maemo.org - Talk - Update 1.0.9.n this week?

i also have the feeling, that it's better after the update, that's why i looked up this bug ;)

sometimes the offset is really big and annoying and sometimes there is no offset for a while, so when we both have no offset after updating, maybe it's because of the reboot that followed the update?

maybe it gets worse over time and can be reset be a reboot?

i will keep an eye on that...

vistaus

2014-10-06 19:35

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

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Originally Posted by bluefoot (Post 1442097)

I have. What you say rather confirms what I was thinking. I just hope there will be some major improvements by year end. Even if not for current or prospective users, Sailfish is still in dire need of UX and feature upgrades by MWC in early March ... otherwise I can't see too much business coming their way. Also, if they don't make the rather vapid "H2" commitment for paid apps, and remove most of the existing restrictions, things aren't looking great.

Too bad you're wrong because Jolla is currrently in talks with a few phone manufactuers. So business is coming their way despite the 'lack of UX upgrades'.

m4r0v3r

2014-10-06 19:43

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

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Originally Posted by vistaus (Post 1442121)

Too bad you're wrong because Jolla is currrently in talks with a few phone manufactuers. So business is coming their way despite the 'lack of UX upgrades'.

source?

10ch

dirkvl

2014-10-06 19:48

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

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Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1442123)

source?

10ch

#googlethatshit

http://www.jollausers.com/2014/09/vi...n-sailfish-os/

bluefoot

2014-10-06 20:29

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

Don't see how Jolla saying that third parties are 'interested' negates any of what I said. FYI, they said the same thing 2 years ago. They're 3 years old now and don't yet have a partnership, which tends to suggest that either 3rd parties are taking a wait and see approach or aren't currently interested. Until they announce deals with third party OEMs or licensing, talking to people doesn't mean much.

Anyway, MWC is the biggest time of the year for almost any mobile phone company, and if Jolla can't show any significant progress in basic UX and features (what matters the most to end users) in the last year, then they'll have a very tough time striking many deals. MWC is particularly important for Jolla, as they aren't intending to enter the North American market for some time and have limited or no presence at other trade shows, and don't have the resources to fly journalists and important industry figures out to bombastic press events of their own. Once a year they have a captive audience of almost all the major carriers, OEMs and journalists ... if they miss goals for this year, then they won't get a chance like it again until the spring of '16. It's vital both in terms of press & exposure and meeting prospective clients, and absolutely fundamental to their success.

vistaus

2014-10-06 20:41

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

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Originally Posted by bluefoot (Post 1442131)

MWC is particularly important for Jolla, as they aren't intending to enter the North American market for some time and have limited or no presence at other trade shows ... both in terms of press & exposure and meeting prospective clients, it's fundamental to their success.

There's no denying that. But given the fact Jolla houses talents from Nokia (I mean: they used to work there) I'm pretty sure they're not stupid. Nokia was a giant player in the market so Jolla has the knowledge of how to present themselves at least. Their current approach might not be in the footsteps of that knowledge, but the fact that they have that knowledge will serve them in in the long run. It would've been waaaaay harder had they all started from scratch.

jimmy neutron

2014-10-06 23:53

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

Hi guys..

it's unbelievable but I'm having trouble wheeling this one in (the update)
i have disabled my repos
removed patches
rebooted serval times...
it's downloading the update but when i try to install the update it shows me the installation bar but it stops after just seconds and then reboots...
After reboot i go through same process so update won't install..

Am i missing something here ? Thanks in advance
PS i have clamav installed wich i,m having a hard time removing..(tried almost everything) could that be the “problem"

Kind Regards J Neutron...

juiceme

2014-10-07 05:08

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

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Originally Posted by coderus (Post 1442112)

@aegis no you wrong. what updated in 1.0.8.21: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8509489/

@coderus, how do you get the list of pending updates?
That looks like output of some zypper command but I cannot find what it is?

JulmaHerra

2014-10-07 05:37

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluefoot (Post 1442131)

Quote:

Anyway, MWC is the biggest time of the year for almost any mobile phone company, and if Jolla can't show any significant progress in basic UX and features (what matters the most to end users) in the last year, then they'll have a very tough time striking many deals.

