holds a USB port - didnt use that though.
The powerplug was US style, with an adapter plug that fits nicely on to supply eg EU type current.

Oh, and it worked wonderful, my Jolla is now updating once more from a factory restore in recovery mode!

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I also noticed that Jolla booted itself when inserting battery < 20%, and i was not able to get in recovery mode.
With fresh battery i managed to get in recovery console.
(was in bootloop due failed update)

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yes, Jolla could have avoided my drama, had they offered (even purchase) a new battery,

I do really hope that will come to store ASAP.

Until then, I recommend that charger. It is cheap and shipping from that supplier went painless - shipping within 1 day from my order was placed, faster to the edge than Jolla arranging a pickup (which I then didnt have to use)

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any news of porting Sailfish to N9?

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??
Sailfish is running on my N9 months
check

wiki.maemo.org/Sailfish

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as for more recent versions, NO as is, kernel needs a major update, which work is a bit stalled.
I hope progress will be made, but it seems less likely to happen at the moment.
Since a lot of binary blobs (no source code) is preventing all drivers etc from working on a 3.x kernel.
Still, depending on the devs, it is possible. But it is hard work trying to get a 3.x kernel fully functional as these sources are missing, and at best work can be "stolen" from eg (sorry) Android, where more recent binaries may be successfully grabbed.
Why then. do I consider this likely to not happen?
Well, allthough binaries for other platforms may exist, some dependencies needs to be solved -which solely can be solced by reversing some Nokia propriatary code (which again may cause legal issues)
So, My humble opinion. It aint gonna happen anytime soon.
But, I hope we will end up with a CSSU style firmware for N9, Sailfish, or Harmattan, or, even better, something completely different, Which is also why I decided to sponsor a N9 and N900.