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shmerl 2014-11-30 01:42

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
See also update 4 in the request about other potential legal issues.

minimos 2014-11-30 08:43

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
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Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1449805)
People only tend attribute everything to Torvalds because he's better looking and aggressively marketing himself. He has the social skills that RMS lacks. That doesn't mean his version of history is true.

Indeed... :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g

minimos 2014-11-30 10:04

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
In the IGG campaign there is now one claim for the Jolla tablet 'StarterKit' perk (kit of 20 tablets). Neat!

mikecomputing 2014-11-30 10:46

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
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Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1449863)
Jolla can take another approach. Just charge the user who wants exFAT support some $XYZ, and then pay to M$ whatever they are asking already. Not exact, but at least it makes it optional and Jolla can adjust that price periodically to even out the difference.

Make a "custom version" for some customers is not easy. I doubt you can go to Microsoft and say "hey I want exfat on X devices but we are not sure how many devices yet". My guess is they have to buy licences in "packages" of X thousand not per/unit.

In this case I think they have to choose exFAT or not exFAT on all devices since it low volumes we talk about.

But for me most important question is what stable filesystem works best on optimized for flash memory without corruption. If there is a good open alternative I personally prefer that. But question is if there is... So maybe exFAT actually is best solution even I personally hate SW patents...

Btw... Even if its not fully comparable. But lets look at the desktop market. Even if a company will not use windows in the organisation you have to buy Dell/Lenovo/HP computers with Windows OS junk preinstalled. That sucks bigtime too. But what is the alternative? There is probadly zero companys selling bussiness computers without windows crap preinstalled... Atleast in sweden. (Yeah I know there is system72 in US)

My point is whatever you choose you never get rid of the facts that you have to pay Google, Microsoft or some other big corporation whatever you choose. Business as usual...

mikecomputing 2014-11-30 10:57

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
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Originally Posted by minimos (Post 1449905)
In the IGG campaign there is now one claim for the Jolla tablet 'StarterKit' perk (kit of 20 tablets). Neat!

that has been atleast a week?

shmerl 2014-11-30 11:02

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
Most common filesystems work well enough on flash. The benefit of F2FS is reducing the burnout, but if you don't write to it actively - it shouldn't be a major issue.

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1449907)
There is probadly zero companys selling bussiness computers without windows crap preinstalled... Atleast in sweden. (Yeah I know there is system72 in US)

Actually for businesses it's much easier to buy computers without Windows junk preinstalled. Dell, Lenovo and all others offer computers without OS or with Linux to corporate customers. But when it comes to individuals they start causing your problems.

pichlo 2014-11-30 11:33

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
How do we know that exFAT is optimised for flash storage if the details are a trade secret? Because Microsoft says so?

From Vertu with Love 2014-11-30 12:55

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
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Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1449910)
Most common filesystems work well enough on flash. The benefit of F2FS is reducing the burnout, but if you don't write to it actively - it shouldn't be a major issue.



Actually for businesses it's much easier to buy computers without Windows junk preinstalled. Dell, Lenovo and all others offer computers without OS or with Linux to corporate customers. But when it comes to individuals they start causing your problems.

Zoostorm sells extremely affordable Windows-free desktops in the UK (to consumers and businesses). You can get them from ebuyer.

minimos 2014-11-30 13:50

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1449908)
that has been atleast a week?

That's just not possible as the StarterKit perk has been added on 27/11.

Tigerroast 2014-11-30 17:14

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
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Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1449799)
(And it's GNU/Linux, not Linux.)

Ugh...that's crusty...why do people do this?

Anyway, I was under the impression that reformatting an SD card isn't exactly a technical feat. People in general, tech-heads or no, should know about what they're buying and how to use it. This applies for anything.


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