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I suspect that the 32GB max is the good old FAT-format limitation. Sure, format it with extfs or something and you'll not face that problem, but the "industry standard" format is still based around the Microsoft formats, so you'll have trouble sharing that uSD card with other mobile devices.

So basically, paying to license exFAT gives you a level of compatibility with all the other junk already on the market today. :)

f2fs should be OK, except it's still WIP. Windows driver will be made by Samsung. But if you don't have any Windows - who cares. Just use any filesystem you want.

rcolistete

2014-11-28 00:14

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Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1449579)

Has any information been revealed about the bootloader yet? If it is confirmed to be open and Jolla can provide instructions on how to use it demonstrating that it truly is an open tablet, they can have my money.

See the minutes of #mer-meeting: SailfishOS, open source, collaboration: 25-November @ 15:00 UTC, specially item "4 Generic info about Jolla Tablet - SK_work or Armadillo (20 min) (cybette, 15:20:25)" in full logs :

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15:23:47 <Stskeeps> tbr: but as a general note, i tested if i could load a open kernel without problems.
15:25:14 <tbr> #info Will the bootloader be open? - <+Stskeeps> we built sailfishos on open devices. it doesn't make sense to deny that ability to others.

wicket

2014-11-28 02:55

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Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1449639)

Thanks. I checked the logs and it was this bit in particular that sums up what I wanted to hear:

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15:23:18 <Stskeeps> tbr: i'm currently crafting a blog post where i hope we'll find a good solution together balancing privacy, security, etc. UEFI is a bag of cats. but aim is ability to install alternative OS'es on it.

I'll look forward to that blog post.

aegis

2014-11-28 08:04

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Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1449565)

Yeah, a bit strange about the memory, the n900 and the Jolla phone can both handle at least 64GB microsdhc card.

No they can't. SDHC only goes up to 32GB. :p

SDXC is the standard for >32GB and that mandates exFAT support. The hardware in N900/Jolla supports SDXC but not with the official standard mandatory file system.

This stretch target must be about licensing exFAT support so they can officially claim SDXC support.

cvp	2014-11-28 12:37

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"Fat32Formatter" and good is ;)

NokiaFanatic

2014-11-28 12:57

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Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1449610)

wicket, why don't you join #jollamobile and ask stskeeps? He got a prototype and told us he will try to boot soem linux distros on it. I'm sure hew ill be glad to answer your questions as good as he can or is allowed to. AFAIK it uses UEFI.

Please let us know if you hear anything about this.

benny1967

2014-11-28 13:03

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Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1449628)

But anyway - don't you think that providing a "Format SD card" feature in Settings would be faster, cheaper and, by any measure, better than any exFAT could ever be?

Wouldn't help those who use the SD card to transfer files from other devices to the tablet. Not only would it erase data already on the card, it will also make it unreadable on a number of devices that follow that standard.

(Besides, there are very good reasons why in the end people advise against manually formating SD card of any kind.)

ExFAT support is not a necessary option for those of us who know about different file systems, compatibility issues etc.
It's something for those who buy an SD card and expect it to Just Work. I've had the pleasure to explain to two Jolla owners why their SDXC card won't work on a Jolla phone without re-formating and that they will not be able to re-format them on their laptops. Although I did stress the patent situation etc., they just replied: "It has an SD slot and this is an SD card." Well... Jolla should do something about it IMHO.

ste-phan

2014-11-28 13:05

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Originally Posted by aegis (Post 1449659)

This stretch target must be about licensing exFAT support so they can officially claim SDXC support.

Good for marketing department but, who cares when all you have to do is format a memory card.
A small price to pay to extend your memory with 64GB / 128GB vs having to buy a new device because you ran out of memory, isn't it?

I am a little bit surprised to see this kind of stretch goal taking Sailfish fans for dumber than they actually are.

About the other goal: 3.5G

In particular the cellular connectivity has demanding certification and field testing requirements.

I don’t want 3.5G, do I have to upgrade? No, you can still have the original Wifi only Jolla Tablet, with the original delivery date of May 2015.

With all that field testing they may as well give it full telephone functionality.
This is not USA where the goal of iPad 3G is sell another SIM card for master Telecomoperator.
Or is there some cost inducing European license issue that I am unaware off that forbids tablets to be phones?

shmerl

2014-11-28 16:12

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Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1449685)

I've had the pleasure to explain to two Jolla owners why their SDXC card won't work on a Jolla phone without re-formating and that they will not be able to re-format them on their laptops.

Why not. Of course they need to use normal operating system and not some Windows junk on their laptops to do it ;)

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