Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 

You would love to see a high price?

I'd be content with all of those specs, but a low one :p

Then again, if this announcement is anything to do with the rumours surrounding Jolla and Oppo earlier this year, then maybe we could both get our wish...

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Small quantity premium spec require high price and i rather see that than low spec medium price like jolla l. Oppo or Nokia behind this new Phone would indeed be really cool. But if we look at the image jolla teased With its no chance that oppo designed high end Phone like that. Looks like a cheap toy. The device in your link looks amazing. Install sail on that and you have an instant hit.

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http://monster.tspre.org/~carsten/Jolla_IDA.pdf (32mb)

Speech should appear later on in video format AFAIK.

Nothing in there revolving around the current topic.

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A Mi3 with Sailfish would be awesome :D
But, as we all see, Xiaomi always is "inspired" (or, as they say: came to the same result totally independently) by other manufacturers (Mi4-iPhone) the Mi3 is a Nokia - lookalike. Lumia. At least inspired.
And that sounds a lot better, right?
We love Nokia devices (or you do, I never had one) and they are known as durable.. Whatever, Nokia won't produce a device anymore, but they sell Nokia licenses. Maybe to Jolla? That could boost Jolla quite a bit and the device could look like a Lumia (That would maybe become a problem with Microsoft as they call windows phone now Lumia, at least on Twitter).
Tomorrow (11-17) Nokia CEO will announce something about the Nokia enterprise Foxcom (But just speculations... The source is in German, the first when you Google news "Nokia") that could maybe produce the phone with Nokia branding.
That would definitely be something BIG!
What do you think?

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 

I think Microsoft got the exclusive right to produce Nokia branded smartphones until the end of next year (though they are dropping the Nokia brand already). Nokia can't make Nokia phones or license the name to any other manufacturer before 2016.

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Oh I think I missed this... I just read it.
Damn, would have been awesome... Well I guess it's a phone actually. Maybe they find a way to make it compatible with the TOH that exist... That would be the best way.

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I think the chances of Sailfish devices made by Xiaomi, and either Jolla or Xiaomi branded are pretty much nil at this stage. Way too big. They'd have nothing to gain.

Oppo / their parent company are exploring all sorts of options ... OnePlus and CyanogenMod ... there are continual rumours about them preparing Ubuntu in anticipation of the Meizu Ubuntu launch being a success ... so it's more likely. But still, Sailfish is pretty ropey, so I think an Oppo or Oneplus branded device is unlikely until the latter half of next year at the earliest. I do hope however that Jolla may be able to make large enough orders next year to use Oppo as their OEM / ODM. A cosmetically altered Oppo U3 would be a great replacement for the existing Jolla - 4.6" 1920x1080 and an octacore ARMv8 Mediatek chip ... though I wouldn't read anything into it, for the conspiracy theorists the U3 is due to launch some time this month or next.

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I think it would be a mistake for Jolla to take an existing Chinese phone and badge engineer it. They need to stick with their Finnish design for their own handsets and that should not just be 'cosmetically altered' skin deep changes.

Though if they are badge engineering something, can I have Sailfish on a Lumigon T2 ? ;-)

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What exactly is Finnish design? If "Finnish design" is what resulted in the first phone, they can shove it. Anyway, it's ridiculous to try and engineer even some of it themselves ... they'll just end up with a hugely compromised device with poor quality components from a low quality OEM, that cost them more time and money - like the first time.

Exactly what is wrong with taking a well engineered Chinese phone with high quality components and just giving it a different case? They can make the case look however they want.

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Why should Canonical have a better chance of getting those other vendors on board, having actually used both, Sailfish has been far more baked for the longest time. UT has caught up lots recently, but all other factors being equal, there's no way they have an edge in terms of the OS/platform. It's now pretty competitive, but there's no way it's "clearly" better, still feels clearly worse IME.

To those still dreaming that Jolla does excellent hw due to their Finnish/Nokia heritage or some such imaginary notions, sorry to burst your bubble but Jolla doesn't do great hw, they're quite mediocre at it actually. Rather then split their limited resources even more towards yet another form-factor, I would prefer to see them 'deep dive' even further into: sw/services (& how to make it more appealing to 3rd-parties), J1, TOH_ecosystem/story, & J1 successor. Hopefully they aren't releasing their own device, if it's new hw hopefully it's being done by a capable/well-regarded partner, but as I said, maybe there wasn't anyone willing or interested, sadly. If it's just a TOH then it's fine for them to be doing it, but if it's a full-blown ph/tablet, optimal approach (IMO) would be for a 3rd-party to be doing it, it would be a great learning curve for them too, as finally they'll have an ODM who can give them feedback on their sw.

