What can community do to help jolla?
 

Title says it all, as pichlo put it, it does seem there is not enough sales (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...7&postcount=21), there are old timers developers quitting (sure, other reasons), but it seems there is just not enough interest. Now sure pr campaign sounds nice but most tmoers aren't guys with 50k followers, so that is not gonna happen. We can buy OHs and another phone (though with the current discount no idea if jolla.makes any profit on those or just hopes to hit numbers for other deals), google keeps tight grip on manufacturers with its android alliance. One thing that will definitely help is great OH keyboard, there are thousands of android geeks longing for hwkbd, so when dirk finishes there should be a noticeable jump (android apps work and for the hackers it is even more open both in firmware and in open collaboration). What can we do? (one thing I noticed is when teeeting filiitbijbo(?), guy who ports games to linux for living (now that linux is bonus for steam) he was very interested hearing about wayland, maybe reaching out to such guys?)

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Just to point out few things I'm afraid won't work:

emailing your phone company - 50-100 emails are unlikely to convince them (see gamergate with thousands of emails sent out, intel/mercedes/nissan is all they achieved so far, not to diminish it, but we have much lowrr numbers)
retweets/fb retweets or whatever it's called - again, we don't have guys that are 'popular'

Maybe getting a fundraiser going to reveng wifi? Pentesting community is some 50k sold devices right there since nokia no longer supports n900


edit: and worst part, linux guys, who originally dismissed android as a java ******** by now are accustommed to it, they learned how to tweak/work around it, this seems like the worst loss, nobody cares for proper linux phone it seems ):
then again, android L is for lockdown (as per high visibility thread on xda) maybe as google gets even greedier hadk/android compatibility can kick in... i hope

edit2: not sure if everyone noticed but hadk thing is based work, even if jolla does not manage they made their work immortal, anyone can go out and port sfos on any future device (assuming android lives that long), thanks guys for that, having android cl for so long o can definitely jump out of it, while only fremantle user thought this is a big deal, using 0 android apps right now (ok, here brought me back to install it, but still, all is fluff exxept that)

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Would be nice if Jolla could still release a device in 2015 as they mentioned they hope to do early this year.

Yes most Linux guys are happy with Android, I am not one of them. Another chance for a more regular Linux phone is the Ubuntu touch phones that are supposed to be coming. Ubuntu's interface is not as nice and I prefer the way Sailfish does multitasking but may be more open than Sailfish and seems to have two phone makers on board.

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We can Point them in the right direction.(If they are ready to listen)

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Not really sure how ubuntu helps jolla. And since they haven't even released mir on desktop i somehow doubt it will work on mobile from the get go. Already year late? Only good thing is it will also use libhybris, so getting sfos on ubuntu hw should be simple, as ubuntu will do the hw driver qa.

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If they don't earn enough money, i don't understand, why they don't sell spare batteries. I think they could make some profit with batteries. There are still no batteries on the market, so they don't need to sell them just for ten quids.

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thanks dave, but i doubt renaming thè jolla to jphone is suddenly going to sell millions

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assuming they can get a fiver of each 30$ battery sale, with close to 20k devices already out there this will pay for a month or two, but that is jolla's decision/work, wanted this thread to concentrate on finding any helpful things the community could do

edit: then again, if community can come up with sensible business decisions jolla overlooked, why not

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One of the things that are probably bit late would be throwing 10k in devices to developers here. 40 freemangordons/marxians/appos would not only provide a constant stream of apps but probably led reboots would be gone by now as end users would look into them (consider that without kp n900 can't really survive a week uptime, all thanks to community)

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Np, you would be supriced what the right things could do ;)

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shoot us some good ideas, I'm ready to be surpriced

edit holy **** by a misclick now know hitler is surprised by ovi turn by turn being free, first time clicklottery gave me a laugh :) (and then hitler predicts maemo6 will be a blast and an officer losens up his collar uncomfortably):

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They should seriously work on creating official ports for other mainstream devices.

If I could run sailfish OS on a Z3Compact - I would pay to buy the OS

If they just sold the OS for a price for compatible devices, a lot of people bored with Android would buy.

Think PC/DOS sales model, v/s the Apple sales model b4 Steve Jobs

It required a Steve Jobs to sell the Apple model, I doubt Jolla has anyone remotely sales savvy

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Would this really work if you can get mer for free? Silica closed sourcing might be ok in perspective (throw in android compatibility and this could sell, just for how much until xda manages to crack android cl)

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beers in --> ideas out

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bottoms up in that case

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I would like to know how many of you people with such brilliant business ideas run businesses of your own.

