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peterleinchen 2014-11-27 19:27
Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1449566)
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Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1449562)
A splitscreen on a tablet? Cmon...

What I would love on a tablet is:
real user logon/differentiation (log in, e-mail, browsing, history, ...)
What about that?
Care to expand on that?
Pichlo already pointed out.
Imagine how you log on to your PC. In case of no-admin-access you have only access to your files, to your browser history, to your e-mail settings and so on ...

This is what I expect as a 'new' feature! (not winky blinky window tiles)

Dave999 2014-11-27 19:40
Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
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Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1449587)
Pichlo already pointed out.
Imagine how you log on to your PC. In case of no-admin-access you have only access to your files, to your browser history, to your e-mail settings and so on ...

This is what I expect as a 'new' feature! (not winky blinky window tiles)
Ok, thx.
Personally I dont need that in a basic phone. If we can go for features i would vote real copy and paste or a faster more complete browser.

peterleinchen 2014-11-27 19:44
Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
Dave,
we are talking about a tablet.
I agree, on a phone this may not really make sense. :)

But /and I agree to your other two points (especially cookies accepting site-by-site or fast JS enabling, just like MicroB ;)).

Dave999 2014-11-27 19:52
Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
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Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1449590)
Dave,
we are talking about a tablet.
I agree, on a phone this may not really make sense. :)

But /and I agree to your other two points (especially cookies accepting site-by-site or fast JS enabling, just like MicroB ;)).
Ohh...sorry. I thought it was valid for sailfish independent of device. Would never want tablet with sail in current state). For phone it's OK.

wicket 2014-11-27 20:18
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Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1449585)
stskeeps told on twitter that they don't intend to lock the bootloader.
Thanks, that's good news first of all and in theory loading another OS should be possible but it does leave some unanswered questions. Will the eMMC be available for offline partitioning and recovery from an external computer? Being x86-based I would assume GRUB would be installable. I've no experience of Atom-based systems so I've no idea about their limitations or if the boot process differs from a regular PC. Will it use UEFI, BIOS or something else? I don't particularly want to purchase a device based on assumptions hence why I asked about instructions.

I'd imagine that fans of Sailfish who aren't interested in Android support (there seem to be quite a few here) would also want this functionality in order to experiment with loading an alternative instance of Salifish that uses native Wayland drivers, a vanilla Linux kernel, etc.

Morpog 2014-11-27 21:43
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wicket, why don't you join #jollamobile and ask stskeeps? He got a prototype and told us he will try to boot soem linux distros on it. I'm sure hew ill be glad to answer your questions as good as he can or is allowed to. AFAIK it uses UEFI.

thedead1440 2014-11-27 22:08
Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
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Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1449564)
I suspect that the 32GB max is the good old FAT-format limitation. Sure, format it with extfs or something and you'll not face that problem, but the "industry standard" format is still based around the Microsoft formats, so you'll have trouble sharing that uSD card with other mobile devices.

So basically, paying to license exFAT gives you a level of compatibility with all the other junk already on the market today. :)
I am using a FAT32 formatted 64GB card on my S4 so no exFat doesn't mean end of the world.

Edit: reading comments from others about Jolla phone bring able to handle up to 128GB cards, it's clear this stretch goal is another of those BS marketing buzzwords like "truly open source OS".

Morpog 2014-11-27 22:42
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thedead1440 why should it be BS? Don't you think that an exFAT license costs alot of money? Just because you don't use or need it, doesn't mean ordinary users won't. For them it needs exFAT, as those cards come preformated.

Will the bashing ever end?

pichlo 2014-11-27 22:56
Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
The last time I bought a 64GB USB stick, it came pre-formated as FAT32. But anyway - don't you think that providing a "Format SD card" feature in Settings would be faster, cheaper and, by any measure, better than any exFAT could ever be?

thedead1440 2014-11-27 23:13
Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
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Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1449627)
thedead1440 why should it be BS? Don't you think that an exFAT license costs alot of money? Just because you don't use or need it, doesn't mean ordinary users won't. For them it needs exFAT, as those cards come preformated.

Will the bashing ever end?
Well for those ordinary users there are many droid tabs out there. Why line M$ pockets for their proprietary format when a simple format to FAT32 option is enough? Even CM on Android have stopped supporting exFat.

On a lighter note since their other two software stretch goals are aiming for Q3 2015, integrating such an option may take up to Q3 2015 too or simply soon(TM) :D


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