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The lock screen comparison is quite an interesting topic (mind that I haven't used the N9 for more than couple of weeks; after few years with N900, I went straight to Jolla).

Let's see:
N900
http://www.mynokian900.com/wp-conten...24-1737041.png
You can see:

• Time
• Date
• Type and number of notifications (no text)

You can do:

• Nothing, just unlock the phone.

N9
http://www.gadgetdetail.com/wpconten...ckscreen-1.png
You can see:

• Time
• Date
• Type, numbers and details of notifications
• Battery status
• Connections status (operator, cellular, wifi)
• Online presence status
• Alarm clock status

You can do:

• Open the notifications by sliding them away (no accidental taps)
• Unlock the phone

Jolla
http://mobiili.fi/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/1_lock.png
What you can see:

• Time
• Date (appears for 3 seconds)
• Type and number of notifications (no text)
• Connection details (wifi, Bluetooth, operator name)
• Alarm clock status

What you can do:

• Change profile (general/silent)
• Launch one of three predefined apps
• Tap once to see the battery status, cellular signal info and online presence status
• Swipe to see notification details (open the events view)
• Unlock the phone

With that in mind, I would say that informative-wise, the order is N9 > Jolla > N900 and action-wise, it is Jolla > N9 > N900. Therefore I cannot see how the transition N900->N9 could be described as getting a pointless lock screen.


Note that I am not talking about custom lock screens (the Qt based one on N900 or the Launcher on Jolla). I also never used the N900 lock screen, as I always unlocked it with the side button which brought me straight to the home screen (the same can be now achieved by double-tapping the power button on Jolla).

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@pichlo
4. Buy iOS, S40, WP, Blackberry if you Don't like android and you'll get status bar. SailfishOS is here because of no status bar.
7. It's application developers problem, not SailfishOS
9. gaps are ok for lockscreen icons, not launcher.
11. I'm using sdcard with a lot of partitions.Unique ids are much better than Disk A, Disk B and etc. And there are no easy way to teach application writing to sdcard in this case. SailfishOS is more like desktop OS in common operations. If you want to save something to sdcard you need to know where is your sdcard and you should be able to navigate to sdcard in filemanager.
13. Not every application allow to be loaded with input file parameters. This is the only stop factor. You can easily add mime types to application desktop file and register it to be started when registered extensions called. For example initial version of media player had no such feature and it was added in next sailfishos releases. Again there are no problems in SailfishOS itself, only problem with application developers (even if Jolla developing application)

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Actually I think an optional status bar would be nice. :) Also there seem to be quite a lot of users requesting it, so there seems to be demand for including it.

Plus points if you can easily add custom notifications on it like on the N900. :)

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I think it needs to be added that because of the physical unlock slider most N900 users don't see the lock screen or even more or less don't know it has one (me included). :)

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Yup - that's why I mentioned TJC on another post. The status bar topic has been about for ages. The only concern I'd have is whether adding it optionally would hinder performance, but that's something for SFOS developers to figure out I guess...

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I actually did add this at the end of the post ;)

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When you add status bar to that then user experience would be excellent:

https://together.jolla.com/upfiles/1...5875428533.jpg

If I am serious for a moment then Jolla should do something that would show more information on that screen. Keyboard taking too much screen and maybe smaller text or something.

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BTW, i think you are late for U11 :)
Maybe you're discussing something for U14-U15 ?

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adding a status bar will mean one text line less, I cannot see how user experience will be improved. I'd rather have the LED providing that notification instead.

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we are not late. If anyone is late its jolla.

One update/thread at the time is enough in My opinion ;)

Release 14 or 15 would be sailfish 2.0 :D

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I 'll quit using Sailfish OS if it gets a status bar...

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instead of a status bar, i would really like to see all information (date, time, battery, wifi, network, etc.) on the top of the events screen, wich is pretty useless at the moment.

this would be the perfect replacement imho, as you can reach it from everywhere with just a little swipe from the bottom.
i know, theres the peek-gesture, but this works only, if you are "in" an app... the event-gesture works from everywhere. also the date is missing in the peek-view.

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@Leinad ok will take it for next patch idea :D

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why cant front screen and event view be one and the same?

basically, what I want. as soon as I have entered device code... the jolla should auto connect 3G/4G and auto launch browser. we all have different use cases :D

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@Dave999 you need to found your own OS company and develop your own system :D

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Good Idea. But I think it's easier to buy one. Like if jolla enter stock exchange and do a hostile take over.

plus, how many times have jolla said that the buyers of jPhone l should be able to influence decision for next devices...

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I don't know, when did they do that?

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A few Times over the years With different words. Mostly before launch of the first Phone.

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I think that's actually a Gecko bug, it happens on the Android version of Firefox as well.

So anything that doesn't follow the traditional (and in fact quite stupid) desktop paradigm isn't a real desktop? If you prefer working with a desktop like that, great, but that doesn't make them more 'real' than other ones. I quite like what GNOME Shell has become by now, even though I still use some extensions to modify the functionality - then again, using extensions instead of hacks to modify the functionality of the desktop is entirely the point. (And in case the GNOME developers really **** things up, there is always Enlightenment. Which could actually also be used as another UI for Sailfish considering it's so unbelievably lightweight.) Of course I'm going a bit off-topic here.

