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Re: Jolla at Slush 2014

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Originally Posted by butler (Post 1448421)

Well, here is an answer from an hour ago. It looked like they considered HW frozen, but now I read it so that they are considering some minor changes. It looks like they already have prototypes or perhaps HW from some OEM, and it's very unlikely that they would swap CPU at this stage if it's not pin and SW compatible. Maybe they will add some pereperals -- wireless charging, a LED, an NFC module if they would fit in existing case...

As cybette answers in that thread, and as Stskeeps said yesterday on irc (as posted by Morpog earlier in this thread), there is some scope for change even on hw, but it's dependent on sales volumes.

The igg bar was set at $380k or 1735 units @ $219 inc. del., was that set artificially low, or was it a true target? Currently they've sold ~4400 units - is that enough to bring better HW into the picture, or do they need a much bigger sales volume to do so?

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answered 3 hours ago
https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/2926...identicon&r=PG cybette https://together.jolla.com/m/default...ags/fi.gif?v=2 2588 ●28 ●30 ●27 moderator

We are taking your feedback seriously, and at this point we can't promise anything as especially many hardware changes require significant volumes. However, we truly are giving your suggestions (both SW and HW) very serious considerations and discussing all different possibilities that we have to make things happen. Once we have something more concrete, we will share that. Thanks!

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Stskeeps juergbi: it is also that strictly speaking with more funding some things may change, like for example tohkbd had the option to let all people get coloured kbds of choice, it all comes down to scale14:41

Stskeeps sometimes, for example with jolla1 we had option between bog standard msm8930aa vs msm8930 or how was it, fitting in same SW and same HW14:42

juergbi Stskeeps: i understand. in an interview it was mentioned that hardware was already fixed, though14:42

Stskeeps but i would be really unhappy to change gpu during development.. we did that from mali to qcom14:42

Stskeeps juergbi: i've not read things yet :) just explaining why i might be cautious about what i am saying14:43

Stskeepsi hope this product can be really transparent in development and i'll do my part to make it so14:43

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014

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Originally Posted by vistaus (Post 1448337)

Yup, big selling point. 'Cause the average tablet user cares about that. #not It's not only tech people who pre-order it on IndieGogo.

^Why do people do this?

When tech people care a lot about something, they begin to develop for that something rather than what people are used to using.

When that happens, non-tech people pretty much have to care about it.

EDIT: Well, in this regard, people don't HAVE to care about it if they don't want it; freedom of choice and all that noise. You get my point though.

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014

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Originally Posted by P@t (Post 1448403)

interesting tweet about what was needed to create Jolla
https://twitter.com/SaniLeino/status/535460240805101568

so more than 30 million euros and 306,000 man hours (about 35 years) :p

30 million...

....and how much have the sold? For those beleive in a second phone should ask themself if its even possible do a second device

They have too sell alot of the first one to get a chance for a second phone. 100000 atleast for price of 300EUR to get the money back and then they need more money to create second...

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014

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Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1448446)

I submitted a request for open drivers friendly hardware for the Jolla tablet. Please vote.

Correct way to go about it, just wondering, do any z37xx chips have open drivers? Or are planned to be? From what I've seen mentioned even open gma500 drivers did not result in all netbooks using that chip in getting linux. Is it in Jolla's hands, or more on intel (in)side?

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014

Looks like Jolla is close to 1 million USD :) https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/j...blet/x/9174763

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014

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Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 1448404)

Its official - Atom Z37xx (Bay-Trail-T) line:
http://newsroom.intel.com/community/...wered-by-intel

At https://twitter.com/search?q=%23sailfishos it is quoted that it will be the Z3735F.

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014

$995k pledged. $1m coming up...

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1448447)

The short answer is that there's no way they can fund subsequent products through cashflow from the first phone. Just no way.

Subsequent products are a mix of venture capital, cashflow, probably bank loans and a very small percentage will be made up by "crowdfunding" (basically pre-orders).

They went with the Intel chip because they're likely to get enormous assistance from them, either in funding, price cuts, engineering assistance or all 3.

This is one of the reasons why it is so incredibly important, both from a financial and design perspective, that they manage to get a large high quality OEM for the second phone and modify an existing platform. Keeping development costs down for such a small company is so vital .. and why, in my view, the first phone has been semi-disastrous.

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014

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Originally Posted by bluefoot (Post 1448484)

in my view, the first phone has been semi-disastrous.

welp, they showed they can deliver on ultra short deadlines, which probably managed to secure some further investments (the part about funding itself fully on first device was spot on), now tablet incoming, disaster