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juiceme 2014-11-30 19:10
Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
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Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1449965)
Think again.
Yes, that'd be perfectly valid solution.

Tigerroast 2014-11-30 19:17
Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
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Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1449966)
Yes, more realistic and no (big) problem for 'us'. But think at the non-tech-savy people that want to use that card as overall exchange medium. Put it in your Win device and getting asked to format (again)?
FAT32 (as the overall file system) has the 4GB file size limit. :(
Windows can read external drives (SD cards incl.) formatted in NTFS, right? Linux can as well.

Bam.

shmerl 2014-11-30 19:21
Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
I think Jolla could come out and clarify all the legal limitations and constraints about it. So far they didn't say anything.

shmerl 2014-11-30 19:21
Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigerroast (Post 1449971)
Windows can read external drives (SD cards incl.) formatted in NTFS, right? Linux can as well.

Bam.
Some other devices don't read NTFS. For example cameras. But that's really besides the point. I don't know what cameras can read besides exFAT. This whole sick situation is the result of corrupted market capture and lock-in pushed by MS into the SD consortium. That's why it's so irritating that this is fueled further with the money given as crowdfunding.

Thoke 2014-11-30 19:26
Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
So could Jolla just format a >64gb microsd to fat32 and be done with it? Does Windows dislike fat32 on microsds over 32gb?

I do get the point about the portability problem... what if one already had lots of content in that exfat card, it would be annoying to say at least to have it be formatted again... this would be a big minus on the Jolla tablet for the average consumer.

shmerl 2014-11-30 19:27
Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
FAT32 can't hold files larger than 4 GB (not uncommon for video).

Tigerroast 2014-11-30 19:28
Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
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Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1449975)
Some other devices don't read NTFS. For example cameras. But that's really besides the point. I don't know what cameras can read besides exFAT.
To clarify, he meant as a general sharing medium. I don't think cameras would count.

Quote:
This whole sick situation is the result of corrupted market capture and lock-in pushed by MS into the SD consortium. That's why it's so irritating that this is fueled further with the money given as crowdfunding.
Couldn't agree more.

peterleinchen 2014-11-30 19:30
Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1449975)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigerroast (Post 1449971)
Windows can read external drives (SD cards incl.) formatted in NTFS, right? Linux can as well.
Some other devices don't read NTFS. For example cameras. But that's really besides the point. I don't know what cameras can read besides exFAT.
And reading is somewhat different from writing!

Tigerroast 2014-11-30 19:32
Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thoke (Post 1449977)
So could Jolla just format a >64gb microsd to fat32 and be done with it?
Jolla would have to format it in a format that can handle that capacity (NTFS, F2FS, EXT4, XFS, perhaps BTRFS).

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I do get the point about the portability problem... what if one already had lots of content in that exfat card, it would be annoying to say at least to have it be formatted again... this would be a big minus on the Jolla tablet for the average consumer.
Perhaps this is just me, but I always backup data from an external medium on another hard drive/my computer anyway. It's proven to be a good habit, backing up everything.

benny1967 2014-11-30 20:02
Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thoke (Post 1449977)
So could Jolla just format a >64gb microsd to fat32 and be done with it? Does Windows dislike fat32 on microsds over 32gb?
Thats not the point. The use case is different:
  1. User buys "an SD card" (doesn't know differences)
  2. User uses it on his laptop and other devices
  3. User now wants the files from SD card on Jolla, too
  4. Jolla can't read it because its exFAT
  5. Jolla tablet suggests to re-format...


The suggestion that Jolla should format the card to a file system that's hopefully compatible to Windows, OSX and a number of cameras, ebook-readers and other gadgets only works if the Jolla tablet is the first device a user will plug the card into after he bought it. That will very likely not be the case.


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