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coderus 2015-02-23 11:27

Re: How to run MeeGo on Asha series of phones?
 
@Wikiwide schematics and service manual is not documentation, lol.

And remember please: if phone is not on Android or Linux (Maemo, MeeGo, Tizen) You CAN NOT change builtin OS on it to any other.

Kangal 2015-02-23 11:50

Re: How to run MeeGo on Asha series of phones?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by coderus (Post 1461772)
@Wikiwide schematics and service manual is not documentation, lol.

And remember please: if phone is not on Android or Linux (Maemo, MeeGo, Tizen) You CAN NOT change built-in OS on it to any other.

Not true.

Bada OS came on the (cheap and, for its time) phenomenal Samsung Wave smartphone. Its got a fully working port of Android. I think it was version 4.0.3

The HP TouchPad also got an Android port.

The O2 XDA TyTN II and TouchPRO got Android ports too. Version 2.1 or was it 2.3 ?

HTC HD2 was the last device and it came with Windows Mobile 6.
It got ports for WebOS. FirefoxOS. Android. MeeGo. Mer. Ubuntu Touch. Ubuntu. Windows Phone. Windows RT. Windows 10.

MINKIN2 2015-02-23 12:34

Re: How to run MeeGo on Asha series of phones?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1461768)
An Asha 311 has 128MB of RAM and a slow as ***** processor. It is an impossibility to have it run anything other than Series 40.


Not really true, you could opt for an older flavor of android. In fact, 2.0 has been seen running on the old n95 back in the day.

juiceme 2015-02-23 12:59

Re: How to run MeeGo on Asha series of phones?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikiwide (Post 1461765)
Ok, I can see that there is no existing linux kernel compiled specifically for Asha 311. But what kind of HW documentation would be needed to begin to do such a kernel-or-whatever?..

The kernel is no-brainer. Just about the only thing needed to build a working kernel is to know the CPU architecture and rough estimate on the available core memory.

But this is nearly not enough; I can easily build and boot a kernel for Asha 311, and if it has something resembling an UART then most probably I can launch a serial console (even with no pins existing outside the device, access to pins can be had by opening the case...)

Booting the new kernel is again no problem, with a bit of hacking and breaking the user security with any number of known faults, or in the ultimate case force-feeding the kernel loading via JTAG interface...

The problematic thing is the HW adaptation;
Because the device runs a totally different OS you do not have any useful drivers, binary blobs, knowledge on which registerers to twiddle to make it dance...
  • Impossible to have even a text console on the native screen, not to mention any kind of GUI
  • no access to wlan, BT, 2G/3G/4G modem
  • no access to DSME
  • ...nothing really


Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikiwide (Post 1461765)
I do not know anything about compiling operating system for a different hardware. I just heard that the reason for BB devices to not-run an alternative operating system is locked boot-loader - that's why that was my first question.

Having a locked bootloader is just a hindurance, it is not the main thing that prevents porting an OS to a device.

juiceme 2015-02-23 13:02

Re: How to run MeeGo on Asha series of phones?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1461776)
Not true.

Bada OS came on the (cheap and, for its time) phenomenal Samsung Wave smartphone. Its got a fully working port of Android. I think it was version 4.0.3

The HP TouchPad also got an Android port.

The O2 XDA TyTN II and TouchPRO got Android ports too. Version 2.1 or was it 2.3 ?

HTC HD2 was the last device and it came with Windows Mobile 6.
It got ports for WebOS. FirefoxOS. Android. MeeGo. Mer. Ubuntu Touch. Ubuntu. Windows Phone. Windows RT. Windows 10.

Now I wonder where did the HW adaptation pop up, hmm?
Might be something to do with the fact that in each case there was leaked information from manufacturer or employees who had developed the HW in the first place :D

nirasha_user 2015-02-23 15:45

Re: How to run MeeGo on Asha series of phones?
 
Thank you all for your replies and the discussion you got going, it's very helpful and informative. I'm glad I'm part of this active community.

According to Wikipedia it has 1GHz ARM 11 and it doesn't have 4G modem.

I strongly suspect it runs a highly stripped version of MeeGo. On Microsoft's meddling, it has been made hard to use, so that customers are goaded/cajoled to buy their higher priced mobile phones.

My previous phone N73 had much less hardware and it still has lot more convenient features.

kapu2 2015-02-23 16:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by nirasha_user (Post 1461795)
I strongly suspect it runs a highly stripped version of MeeGo. On Microsoft's meddling, it has been made hard to use, so that customers are goaded/cajoled to buy their higher priced mobile phones.

I'm afraid you're mistaken. The Asha phones run Symbian Series 40. The 311 has a touch opptimized UI but at its core it's old S40. Microsoft didn't have much involvement with Asha at the time the 311 was released.

nirasha_user 2015-02-23 16:27

Re: How to run MeeGo on Asha series of phones?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kapu2 (Post 1461796)
I'm afraid you're mistaken. The Asha phones run Symbian Series 40. The 311 has a touch opptimized UI but at its core it's old S40. Microsoft didn't have much involvement with Asha at the time the 311 was released.

That's wrong, they sent that IDIOT Stephen Elop who managed to sabotage it so that people will upgrade to Lumia.

There is no way to if it is Symbian, it could be MeeGo and they are calling it S40.

coderus 2015-02-23 16:47

Re: How to run MeeGo on Asha series of phones?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1461776)
Not true.

Bada OS came on the (cheap and, for its time) phenomenal Samsung Wave smartphone. Its got a fully working port of Android. I think it was version 4.0.3

The HP TouchPad also got an Android port.

The O2 XDA TyTN II and TouchPRO got Android ports too. Version 2.1 or was it 2.3 ?

HTC HD2 was the last device and it came with Windows Mobile 6.
It got ports for WebOS. FirefoxOS. Android. MeeGo. Mer. Ubuntu Touch. Ubuntu. Windows Phone. Windows RT. Windows 10.

talking about something you can still buy in market, okay?

nirasha_user 2015-02-23 16:52

Re: How to run MeeGo on Asha series of phones?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FlashInTheNight86 (Post 1461767)
nirasha_user, Ashas are inferior to smartphones produced 5 years ago, hardware-wise. It's not wise to waste your time on them.

I appreciate you well meaning advice but I don't see it as a waste, whatever I'll learn from my struggles on this will deepen my understanding of how computers, etc work.

Thanks


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