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Yes Nokia dont can made Nokia Phones but they can design the next Jolla Phone and anounce an official Joint Venture with Jolla. Nokia also like to tell us "a new think".
And together they can prepare the comeback from Nokia in 2015.
Also on Palm important people going out of the company for diferences about Strategy and they found Treo and cretae the Handspring, after a Time Palm buy Treo.

Hopefully the result were here to stay with Open Source Meego/Sailfish and they let participate the comunity. I know iam dreaming ;)

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Well, why would they partner up with a third party? You know that the phones are the only source of income for Jolla besides of investors... I hope they manufacture their own phone, else they will get more expensive
Every manufacturer can already make use of sailfish v(hak) so why split the bill?

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I didn't say stop making phones or other devices period, I said at this point in time yet another form-factor (namely tablets) isn't a good idea.
Better that their long running mantra of wanting to get partners on board the "Sailfish Alliance" is finally upheld, & they have partner doing it.
Ideally it'd be a phone though, not a tablet, but beggars can't be choosers...

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 

Been reading a lot of ifs & buts on this thread lately. Do people really think their opinions matter when the event is two days away?

Just relax and watch things unfolding :)

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 

Well it's a discussion & speculation thread, exhibit A:
Folks are free to express their views, not entitled to their own facts, but opinions are 'par for the course'.

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Opions always matters. This forum is built on opinions That is what brings the humans forward...

Also, look at all the cool images/proto community came up with. Just have fun til the reality hit you in the face.


Just relax and keep speculating until things unfolding :)

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Oh come on, even with the ridiculous amount of copying that goes on in China, there's still a clear aesthetic difference in design, colours, material choices between what gets designed in Finland and elsewhere.

I've had zero problems with the current Jolla. The only design issue I have is the flat glass screen sat in plastic sat in metal - too many shut lines.

Totallt disagree. The issues some people have had, not me, not all, are surely more to do with the accelerated timeline they had having to switch from their original platform and first product issues.

That's what they did the first time. Now they have the time to tefine their design.

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For the pleasure of the discussion:

something big can be a number :P = the number of sold Jolla phone (I honestly do not believe it much)

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Probably a matter of taste (trying to be polite), but the Jolla phone is really a remarkable work of art IMHO. While all other phones look alike, it shows how you can do something very different, yet still aesthetic and very functional. Using both the Samsung Galaxy and the Jolla phone, I have to say the Jolla isn't only prettier but a lot better to hold in your hands.

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No. A number cannot begin.

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i'd be entirely up for a quality chinese hansdet like the oneplus one running sailfish.

two points:
1. i can't see a licensesee being interested in TOH
2. hopefuly a design that accomodates edge gestures via a curved screen (like the N9).

i have been using the sailfish launcher on my nexus 5... which has a very slim silicon jacket. it makes the sailfish UI utterly pointless!

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Isn't it a little early to tell if it's "quality"? It's not been released yet.

A bicycle engineer once told me that there are three criteria in bicycle design, Cost, Strength, Weight.... pick two.

ie. you can't have a cheap, strong, light bike.

I imagine something similar applies with electronics too, even in China.


Absolutely. That's what I mentioned earlier with the current Jolla design. the glass is flat in a plastic insert but the design is screaming out for it to be all glass and curved from the edge. I would guess that's a cost cutting measure though a glass edge might be fragile. Back to "pick two" perhaps.

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There are a lot more problems than you think ...

It absolutely isn't, at all. They came up with their own design and packaging and their ODM attempted to accommodate them (with a largely bespoke mix of low grade components and totally different packaging to other phones they produce).

Battery isn't even standard in package with other phones ... why do you think there are no spare batteries?

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I say quality because I imagine it would be an existing SKU repurposed to run Sailfish, rather than Android or the Android derivatives used by the likes of Xioimi, Meiuzu, etc. a Oneplus One or a Huwei Honor 6 would be just fine with me!

same equation applies to tanks: mobility, lethality, protection - pick two.

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Things unfolding tend to be against my interests for the past couple of years.
I suppose Jolla reads and enjoys some of the speculation here (of course they have no time to answer on any comment as they are a small team ans still lot of work to do , etc...) so I think it makes sense to post your expectations or desire in this thread.

