Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

Hey guys,

I need a little help clearing up my confusion regarding Maemo repos.

Four repos come pre-installed in PR1.3, one of them is Extras. And we have to add Extras-testing and Extras-devel ourselves. Now the confusion is- the maemo.org catalog comes pre-installed and has fremantle-1.3 as its Distribution, while the additional two repos, I, as suggested by many posts, add fremantle as their Distribution.

How this lead to confusion is that I once looked up the repository.maemo.org and saw that the pool directory of all three catalogs had three fremantle distributions, fremantle, fremantle-1.2 and fremantle-1.3.

Because of this At one point, I had two catalogs of the Extras, one that comes pre-installed and has its Distribution set as fremantle-1.3, and second that I configured myself and had its Distribution set as fremantle.

Clearly, fremantle-1.3 is the latest PR and I have that installed on my device, and so that is the distribution I should use for all the three catalogs. So my question is, why then the wiki about repos says to add fremantle as the Distribution for Extras-testing and devel catalogs?

Please help me clear up my confusion by telling me the correct details to add about the three catalogs.
One more thing, does changing the Catalog name makes any difference or not, because every other post states a different Catalog name.

Thanks!

Long Live the N900! Long Live the Maemo!

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

Anyone? Please tell me what are the correct repos for Fremantle PR1.3.

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

for extras you can use fremantle or fremantle-1.3. AFAIK fremantle is an alias (link) to fremantle-1.3.

the same goes for testing and devel.

I happen to have fremantle-1.3 for extras and extras-testing and fremantle for devel, but AFAIK it doesn't make any difference.

I don't have a high-speed connection at the moment so I don't want to try changing it, but if you can, give it a try.

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

It's not a link:
http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/
vs.
http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/

Note the different timestamps! You wouldn't see that if it were a link.
I believe that fremantle-1.3 is a mirror of fremantle, because the timestamps on fremantle-1.3 tend to be slightly later.

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

I have similar question concerning the cssu-testing and cssu-thumb: If I have installed cssu-thumb, should I keep cssu-testing disabled?

My reasoning is that does the cssu-thumb contain all the same libraries,sw etc than cssu-testing, or only those that have been thumb-compiled? If the latter, then the cssu-testing repo should be enabled with cssu-thumb? If the former, then cssu-testing should not be enabled.

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

Without being an expert in CSSU: yes, you can see thumb as an "overlay" on top of testing.

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

Ok. To make sure I understood your response 100%, do you mean that I should have both cssu-thumb and cssu-testing enabled at the same time?

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

Yes, you should have them both enabled. I believe that is because cssu-thumb is based on cssu-testing. If that were not the case, they would not have come pre-enabled by default. :)

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

@reinob @sulu
Does that mean I can use any of the three dists.

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

You can use any of the extras, extras-testing and extras-devel releases.
You can even use any combination of the three but you should only do that if you know what you're doing.

It's the same concept like mixing different Debian releases. I guess even pinning should work, but I never tried.
However, be warned: There are no clean upgrade pathes between Maemo releases like in Debian. This is why you'll often read posts that say "never use dist-upgrade".
And sometimes even the dependencies within one release are broken.


Maemo is Debian's evil brother in terms of repositories. You're at the gates of dependency hell!

So to summarize:
Always think before you act!

If none of what I just wrote makes sense to you (because you're not moderately familiar with Debian), then stick to extras alone, never mix releases and if you need a package from extras-testing or extras-devel only activate this repo to install the package, pay very close attention what's going to happen to your system and deactivate it right away.

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

By memory alone, there was advice by someone knowledgeable to use fremantle rather than fremantle-1.3, as the latter was a legacy arrangement.

My repos are set as such on this basis, having formerly been fremantle-1.3.

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

A complete and easy to find (!) ´how-to-completely-setup-a-fresh/empty/new-flashed N900´ would be amazing. Now mine works for 3 or 4 months, but before that there was something wrong and I reflashed it...it took hours to get all the informations how to setup repos and so on...

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

I believe you are right. Also, they should update "https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_The_Perfect_Setup" with some more info. And maybe more detailed.

The repo confusion struck me because I too want to reflash my N900. :)

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

Hi,

I hope you don't mind me jumping in. I'm a bit confused regarding Nokia/Microsoft ending support for the N900 and how this affects the repos that should be enabled.

Judging by the output of apt-get update, all of the repos at nokia.com are no longer working - is this correct?

So I've disabled "Nokia Applications", "Nokia System Software Updates" and "Ovi", leaving "maemo.org" and "Community SSU" enabled (I installed CSSU stable).

Thanks,

Sam

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

Bad move, you should always keep them enabled. Try doing so and updating again.

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

Thanks, could you explain why though? I would have thought it doesn't matter if there's never any data retrieved.

Sam

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

I'd like to know too.
Thanks.

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

I am not smart enough to know why (especially having recently bricked my little friend and lost everything - note to self re backups), but have read it on here previously. Probably truth in the dependency hell mentioned earlier, there are blobs there that keep the backround alive/

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

Yeah but those blobs aren't going to be removed when you remove the repository, they just won't be updated... but they wouldn't have been updated anyway since the repo doesn't exist!

Re: Confused regarding Fremantle Repositories! What are the correct repos?
 

The Nokia repositories still exist and are essential for your phone's wellbeing. DO NOT disable them! The errors you see when running apt-get update and friends mean that the security certificates on those repositories have expired. We just have to live with that, no one is ever going to renew them.

In fact it is better not to remind Nokia/Microsoft about that; I suspect that the repositories are alive only because they forgot to switch them off. Before they do switch them off, better make yourself a backup like this:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...48#post1455848