Basic UX has matured a lot over time. However, if you mean by those features that they would need to change the whole UI paradigm to something else, then no, that won't happen. There are many improvements and features in pipeline, but it won't happen in one or two months. IMO it seems like the monthly update release cycle has somehow been interpreted as if everything should happen at once and if [insert some feature here] is missing from next update, or is some big update is late by couple of weeks, it's the end of everything and there is "no progress in anything" and "it's all talk".

Dave999

2014-10-07 06:05

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

so updat 9 still pending(october) or was this october and next update tergets november?

Larswad

2014-10-07 06:24

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

I hope the browser miss-click-thingy will be fixed. As it is now, the browser is hardly usable. It offsets the link click positions very frequently. Tired of flipping between portrait and landscape all the time.
Wifi and +3g still has a lot of sudden dropouts.
Tired of too many useability problems, they better release something more stable this time or I'll start loosing faith. Before ANY features are introduced, the bugs they have now must be fixed.

pichlo

2014-10-07 06:31

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

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Originally Posted by Larswad (Post 1442175)

Before ANY features are introduced, the bugs they have now must be fixed.

You would think so, wouldn't you? However, I have worked at a number of corporations and I can tell you, the management never thinks that way.

Makeclick

2014-10-07 06:32

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

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Originally Posted by jimmy neutron (Post 1442162)

in terminal:

Code:

pkcon refresh

Jeffrey04

2014-10-07 06:42

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larswad (Post 1442175)

it usually happens when you try tapping right after zooming in. At least that's what appears to happen in my case. What I do is that, I wait until the page is re-rendered properly (the text will look more crisp instead of blurry) before tapping the link I wanted.

cvp	2014-10-07 08:26

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@jeff, yeah i do this to, but ofthen there click wrong link. I mean this is not good, i hate the browser... waiting until all is clear to read THEN i can click it... take much time :( hope the next update will fix it

jimmy neutron

2014-10-07 08:30

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makeclick (Post 1442178)

in terminal:

Code:

pkcon refresh

Hi
This doesn''t do the trick either... any other suggestions?

eekkelund

2014-10-07 08:34

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

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Originally Posted by jimmy neutron (Post 1442186)

Hi
This doesn''t do the trick either... any other suggestions?

For me neither. Someone in together.jolla.com said that this helped https://together.jolla.com/question/...-storage-left/
But for me this didnt help either..

Makeclick

2014-10-07 08:39

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy neutron (Post 1442186)

Hi
This doesn''t do the trick either... any other suggestions?

ok.. maybe:

Code:

pkcon update

i did update and refresh and it is ok now. remember to reboot. hope it solved the issue.

Jeffrey04

2014-10-07 08:45

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

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Originally Posted by cvp (Post 1442185)

don't look like a bug, but a performance issue to me, partly due to the fairly limited resource IMHO :S

NokiaFanatic

2014-10-07 08:47

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

Don't know why Jolla are falling into the same mistake as Nokia did by trying to write their own browser. They will always be playing catch up.

aegis

2014-10-07 08:57

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey04 (Post 1442191)

don't look like a bug, but a performance issue to me, partly due to the fairly limited resource IMHO :S

Looks like a bug to me as you can force a quick de-blur after you zoom by just moving the page forcing a re-render of the text. It's now second nature for me to zoom then pan.

aegis

2014-10-07 09:03

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

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Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1442192)

Don't know why Jolla are falling into the same mistake as Nokia did by trying to write their own browser. They will always be playing catch up.

They aren't. They use Gecko from Mozilla for the browser engine wrapped in their own UI. It's not like the Symbian browser days when Nokia maintained their own S60 fork of Webkit.

Browser sources are here btw...

https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser

coderus

2014-10-07 09:39

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

@juiceme it's zypper listupdates :)
@jimmy neutron in terminal:
ssu re 1.0.8.21
version --dup

juiceme

2014-10-07 10:13

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

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Originally Posted by coderus (Post 1442198)

@juiceme it's zypper listupdates :)

I thought so, but...

Code:

[root@Jolla nemo]# 

[root@Jolla nemo]# zypper list-updates

Loading repository data...

Reading installed packages...

No updates found.

[root@Jolla nemo]#

bockersjv

2014-10-07 10:24

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

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Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1441087)

Well it's 8,9 &10 to be more accurate. So what is the bet for release date. I'm going for 24th October.