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Thanks for the sources.

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Within limitations. I mean I don't mind other people helping me but I still don't want them wiping my *** for me or ******* my ****.

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No problem. Maybe i dreamt it all.

:D what?

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Thanks, Zeta. The rest of your post was even better but I hope I can say "me too" without quiting all of it.

I think the biggest problem is that when you present a few constructive ideas like that to say, "Sailfish is great and here is how it could be even better", some people (prefer to?) read it as "Sailfish sucks and here is why".

There is a lot more I could say but I think the most important things have already been said. Let us focus on the positive. There have been some really good ideas presented here (I particularly like Leinad's, to name but one). Jolla, pick any random three and make your creation grow to new heights.

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But I guess that's the current state of Jolla, it still is being shaped by the community feedback. I still remember the Jolla I got on December 23rd 2013 and it's quite different to Jolla I got today.

If you look at the OS that android began with and it's current one their almost completely different now, they had to change so much.

Jolla got a lot of things right from the start compared to first releases of other mobile OS's, but it's not perfect and still needs A LOT of work, but we are all in the same boat sailing together and improving the experience as we go along.

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Yeah. Lots of things are excellent and jolla has a brilliant OS. Still, its more Fun to talk about changes and improvments.

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The problem is that these 'constructive ideas' are usually written as "Sailfish is great but here is what you should do as I the single user know everything ever". There is an enormous difference between saying "I think putting this information more clearly on the lock screen would be useful, because x and y" and "you should put this information on the lock screen because it sucks", even though the essence is the same. One is constructive criticism, the other is just being a ****. I'm not saying you can't tell someone that what they made is crap, but if you do, you shouldn't expect them to listen to your reasoning as to why they should change it. After all, you just told them they made crap.

Two examples from TJC:

• https://together.jolla.com/question/...r-lock-screen/ - all I see is "it's 2014/2015 this lock screen is **** I don't like it C--- wouldn't use again", nothing constructive about it - even though it brings up a good point that the lock screen could show more information without necessarily losing the purpose of a lock screen (although that has been discussed to death already in countless other requests, which makes this post even worse)
• https://together.jolla.com/question/...-sftp-account/ - no "it's 2014/2015 and there's no sFTP account option in the Settings what the **** is this ****", no nonsense, just a simple request

(As a side note to get even more off-topic, what's the point in these word filters anyway? When I see asterisks, I count them and guess which word could have been used. Why not just show it?)

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To be fair to that sftp account complaint, Jolla are very late in finalising the accounts api. We're missing SIP, LinkedIn, Evernote, Flickr and any number of third party plugins because of that.

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@nthn,
Sorry but I think the problem in both cases you link is your own interpretation. I do not see anything offensive in either of the two requests. Both are equally constructive, courteous and have their merit. If you support or oppose any of them, please try to stay on an equally factual level and make the world a better place.

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True, but I think "this "Lock Screen" is a permanent nuisance due to its uselessness" is actually a rather useless statement itself (it adds nothing of value to the post), and it definitely won't get the issue resolved sooner. Admittedly, I think I was more frustrated with that request because of the user artificially bumping it more than the actual content.

Edit: in fact, it's probably the title of the request, with its smug sneery undertone.

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Do you think jolla will fix the maps application to this update? It's not possible to install with latest sail.

Please vote here please:
https://together.jolla.com/question/...-update-11127/

Any other native map solution available meanwhile?

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Hey, Whatever happenned to USB tethering that was promised sometime ago?!!!!

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@meet.vino pkcon install usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config, reboot and enjoy internet sharing mode via usb.

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There's Mæp, modRana, and Poor Maps. modRana and Poor Maps are pretty good, Mæp hasn't been updated since April (but still works).

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Thank you Codreus!! U are a star! Do I have to install android support?

(And hey, am still using Mitakuuluu 2. And eagerly awaiting your new Whatsapp client!)

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Gecko bug or general browser engine bug? 'Cause I experience this exact same bug on Chromium and Yandex Browser on my desktop OS as well (yes, I have a touchscreen!) and they're powered by Blink (which itself is forked from WebKit) rather than Gecko.

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Thanks. Didn't really liked any of them but settle for modRana since I used it before.

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A big +1 for including a SFTP account plugin. :) Many people already use sftp to trasfer data to and from the Jolla (me included) because MTP is more or less totally unusable. Therefore it would only make sense to make it easily available in the GUI - also, it would be really #unlike (and probably also the first mainstream phone having this) and thus fitting with Jollas philosophy. :)

BTW, most mainstream Linux environments have some sort of GUI for adding SFT mount points or shortcuts (at least Gnome, KDE, XFCE, ...) so yet another reason for including it and making Sailfish OS more normal & usable. :)

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no you don't need android support installed.

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@Coderus : I have run the command and it installed some libraries. But I dont know how to actually use the USB tethering. Do I have to install the tether app? Please help me.

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you just need to reboot and then plug your phone, it will provide everything to your computer for web surfing