-> Jolla, give me more of that software, not that hardware.

-Will pay for license to run Sailfish on fully supported 3rd party hardware found plenty in the wild, waiting to be activated with a better OS
-Will feel happy to receive free Sailfish license as thank you for being early backer 1st half of 2013.

Re: Jolla at Slush 2014
 

About the Jolla counter, if I did not make a mistake, it's reaching zero on November 19th, at 03:00 (AM), Helsinki time.
Event at 3 AM? :confused:
Maybe it's more like 9 AM as in Hong Kong?

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Well spotted.

That's very weird. Either someone at Jolla can't count and they changed it, or it has developed an error.

It was previously 9am Helsinki time, 11am London time on Wednesday.

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Looks a bit strange...

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As you seem to have an eye for detail, do you agree its beauty is only skin deep?
And in the light of a Samsung my 30 USD toaster is also a piece of art and example of understanding of ergonomics.. Samsung even succeeds to randomize button placement in the most inconvenient way.
Subjectively, IMO there is no candybar phone that is a joy to hold. It feels alien in my medium sized hands, has dropped more than other phones due to that. I purchased it because I had no choice.

Appreciation by outside world: Nobody ever asked any question about my Jolla or gave me a compliment about the "piece of art" I was carrying be it white with Lastu birch wooden back or orange the first one.

Instead carrying a Jolla makes me feel like I am blending in the crowd like an actor in that scene of the Walking Dead where the swordsgirl has two zombies walking on a leech on each side of her to mask her own smell as not to stir the zombies into attack.

Recently people are rarely out to spot different phone OS or trying to convert you using the iPhone or Androids around them - they feel at ease knowing everybody is the same now and bother with their social networking.

Especially when I am browsing the internet on the train I am masking my "being unlike" with the Android back button under the Firefox browser. I don't want to do that but I a feel a few Android apps, like Firefox are essential to me for enjoying the Jolla.

Luckily there is FBReader native and a great native IRC client amongst other native gems!

Carrying a Jolla phone IMO is not helping to spread the word about Jolla and Sailfish. There are few situations where my phone can stand out to attract attention (FM radio tx and Camera still does it for the Nokia)
I feel like I am promoting the Android OS like I felt I was actually promoting Lumia in the months I had my Nokia N9.

To Jolla: give me a Sailfish software license with a big sticker "powered by Jolla reborn / revived / re-activated / inspired by Sailfish" to put on the back of Galaxy / Nexus / Kindle or even better, something with a keyboard if that exists.

I am already supporting Jolla this way (sorry for the N900, yes.. it is actually my phone and I feel relieved returning to it after 2 years, what does that say: lots of work to be done)

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OK, so it's probably just a coincidence that these three things are using the same (currently fashionable) font and design language.

OR IS IT?!

Nokia teaser for their upcoming directions talk at Slush (Tue)
Jolla teaser for their reveal at Slush (Wed)
TOHKBD team teaser

(it is)

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would be logical, step 2 is almost complete

http://www.igdigital.com/wp-content/...con-valley.png

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It's probably a bug in the countdown :D Or its a launch in US :D Jolla stop messing with the countdown!

We need a proper countdown for this!

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"the biggest technical production ever done in finland" don't even have a live stream? :eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3KX...ature=youtu.be

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I just came to the conclusion that Nokia just bought Jolla!

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Well that is some conclusion.

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HMMMM

Nokia's 'up to something,' will unveil new device tomorrow

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looks like a 20.000 mAh TOH Akku for Jolla :P

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http://www.concept-phones.com/wp-con...8_tablet_1.jpg

http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/a...-or-tablet.jpg

check out Nokia tablet form vs jollas image. :D
And Then users could change the white sidebar in jolla image to different colours. That is missing on the Nokia image...TheOtherside for tablets.

Edit: Jolla changed the countdown again... :mad:
Atleast...Now is the countdown more in sync With dillons presentation :)

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They can't make a bleeding countdown :rolleyes:

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Dammit, thought the only tablet worth having was surface pro, as you get full desktop capabilities, with more 'toilet usable' form. Now with X being an option seems like ARM tablet might be a good idea. And it's just weeks after 100 euro off offer and hkwbd OH... My wallet cries, but now I really feel I need a tablet, bloody hell, whoever said Jolla has bad PR, lied