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you suggesting jphone2 to be fully android device? because that's where people got, not by choice, by lack of choice :C

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The whole problem here, is if they want any help. The problem with community that you need to cooperate with them. But it seems they do not want it or want it only in exactly way they see it acceptable.
The whole problem that kills opensource, linux based projects are turning them only into product to sell and profit of...

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the transparency or death guys were obvious sjw/tmblrinas shills, not sure what other business ideas were thrown out (my of selling android cl with sfos is stolen from xda, everybody seems to want it there obviously)

edit: even worse they speak finnish so not polish trolls and even are ceos ^^

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i disagree, it is the community who has to come up with idea, how would you react to jolla ceo coming here posting 'guys help?', if we can come up with worthwhile idea they will accept it,not thebother way around (hey guys help us with x support)

edit: just to clear it up, they can't come here looking for unpaid interns to do thèir job, but if we can come up with something that helps them i don't see them stopping us

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Not at all. The product is really not that important when you trying to break.

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please elaborate

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Hopefully this thread doesn't de-rail into yet another let's-rant-about-what-jolla-does-wrong thread.

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If it is constructive: here is how community thinks you should do it, why not
if we're back to idealistic transparency by 'ceo' advisor, yeah, hope we can skip trolls

I never understood, why they ported their OS for other platforms. On the other side they had last months less resources to make the planed updates. Its time to decide what their business is? Selling their own phone with an open OS or selling another closed OS for multiple platforms?

Last year I thought they want to make their own phone with an open OS. If this was the objective, they should aim sharper at it.

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usually, when shopping for investments you are selling an idea, when you finally hit the market, it's still the idea, concept and not the actual product you are evaluate and selling. To me jolla should focus more on the idea and less product.

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Like I said this was based decision, jolla goes under? Skilled coders won't drown, and there will be legacy of how to port Sailfish to any device (if they go under no legal problems right?), finally full blown linux on any android device, screw bionic

edit: nokia never achieved this, which is why maemo4 is so outdated cant even run cli programs from m5

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please elaborate (sorry for repeating but still don't get it, edit: probably obvious and i just need morr beer, brb (beer right back?))

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Yep, more beer is probably needed. Let's say that when you launching something to the market you want the launch of the idea be like 3-4 beers or a bottle of wine. Too much alcohol and your idea will get wasted, too little and you don't get the right feeling.

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As much as I love the Inebriati skit (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yEUlDNs8j-Q) still hoping for some good jolla related ideas

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Yeah, there are definitely areas where the community wants to help but Jolla is either not willing or able to accept the help. For example:

• translations - the promised official translation platform still does not exist but unofficial translations efforts are ongoing on Transifex
• application development by the community - most community apps are still blocked from Harbour
• bug hunting - still hampered by the lack of proper public bug tracker, TJC is a mess for this and people might start not to bother if reports on TJC rot for months without any reaction
• TOH development - this is definitely moving forward, but pretty much without any cooperation from Jolla after the initial hardware enablement and SDK
• cooperation on Sailfish OS development - this is definitely improving, as the recent community contributed Conmann hotfix shows, but it is still hampered by components being undocumented, not really having any upstream, lacking a roadmap or being outright closed thus making contributions impossible
• low level development - at least until recently was pretty much completely blocked by the lack of a flashable image

So I would say one can't really blame the community for being too passive - there are certainly people willing to help, but quite often can't until Jolla does their part of the "deal".

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I see the endless loop of we tell what's wrong and even propose how it can be done, willing to help. We are not heard, at some point it's called rant and whinning. We get more and more attention, there is some few words/cooperation from jolla, after which everyone forget how long it took and that it was proposed at the beginning and they godship jolla as they did it from the beginning as own initials (same people calling you as hater) :)
When n900 or n9 got less attention from company, at least there there was strong community with great devs, Jolla decided to keep the most hacking to themselves and get the community of fan boys mostly ;)

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I'm not sure if you actually grasp the concept. But we are talking about something without anything real. The idea of something without something. But the feeling. The idea of the feeling. And to get there we need to communicate.

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I have to disagree strongly, jolla was very open why internal tracker has to be closed (oxy***** but it isn't once you consider business obligations), again this thread is about ideas that don't require jolla to break business partnerships/relationships/selling stock, more about what the community can do on its own, without 'release all the sources' crying.

you can add oxy-m-o-r-o-n to the smartwatch list

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no pls don't, sjws talk feelings first, not gonna play that game, sorry (your free speech ends where my feelings are hurt... no)

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dave, the product was launched a year ago

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Yes, so? It's a process both before and after. The idea must live and be told. What's the idea of jolla?

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don't want to speak for the company but for me linux on mobile (which is why lack of x was so bothering me), and full linux at that not bionic nonsense (still we lost dynamic power management and few other glitches but make && install is still best on jolla afaik)

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Not sure I would go for that sales pitch ;)