My 24th Oct date is still looking good.

Come on folks choose your numbers and place your bets :)

cvp	2014-10-07 10:28

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hope 17.10, before my bday :)

coderus

2014-10-07 10:57

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

@juiceme you should do it before update :)
ssu re 1.0.8.21
zypper ref
zypper lu

vistaus

2014-10-07 11:13

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

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Originally Posted by JulmaHerra (Post 1442172)

Most likely those OEMs are looking how SailfishOS is developing and maturing. So far pace has been pretty fast. However, there are several critical components missing, like limitations in Jolla store, native mapping/navigation software etc. Those need to be ironed out before OEM's will make big investments. Also, those OEMs are not like Jolla, it will take them a lot of time to release finalized product, so even if such partnerships were to be finalized, let's say, in November, it will be at least July 2015 before products roll out to customers.

Basic UX has matured a lot over time. However, if you mean by those features that they would need to change the whole UI paradigm to something else, then no, that won't happen. There are many improvements and features in pipeline, but it won't happen in one or two months. IMO it seems like the monthly update release cycle has somehow been interpreted as if everything should happen at once and if [insert some feature here] is missing from next update, or is some big update is late by couple of weeks, it's the end of everything and there is "no progress in anything" and "it's all talk".

Actually, native navigation software is available just not by Jolla but in Warehouse (modRana and Poor Maps).

vistaus

2014-10-07 11:15

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

Quote:

Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1442192)

Don't know why Jolla are falling into the same mistake as Nokia did by trying to write their own browser. They will always be playing catch up.

But what else could they do? If they ship an existing browser, then it's not a native browser. If they have to port that browser, then it's as much effort as writing their own. Unless they'd pay lleclectronics to ship Webcat by default (which I wouldn't mind at all, Webcat rules!).

juiceme

2014-10-07 11:25

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

Quote:

Originally Posted by coderus (Post 1442205)

@juiceme you should do it before update :)
ssu re 1.0.8.21
zypper ref
zypper lu

ah, I have only done "zypper ref", I did not set the new release by ssu.
(and I have of course not updated yet, I wanted to see this difference in my device before updating... :D)

Zoloo

2014-10-09 02:01

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

Where is damn Sailfish Uitukka???????? LIER COMPANY, Worse customer care!!!

vistaus

2014-10-09 20:38

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

I don't know how they can be a "liar company" if they announced that the update was delayed... there's not much more truth than that, they have clearly announced it.

Dave999

2014-10-09 20:43

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoloo (Post 1442382)

Where is damn Sailfish Uitukka???????? LIER COMPANY, Worse customer care!!!

uuuUitukka?

szopin

2014-10-09 20:48

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

Quote:

Originally Posted by vistaus (Post 1442484)

I don't know how they can be a "liar company" if they announced that the update was delayed... there's not much more truth than that, they have clearly announced it.

Just ignore him (new account - check, hatespewing - check, filip off his meds again)

vistaus

2014-10-09 20:49

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

Quote:

Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1442488)

Just ignore him (new account)

You're right, I now see it.

Zoloo

2014-10-10 06:51

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

yes i am new member. i just need to know When?:confused:

vistaus

2014-10-11 09:30

Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoloo (Post 1442529)

yes i am new member. i just need to know When?:confused:

See? *That's* a better way to word your post. Now that you've responded nicely and w/o the unfounded accusastions, you'll get your answer ;)
Jolla has said late last week that they need a few more weeks to make sure the update is as stable as possible, so if all goes well, I'd expect it b/w now and 1,5 weeks.

strongm

2014-10-11 10:57

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> said late last week that they need a few more weeks

Really? Where? The only post of theirs that I am aware of that stated that they needed a few more weeks was posted back in September and also said that the release was still intended to be in September. Later posts, at the beginning of October, merely said that it was delayed and then that it was being merged with release 10, but have given no timetable.

zlatko

2014-10-11 11:37

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@strongm
There was never mentioned a merge between updates 9 and 10. Just that Jolla was testing 10th RC for Update 9.
"Update on 30.9: We are at our 10th release candidate right now (internally) and still see some sharp edges."
And yes - no timetable given, just "We need a bit more time to smoothen them(the sharp edges) out"

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